[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Let's not pander to picky eaters. Eight years old, you eat what you're given, within reason.

It's only pandering if you cave and provide something else. You eat what you're given *or nothing*, fine, but not "you eat it no matter what".

Forcing kids to eat food they don't like literally causes eating disorders. There's abundant evidence of this. Not that anyone cares I imagine, I know everyone's "opinion" trumps evidence these days.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's only pandering if you cave and provide something else. You eat what you're given *or nothing*, fine, but not "you eat it no matter what".

Forcing kids to eat food they don't like literally causes eating disorders. There's abundant evidence of this. Not that anyone cares I imagine, I know everyone's "opinion" trumps evidence these days.

My dad would say to me (when i baulked at eating say a tomato) "I was the same when I was wee but your palate changes as you get older and one day you will love tomatoes" and he was right. His message was ok, try it, if you dont like it today you will soon. He always ended it by saying - you need to eat vegetables though, that isnt an option. I love all veg now save the cucumber

[glib]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

My dad would say to me (when i baulked at eating say a tomato) "I was the same when I was wee but your palate changes as you get older and one day you will love tomatoes" and he was right. His message was ok, try it, if you dont like it today you will soon. He always ended it by saying - you need to eat vegetables though, that isnt an option. I love all veg now save the cucumber

Well said Leather, Cianna-Rae could do with reading this

[Beso]

Originally Posted by glib

Well said Leather, Cianna-Rae could do with reading this

He never said it.

[Beso]

I do remember sobbing into my dinner as a kid as I was forced to eat my veg.

[Crimson Dynamo]

mind you he told me id develop a taste for lager and whisky as i got older if i just percivered

thanks Dad

[Glenn.]

So force food down your kids necks even if they don’t like it, because one day they’ll love it!

Love that logic

[glib]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

So force food down your kids necks even if they don’t like it, because one day they’ll love it!

Love that logic

Or allow kids to go hungry, then go through life being picky, whilst kids in countries Harry has visited starve to death, longing for a cheese sandwich, with butter or not


First world problem.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by glib

Or allow kids to go hungry, then go through life being picky, whilst kids in countries Harry has visited starve to death, longing for a cheese sandwich, with butter or not


First world problem.

The opposite happens, kids who are forced to eat foods they properly dislike (I'm not talking just "don't fancy it that day" - I mean things they genuinely can't stomach) end up being much "easier on themselves" as adults when they can eat what they want. Kids who are ENCOURAGED - not forced - to be adventurous and try new things will continue to be adventurous and have a varied diet. Missing the occasional school lunch because there was nothing palatable on the menu will do far less damage than being forced to eat a dried out cheese sandwich from the bin.

Again this is all well researched and evidenced ... we actually KNOW these things without spaffing "in muh opinyonn" all over the place. You could look it up. You won't, but you could.

For some real world examples; I was never forced to eat veg as a kid, neither have my kids been. I eat loads of veg, so does my daughter (12). My wife on the other hand really struggles with veg, because her parents would literally heat up the veg from dinner the day before if she hadn't eaten it, and make her eat it for lunch the next day.

For a more extreme example - my dad (who is in his mid 60's, and grew up poor in Glasgow) similarly had the "clear your plate!" mantra forced on him through his childhood, and in adulthood NEVER ate veg. And I mean... I literally never remember him having veg with his dinner. This culminated last year in him being investigated for heart problems, had all sorts of scans and tests, they couldn't figure out what the hell was wrong with him. It turned out to be that he was so deficient in various vitamins/minerals that it was severely affecting his health. He started eating more fruit and veg and that was it. His well-meaning, penny-pinching parents set him up with an aversion to eating his veg that almost ended up killing him .

I know that's en extreme example, and anecdotal, but again it's well researched. Kids who are encouraged to TRY things and given the choice are more likely to grow up with varied diets than kids who grow up with a "you must" mandate on their plates ... who often rebel and stop eating those things as soon as they're in their own kitchen. It's not even hard to understand why. Common sense. As with all things parenting. The same reason kids who are given no freedom in their teens by parents worried about their safety actually end up at far MORE risk in early adulthood when they're thrown into the real world with no life experience.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The opposite happens, kids who are forced to eat foods they properly dislike (I'm not talking just "don't fancy it that day" - I mean things they genuinely can't stomach) end up being much "easier on themselves" as adults when they can eat what they want. Kids who are ENCOURAGED - not forced - to be adventurous and try new things will continue to be adventurous and have a varied diet. Missing the occasional school lunch because there was nothing palatable on the menu will do far less damage than being forced to eat a dried out cheese sandwich from the bin.

Again this is all well researched and evidenced ... we actually KNOW these things without spaffing "in muh opinyonn" all over the place. You could look it up. You won't, but you could.

For some real world examples; I was never forced to eat veg as a kid, neither have my kids been. I eat loads of veg, so does my daughter (12). My wife on the other hand really struggles with veg, because her parents would literally heat up the veg from dinner the day before if she hadn't eaten it, and make her eat it for lunch the next day.

For a more extreme example - my dad (who is in his mid 60's, and grew up poor in Glasgow) similarly had the "clear your plate!" mantra forced on him through his childhood, and in adulthood NEVER ate veg. And I mean... I literally never remember him having veg with his dinner. This culminated last year in him being investigated for heart problems, had all sorts of scans and tests, they couldn't figure out what the hell was wrong with him. It turned out to be that he was so deficient in various vitamins/minerals that it was severely affecting his health. He started eating more fruit and veg and that was it. His well-meaning, penny-pinching parents set him up with an aversion to eating his veg that almost ended up killing him .

