[arista]

Yes Vanessa
you are our great tibb
hard worker.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I say let them have a go. I can't remember the last time Reform was in charge. Has that ever happened?

They didn't exist before 2021, so no. It isn't a real party. But with the way things are going, they probably will get to "have a go". Spoiler: it will be a complete disaster.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Blah blah...

I suppose this is an expected response if you have no actual thoughts beyond reactionary whinging.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

To be replaced by who? Reform? Even if you believe in their "policies", it's a gaggle of beer sozzled old pub rats posing as career politicians; they have absolutely no idea what they're doing, and that would be evident for YEARS if they got in. The alternative would be them being stacked with defecting MP's from Tories and Labour in which case, same-old-same-old, what's the actual difference?

Oh how I hope not.
I'd rather have pre Theresa May Cons back than narcissistic Farage and his more like from the 1930s divisively destructive gang.
So despite my now ever growing dismay at what the current Labour government is doing at this present time anyhow.
I'll wait to see what is the situation in 3 to 4 years time.
Little of the shambolic mess left by the last government could ever have been turned around in only months

I hope Reform NEVER EVER get into power and particularly never get their hands on the NHS either.
With their ideas on that.
The only mantra constantly spouted out from Farage's Reform is that those of other Countries and cultures are the biggest reason for the UK's woes

Not the fact that capitalist governance was in place right up to WW2
Then in place for nearly 50 of the 80 years almost since the end of the war.
With a 13 year unbroken run in the 50s/60s.
Then an 18 year run from 1979 to 1997.

Then again from 2010 to 2024.
Yet look at the chaos that's been left.

The very last solution to that should be to turn to an even harder line of capitalism from Farage and his now possibly even more PREJUDICIAL (UKIP MK3) Reform lot.
Who only seem to want to create and build up suspicion, distrust and even hate against people of other Countries and cultures.

[bots]

politics is evolving. People will look back at the labour government and will say, this isn't for me. They will likely look at every political party and think the same. Musk is going to influence the next election by throwing cash at his preferred candidate. It wouldn't surprise me if Farage is thrown to the wolves and a new face/party pops up

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by bots

politics is evolving. People will look back at the labour government and will say, this isn't for me. They will likely look at every political party and think the same. Musk is going to influence the next election by throwing cash at his preferred candidate. It wouldn't surprise me if Farage is thrown to the wolves and a new face/party pops up

It's the targeting pensioners and disabled that gets my back up. While they spend so much money on wars and illegal immigrants.
The legal immigrants in this country all work hard. I've seen it in my workplace. They're all very hard working and I always admire someone who makes their own money.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

It's the targeting pensioners and disabled that gets my back up. While they spend so much money on wars and illegal immigrants.
The legal immigrants in this country all work hard. I've seen it in my workplace. They're all very hard working and I always admire someone who makes their own money.

Unfortunately until an Asylum Seeker is given settled status they can't work and the government seem very happy not to get on with assessments and keep them holed up in hotels year in year out, massive backhanders from hotel chains are the issue I think, its not in their interest to lose the golden calf

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Unfortunately until an Asylum Seeker is given settled status they can't work and the government seem very happy not to get on with assessments and keep them holed up in hotels year in year out, massive backhanders from hotel chains are the issue I think, its not in their interest to lose the golden calf

But that's where a lot of money is going. Why do they have to stay in the best hotels and get everything for free? While we struggle

[bots]

there would be uproar if asylum seekers/illegals were taking jobs from uk people. There would be uproar if they were taking our housing. If they arrive without documentation, which is very common because they dump it before they arrive, then we have to investigate and prove the country they came from in order to send them back and that can be a very long process. Those are the facts

[thesheriff443]

Why do you think those jail sentences were so long?
It’s to keep people off the streets demanding change

People should be out on the streets because the money is going to everyone except the people it should go too

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bots

there would be uproar if asylum seekers/illegals were taking jobs from uk people. There would be uproar if they were taking our housing. If they arrive without documentation, which is very common because they dump it before they arrive, then we have to investigate and prove the country they came from in order to send them back and that can be a very long process. Those are the facts

