[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Great post Joey, pure lunancy by the sitting MP...has he been jailed?

No Cherie.
His original sentence was 10 weeks custodial and he was taken to prison.
However he appealed and the 10 week sentence was then suspended for 2 years.
I just find it all extremely wrong.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No Cherie.
His original sentence was 10 weeks custodial and he was taken to prison.
However he appealed and the 10 week sentence was then suspended for 2 years.
I just find it all extremely wrong.

My God, and that women who put a tweet up and then deleted it was jailed for 32 months... the world has gone crazy

[bots]

one would hope that the candidate from whatever party wins the election will be a step up from this asshole

[arista]

Ch5HDnews was in Runcorn

The Fish and Chip Shop Owner (near the fight)
is angry with the New Labour Party's Income Taxes.

He would not say who he will vote for, yet.

[arista]

The Voting

Labour has Forced a Full Recount

Claims it was within Reform UK won by four votes

SkyNewsHD
LBC Live
GBnewsHD Live


PM Starmer never came to this place

[arista]

They have done the Recount.

But no one has leaked it.

[arista]

Nigel Farage Live


Taking Labours Seat,


The announcement
still to come.

[arista]

Live Result Now


Labour Lost it

[arista]

Sarah Pochin Reform UK 12,645

Karon Stone Labour 12,639

[arista]

Sarah Pochin MP Reform UK
A nice well spoken lady

Reform UK, back to 5 MP's

[arista]

New MP Sarah
Live on GMBHD itv.

[joeysteele]

I'm really glad I wasn't counting in this one.

I personally think Labour fortunate to have lost it by only 6 votes.
I said Labour deserved to lose this seat and I really thought with the reason this by- election was created.
That it would be lost more easily.

It gave me no real pleasure to see Reform win this, it will never be a Party I could or would want to support.
However they do warrant congratulations for their success in these elections.
Not just in this by-election but across the board because unfortunately for me personally, they do now really look like the opposition to Labour.
As opposed to the Conservatives where Badenoch is failing badly and really only fuelling the division on big issues by moving closer and closer to Reform on some issues.
The danger with that is, then voters will think, well Reform.must be right so will them just go over to Reform.

This by-election win is some achievement by Reform.
It really is as is in some of the Mayoral elections results too.

Now this government cannot in 3 to 4 years be seen to be failing, because this judgement on them after less than a year, will be then far worse and by Reform, not the Conservatives.

[arista]

[I personally think Labour fortunate to have lost it by only 6 votes.]


Sure Joey.
Sadly, that Former Labour MP was a Pathetic Thug.

Massive Number Majority
Reform UK beat.

[arista]

Also Joey

Nigel was on GMBHD itv

He said if your alarm clock
goes off at 5AM
and you go off to a Building Site, working hard &
get home to find YOUR TAXES
are paying for an Illegal Migrant
now living in flats? for Free


Now Joey that is Shocking.....................

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Also Joey

Nigel was on GMBHD itv

He said if your alarm clock
goes off at 5AM
and you go off to a Building Site, working hard &
get home to find YOUR TAXES
are paying for an Illegal Migrant
now living in flats? for Free


Now Joey that is Shocking.....................

I'm not going to join in immigrant bashing.
Sorry.

Government policy even moreso over the previous 14 years and over 4 ELECTIONS and 5: different Conservative PMs is the bigger problem as to that issue.
Maybe in 3 to 4 years this lot will have failed miserably too.
Who knows.
Then they will fall too if there is only failure.

However to me, immigrants are human beings too, which some supporters of Reform don't see them as human beings but just undesirable totals of numbers.
I was brought up to respect others.
That includes for me, those of other Countries and cultures.
I'm not prejudiced at all.
If anything I'm prejudiced against prejudice and more against people who hold prejudice against others.

Compassion not hate fuelling is the way for me, not creating suspicion, distrust and stirring up prejudice.

[arista]

[I'm not going to join in immigrant bashing.
Sorry.]


