[Denver]

Originally Posted by Swan

So your research is based on about 6 women on a BB forum? As before the resurrection of BB, the forum had about 15 regular posters, with about half at best being women.

I thought so. That's really sound research right there.

There is a reason many left the forum

[Elliot]

100%. Very deliberate choice of wording by them

[Ray.]

Originally Posted by Elliot

100%. Very deliberate choice of wording by them

I notice that for a lot of viewers, housemates only suddenly become calculating and subtle when it also speaks badly of them lol. Any other time, they supposedly can't articulate themselves for toffee, but when it's in a light that speaks badly of them, suddenly they're men of letters.

[Beastie]

Chanelle just comes across as sneaky.

[Beastie]

They all could be a bit racist.

[William1066]

Originally Posted by Beastie

They all could be a bit racist.

Chanelle is a racist and a vindictive one at that. she was reminding the other housemates in her group that she forgives but doesnÂ’t forget. BB last night showed her on two occasions indirectly influencing the nominations for this week ensuring Trish is up again. SheÂ’s vile

[Denver]

Chanelle has more faces than the clock tower and everyone of them is miserable

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Denver

Chanelle has more faces than the clock tower and everyone of them is miserable

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Denver

Chanelle has more faces than the clock tower and everyone of them is miserable

[Northern Monkey]

I’m actually impressed that it’s taken this long for the non-existent racism accusations to come out. Sure it’s usually earlier than this from what I remember.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I’m actually impressed that it’s taken this long for the non-existent racism accusations to come out. Sure it’s usually earlier than this from what I remember.

the only racism I have seen is Dylan claiming the black housemates should have stuck together but that got a BIG PASS on here

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I’m actually impressed that it’s taken this long for the non-existent racism accusations to come out. Sure it’s usually earlier than this from what I remember.

I'm enjoying being back but I never liked these types of threads. They're never resolved and it's basically two sides pushing a hard view until it becomes a fractured mess. All that said, here I am anyway because coffee


On topic, I don't think it's impossible there's a racial stereotype playing out in to some of the commentary re: Trish, but where is the line where Trish could do with also do with some more humility in her depiction of other people's perspectives (ie not her own)?

She likes to "retell" the reactions of other people under a simpler narrative and I find that to be dogmatic and not conducive to building common ground with the other HMs. That's not to say she is "wrong". She can be very right in her general perspective at any point. But that skips empathy entirely and misses the boat on understanding where the views of others come from. After all she has confidence and obviously being outspoken she is testing her views, so she can still hit the nail on the head. It's just very easy to live by one's persona on an island of me with that mindset and that's just a common side effect of needing to constantly make one's POV known. It's much harder to do the other way and actually lean into other people's point of views, even if it's completely the opposite of what one actually believes.

Just a thought.

[vesavius]

Please don't make me defend the Gremlins.

I have seen no evidence of racism up untill now.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Please don't make me defend the Gremlins.

I have seen no evidence of racism up untill now.

[CocaColin]

I would say it's more unconscious bias hence why they're treating Noky, Yinrun & Trish a certain way.

But they can't even rub their 4 brain cells together to see Paul was the issue so there's no chance in hell they'll be able to reflect on how they are acting.

[Babayaro.]

A bit of a reach, this.

[Abra]

Tom labelling Trish as "aggressive" when she was actually very calm definitely felt like a typical dogwhistle that you often see being used against black women. Kerry, Olivia, Hallie can all scream and rant and rave but when Trish points out an uncomfortable truth she's "aggressive", always a double standard for black women.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Abra

Tom labelling Trish as "aggressive" when she was actually very calm definitely felt like a typical dogwhistle that you often see being used against black women. Kerry, Olivia, Hallie can all scream and rant and rave but when Trish points out an uncomfortable truth she's "aggressive", always a double standard for black women.

I don't think there is any overt racisum going on in the house, but covert is another issue and if there is an element of racism, I think this describes it perfectly.

[bots]

There hasn't been any racism that i have seen apart from Dylan's statement. Every interaction has been about personalities

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There hasn't been any racism that i have seen apart from Dylan's statement. Every interaction has been about personalities

That said they are all aware of the current climate and are being ultra cautious in what they say ..

Actions though can be more telling


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[DrunkerThanMoses]

I didnt know they allowed Trish access to post on this forum

No trish, they just dont like you because you are annoying

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses

I didnt know they allowed Trish access to post on this forum

No trish, they just dont like you because you are annoying

tbf to Trish she hasn't accused them of being racist (unless I missed something?)

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

tbf to Trish she hasn't accused them of being racist (unless I missed something?)

She has not. BB has always been about putting different people, from all the other country, and some times different walks of life, in what is essentially a pressure cooker. HM's are bound to clash, argue, and form groups. This is human nature.

However, as per, society is absolutely desperate to find racism in everything nowadays. What happened to not judging people on the colour of their skin? We're all equal, just because someone doesn't like a black person (who is not black themselves), it doesn't mean they're racist for christsake.

Anyway, the most important thing here to remember is that neither Trish, nor Noky has ever claimed racism in the house. Seems social media and the desperate knights in shinning amour on here and elsewhere conveniently dismiss that.

The only time race was brought up was when Dylan made that insulting black on black crime to Trish, and because she's easily the most level headed, and strongest character in the house, she shot him down immediately, and called him out on what a pathetic comment it was.

[GlitterUK]

Trish's friend has mentioned racism and she has written to the producers she stated on twitter. Unless it is just creating more hype around Trish to push her to the win?

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by GlitterUK

Trish's friend has mentioned racism and she has written to the producers she stated on twitter. Unless it is just creating more hype around Trish to push her to the win?

I honestly think it’s this. I like Trish (and dislike the gremlins) but I can’t see any evidence of racism towards her. Her friend would know as much as us as we all watch the same highlights/live feed.

This could could lead to a back lash on Trish without Trish actually doing anything wrong if her friend isn’t careful.