I know that's en extreme example, and anecdotal, but again it's well researched. Kids who are encouraged to TRY things and given the choice are more likely to grow up with varied diets than kids who grow up with a "you must" mandate on their plates ... who often rebel and stop eating those things as soon as they're in their own kitchen. It's not even hard to understand why. Common sense. As with all things parenting. The same reason kids who are given no freedom in their teens by parents worried about their safety actually end up at far MORE risk in early adulthood when they're thrown into the real world with no life experience.

I love veg these days, almost as much as I love this post.

[glib]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The opposite happens, kids who are forced to eat foods they properly dislike (I'm not talking just "don't fancy it that day" - I mean things they genuinely can't stomach) end up being much "easier on themselves" as adults when they can eat what they want. Kids who are ENCOURAGED - not forced - to be adventurous and try new things will continue to be adventurous and have a varied diet. Missing the occasional school lunch because there was nothing palatable on the menu will do far less damage than being forced to eat a dried out cheese sandwich from the bin.

Again this is all well researched and evidenced ... we actually KNOW these things without spaffing "in muh opinyonn" all over the place. You could look it up. You won't, but you could.

For some real world examples; I was never forced to eat veg as a kid, neither have my kids been. I eat loads of veg, so does my daughter (12). My wife on the other hand really struggles with veg, because her parents would literally heat up the veg from dinner the day before if she hadn't eaten it, and make her eat it for lunch the next day.

For a more extreme example - my dad (who is in his mid 60's, and grew up poor in Glasgow) similarly had the "clear your plate!" mantra forced on him through his childhood, and in adulthood NEVER ate veg. And I mean... I literally never remember him having veg with his dinner. This culminated last year in him being investigated for heart problems, had all sorts of scans and tests, they couldn't figure out what the hell was wrong with him. It turned out to be that he was so deficient in various vitamins/minerals that it was severely affecting his health. He started eating more fruit and veg and that was it. His well-meaning, penny-pinching parents set him up with an aversion to eating his veg that almost ended up killing him .

I know that's en extreme example, and anecdotal, but again it's well researched. Kids who are encouraged to TRY things and given the choice are more likely to grow up with varied diets than kids who grow up with a "you must" mandate on their plates ... who often rebel and stop eating those things as soon as they're in their own kitchen. It's not even hard to understand why. Common sense. As with all things parenting. The same reason kids who are given no freedom in their teens by parents worried about their safety actually end up at far MORE risk in early adulthood when they're thrown into the real world with no life experience.

So you tell me it’s ‘all well researched’, then evidence this by telling me your wife doesn’t like eating veg.

I was forced as a child to eat everything on my plate. Now, I always clear my plate, whether I like it or not. If I don’t, which is extremely rare, I offer any leftovers to whoever I’m sat with.

I do NOT throw it in the bin and shout that it’s ‘tasteless’. There’s a difference between ‘not liking cheese sandwiches’ and being plain rude.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by glib

So you tell me it’s ‘all well researched’, then evidence this by telling me your wife doesn’t like eating veg.

I was forced as a child to eat everything on my plate. Now, I always clear my plate, whether I like it or not. If I don’t, which is extremely rare, I offer any leftovers to whoever I’m sat with.

I do NOT throw it in the bin and shout that it’s ‘tasteless’. There’s a difference between ‘not liking cheese sandwiches’ and being plain rude.

This girl was also forced to eat food as a child, unfortunately she was embarrassed in front of her peers..

Like dreaming about being on stage naked in a way..


You were lucky, like I was. That your abuse happened at home.

I'm surprised at your vitriol towards this child tbh, especially after your claim to have been forced to eat food as a kid.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by glib

So you tell me it’s ‘all well researched’, then evidence this by telling me your wife doesn’t like eating veg.

I told you to look it up if you're interested because A) I'm not your teacher and B) I know you aren't interested.

I was forced as a child to eat everything on my plate. Now, I always clear my plate, whether I like it or not.

Not particularly healthy eating habits but good for you, I guess. I eat a wide and varied diet, I eat until I'm full and then stop eating. Because we're not rationing and the "clear your plate" mantra encourages eating beyond the point of feeling full, which is not healthy.

I do NOT throw it in the bin and shout that it’s ‘tasteless’. There’s a difference between ‘not liking cheese sandwiches’ and being plain rude.

I think we can agree on it being rude to make a show of throwing away the food or declaring it "horrible" - in fact I've had lots of discussions with my daughter about not vocally criticising food that someone has made for her - but that doesn't mean having to eat it. It can be quietly put aside or binned. What's not clear from this story is if the girl loudly declared it tasteless rather than binning it quietly (yes, rude) and binned it and was then confronted - or if the dinner lady simply saw her bin it, confronted her, and then she said the reason.

If it's the first then the dinner lady should have a word with the kid's teacher about her attitude and the teacher can take it from there. If the latter then it's not rude at all, and the dinner lady doesn't need to do ANYTHING, except maybe keep an eye on her and see if she's throwing away her lunch every day, in which case again she should then have a word with the kid's class teacher as it could be a sign of a problem.

NEITHER is a good enough reason to publicly shame her and try to force her to eat food out of a bin. Really horrific attitude.

[Niamh.]

I do agree with most of your points TS, I only said she was rude and cheeky for the way she spoke about it, presumably in earshot of the person who made it, obviously what that person did in response was totally inappropriate