This is your downfall, Joey
they are not immigrants.

They are Illlegal Migrants
just arrived and given a Free Flat Home

Paid for by us Tax Payers



Immigrant Legit Workers
are a Great Help for the UK

Even Nigel Farage knows that.

[arista]

Joey we know Illegal Migrants are Humans


But Why are Labour
using our taxes to house them for FREE


That's why Votes are Changing

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Joey we know Illegal Migrants are Humans


But Why are Labour
using our taxes to house them for FREE


That's why Votes are Changing

I stated In not going to join in immigrant bashing.

Why were the Conservatives too then.
Yet they won or led in 4 elections in a row.
The figures rocketed under them.
Where was your criticism then when championing the Cons.

It is wrong and it shouldn't be the case, that's the only thing I can agree on.
However they're NOT just numbers, they ARE human beings too.
I've talked to Reform supporters especially during the election last year.
(Not this year as I refused my time to canvsssing for Labour at present).
However I've had directly Reform supporters say the more that drown in the crossings is a good outcome.
REALLY!!!

Plus had other Reform supporters say immigrants are not seen as people or human by them.
REALLY!!

No way would I want my name alongside those supporters not any that thought that way either.
I repeat I'm prejudiced against prejudice and people who hold prejudice only.
So I'll never join the immigration bashing bandwagon.
Which sadly is in evidence via Reform.

[arista]

"immigrant bashing"

We are talking about illegal migrants
just arrived.


Immigrant Legit workers are fine

[arista]

You have talked to some Reform Voters
is what you need to say.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

You have talked to some Reform Voters
is what you need to say.

No
The Reform supporters I've spoken to hold those views.

Now whether that's their own view or what's being planted in their brain by the Reform Party is another matter.
Immigration, or anti immigration is like a mantra to them.

The only abuse we got in the election campaign last year was from Reform canvassers and supporters.
We were called anti British, immigrant lovers, ( not just as illegal migrants either).
Plus even called traitors to the British people.
Which is why I tried to speak with them.
So don't lecture me on the thinking, or real thinking of those supporting Reform.
ANTI immigration is the real only mantra they chant.

Now I had no intention of getting into this debate today because Reform are having their day, for now.
So well done to them on their success as much as I wish it wasn't the case.
I intended to only comment on the results.

My disappointment is too with the Conservatives, under Badenoch she is more encouraging and enabling Reform more than diminishing its profile.
That's sad because I don't want to see the demise of the Cons at all
Yet under Badenoch that will continue.
After today she will not be able to claim that under her, the Conservatives are a real strong opposition to Labour.
Despite how atrocious Labour are acting at this present time.
I've lots of friends in the Conservative Party and I feel really sad for them.

My strong anger too is to the LibDems and the Greens.
Because absolutely Labour with that despicable MP, deserved to lose the by-election and were 90% responsible for Reform able to capitalise and win that seat.
It doesn't matter if it's by 6 votes or 600 votes, it is a spectacular success for Reform on the night and congratulations again to them.

However the LibDems and Greens claim that Reform needs to be stopped.
Yet they both stood in the by-election knowing they hadn't a cat in hell's chance of doing remotely well there.
They took over 3,000 votes there between them.
So much for them really wanting Reform stopped then.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No
The Reform supporters I've spoken to hold those views.

Now whether that's their own view or what's being planted in their brain by the Reform Party is another matter.
Immigration, or anti immigration is like a mantra to them.

The only abuse we got in the election campaign last year was from Reform canvassers and supporters.
We were called anti British, immigrant lovers, ( not just as illegal migrants either).
Plus even called traitors to the British people.
Which is why I tried to speak with them.
So don't lecture me on the thinking, or real thinking of those supporting Reform.
ANTI immigration is the real only mantra they chant.

Now I had no intention of getting into this debate today because Reform are having their day, for now.
So well done to them on their success as much as I wish it wasn't the case.
I intended to only comment on the results.

