[Crimson Dynamo]

what is extreme about not wanting criminals to break into the UK and use all our resources and rob pensioners of their lives?

THIS COUNTRY IS FCKED UP ON THE LEFT

[joeysteele]

I have to smile in a sad way when the left get accused of the mess the UK finds itself

Since the war, the Cons have governed for 48+ years of the 78 years since the war.

In the last 50 years, the Cons have governed in strong right wing ways.
For over 31 years of those 50 years.

If anyone is failing and messing things up there is the more than likely answer.

Plus please no one ever try to tell me that Tony Blair was governing from the left either.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I have to smile in a sad way when the left get accused of the mess the UK finds itself

Since the war, the Cons have governed for 48+ years of the 78 years since the war.

In the last 50 years, the Cons have governed in strong right wing ways.
For over 31 years of those 50 years.

If anyone is failing and messing things up there is the more than likely answer.

Plus please no one ever try to tell me that Tony Blair was governing from the left either.

I swear it was within the last year that one of the Tories had the gall to mention the "mess they were left with" from the Labour government

It might even have been Rishi during PMQs, not sure.

[Oliver_W]

Our government could never.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Our government could never.

I thought the environment was your number one?

See how apathetic you really are? On culture war issues, you'll go for days, and that's exactly how manufactured culture wars are supposed to work. Riling folks up about stuff that doesn't affect their lives, to replace stuff that does matter.

Not a criticism of you, by the way, because we have most of this island acting in exactly the same way.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I thought the environment was your number one?

See how apathetic you really are? On culture war issues, you'll go for days, and that's exactly how manufactured culture wars are supposed to work. Riling folks up about stuff that doesn't affect their lives, to replace stuff that does matter.

Not a criticism of you, by the way, because we have most of this island acting in exactly the same way.

While I'm happy to admit I sometimes fall for the "Bread and Circuses", I don't think I go on for days I generally think both sides of the culture wars are idiotic.

And it's not that I'm apathetic, I don't give the bigger issues a whole lot of thought, apart from in general terms. I generically dislike big corporations and big governments, and I prioritse the environment above all else. But unless there's a specific issue or instance, I don't have a whole lot to say.
Locally, I've been part of and started several campaigns to protect green areas from "having their potential unlocked", and successfully at that! So I don't think it's fair to say I'm apathetic tbh

[bots]

Braverman is the most extremist home secretary we have ever had. No-one should ever treat her with anything other than contempt. There may be a strand or 2 of truth in what she says, but that is always the tactic extremists use to gain traction on their predominantly false arguments

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Braverman is the most extremist home secretary we have ever had. No-one should ever treat her with anything other than contempt. There may be a strand or 2 of truth in what she says, but that is always the tactic extremists use to gain traction on their predominantly false arguments

Full agreement from me to you on that as to Bravernan.
It says a lot about any voters who do support her discriminative, divisive extreme rhetoric too.
Awful just awful.

[Crimson Dynamo]

More people have come to Britain as immigrants since 1997 than came here between 1950
and the Battle of Hastings in 1066.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

More people have come to Britain as immigrants since 1997 than came here between 1950
and the Battle of Hastings in 1066.

There are more people in general now, and more ways to travel.