My disappointment is too with the Conservatives, under Badenoch she is more encouraging and enabling Reform more than diminishing its profile.
That's sad because I don't want to see the demise of the Cons at all
Yet under Badenoch that will continue.
After today she will not be able to claim that under her, the Conservatives are a real strong opposition to Labour.
Despite how atrocious Labour are acting at this present time.
I've lots of friends in the Conservative Party and I feel really sad for them.

My strong anger too is to the LibDems and the Greens.
Because absolutely Labour with that despicable MP, deserved to lose the by-election and were 90% responsible for Reform able to capitalise and win that seat.
It doesn't matter if it's by 6 votes or 600 votes, it is a spectacular success for Reform on the night and congratulations again to them.

However the LibDems and Greens claim that Reform needs to be stopped.
Yet they both stood in the by-election knowing they hadn't a cat in hell's chance of doing remotely well there.
They took over 3,000 votes there between them.
So much for them really wanting Reform stopped then.

A million people legally last year alone. Ten thousand illegals in the first four months of this year alone. People will not put up with it, it's gone too far. If the Conservatives and/or Labour had done what they promised to do, or even looked like they intended to do something, people would not have been compelled to vote Reform.

You are not my only Labour supporting friend, Joey, and I feel for you because the Labour supporters I know are genuine and feel like Labour is the only choice for our country. But I feel like Labour has let its supporters down. In my opinion, had they done something - anything - positive in their first months in power things might have been different. But instead they've alienated people with Rachel Reeves' disastrous fiscal policy, Illegal migrants, the Farmers, the pensioners... it feels like they're lurching from one bad decision to another.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

A million people legally last year alone. Ten thousand illegals in the first four months of this year alone. People will not put up with it, it's gone too far. If the Conservatives and/or Labour had done what they promised to do, or even looked like they intended to do something, people would not have been compelled to vote Reform.

You are not my only Labour supporting friend, Joey, and I feel for you because the Labour supporters I know are genuine and feel like Labour is the only choice for our country. But I feel like Labour has let its supporters down. In my opinion, had they done something - anything - positive in their first months in power things might have been different. But instead they've alienated people with Rachel Reeves' disastrous fiscal policy, Illegal migrants, the Farmers, the pensioners... it feels like they're lurching from one bad decision to another.

I didn't want to engage in an immigration issue.
I accept people have got sick of seemingly nothing being really done.
Im not, despite my fury at Starmer and his Cabinet, going to judge them just yet.
Although I concede both the Blair/Brown led government failed on the issue
However so have the 5 different Conservative PMs over 14 years when things got even worse.
I HOPE, and it's perhaps a furlong hope that this lot can turn it around.
However whether they can do so by enough before an election in 2029.
The jury is out on that one
I just hate and detest the rhetoric of Reform on immigration.
Now that's my position and my perspective..
I see them legal or illegal as still human beings.
However that's where I am and why I couldn't support the more prejudicial stance from Reform.

To your second paragraph however, I can agree with that all through.
Apart from the Farmers, I've not a scrap of sympathy for them I'm afraid,not on the inheritance tax issue.

Your report card on the coming up to this first year of this government, is however spot on, no real disagreement from me with you there
You and I have discussed, very strongly at times, many things re politics.
I honestly now am so disillusioned with politics after it almost being a major part of my life.
Whether I may end up staying with Labour or looking elsewhere over the next 2 to 3 years is definitely all on the table now.
I am absolutely livid with this Labour government and Starmer.
The Conservatives under Badenoch are also disastrous at present.
The LibDems haven't impressed at all either.
The Greens are way too cranky on policies for me and hypocritical too .
I fear my disillusionment with where voters and the UK will now end up, is going to increase even further.

[MTVN]

Not sure it inspires too much confidence that the recount showed they had been out by two votes, what if it was different again on another recount

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not sure it inspires too much confidence that the recount showed they had been out by two votes, what if it was different again on another recount

Yes,
Labour got bad info.

Delaying it for the 6AM onwards Live News (All of them)
would help Reform UK