I dont think there would be uproar? Nobody complains about been treated by a doctor from India or Pakistan, or if your deliveroo driver is from Nigeria, or your food is cooked by an Irish person, if they can afford to rent or buy a property again where is the issue, the uproar only happens if they jump the social housing wait list... Labour said they were going to stop using hotels, they have been in government long enough now to have come up with an alternative plan for accommodation, during covid field hospitals were built over night literally.... get them out of hotels and stop lining the pockets of hoteliers

[Quantum Boy]

On the one hand, it would be sensible for there to be purpose-built temporary accommodation and it would ultimately be cheaper. In practice it's difficult to create something like that and not inadvertently create a concentration camp.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

On the one hand, it would be sensible for there to be purpose-built temporary accommodation and it would ultimately be cheaper. In practice it's difficult to create something like that and not inadvertently create a concentration camp.

In my home town in Ireland they built units for Ukranians, student accommodation is not referred to as concentration camps, Army barracks, there are plenty examples of accommodation that could be used as a template, if they did that of course they wouldn't be helping out their mates and who is going to use their hotels once the asylum seekers leave...

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

In my home town in Ireland they built units for Ukranians, student accommodation is not referred to as concentration camps, Army barracks, there are plenty examples of accommodation that could be used as a template, if they did that of course they wouldn't be helping out their mates and who is going to use their hotels once the asylum seekers leave...

I mean the first bit on bold says it all really - custom-built units for Ukrainian asylum seekers, but it isn't even being looked at for "other" asylum seekers. The difference in attitude towards refugees from war-torn Eastern Europe vs war-torn Middle East or Africa is certainly stark, but another discussion entirely, I suppose.

2nd B.I.B - you have a point there - the economy is trash, costs are rising and in most areas demand is decreasing. There are a fair number that probably need the govt. cash to stay viable at all... they won't become active hotels, they'll be sold and converted to apartments with ridiculous rent rates or torn down . Which has nothing to do with immigration, no matter how hard Reform-types would like to blame absolutely everything on that.

[Livia]

There are plenty of disused army camps but they're not good enough for the illegals. They're good enough for our troops, but not illegal migrants. We're like second class citizens in our own country. Everyone who stands on the side of the road with "migrants welcome here" placards should be forced to house at least two.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Livia

There are plenty of disused army camps but they're not good enough for the illegals. They're good enough for our troops, but not illegal migrants. We're like second class citizens in our own country. Everyone who stands on the side of the road with "migrants welcome here" placards should be forced to house at least two.

Yes. Why do they have to stay at the best hotels and have everything handed to them? No wonder they don't want to work even if their application is accepted.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Yes. Why do they have to stay at the best hotels and have everything handed to them? No wonder they don't want to work even if their application is accepted.

And all the time our homeless are ignored by politicians and the woke left. It encourages these people to come here, luxury accommodation, free phone, clothes, medical and dental, trips out to the places like Old Trafford, music events and the cricket. Meanwhile a homeless man I spoke to in Peterborough was denied help by Peterborough Council, who've housed thousands of immigrants in social housing in front of locals, because they said he had no ties to the area. He was born in Peterborough, but apparently that wasn't enough of a tie, so he sleeps in shop doorways.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Livia

And all the time our homeless are ignored by politicians and the woke left. It encourages these people to come here, luxury accommodation, free phone, clothes, medical and dental, trips out to the places like Old Trafford, music events and the cricket. Meanwhile a homeless man I spoke to in Peterborough was denied help by Peterborough Council, who've housed thousands of immigrants in social housing in front of locals, because they said he had no ties to the area. He was born in Peterborough, but apparently that wasn't enough of a tie, so he sleeps in shop doorways.

There's always social housing for illegal immigrants, but none for the British.
It's outrageous!

[Quantum Boy]

The misinformation in this thread is honestly staggering. I'm not even going to bother.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I mean the first bit on bold says it all really - custom-built units for Ukrainian asylum seekers, but it isn't even being looked at for "other" asylum seekers. The difference in attitude towards refugees from war-torn Eastern Europe vs war-torn Middle East or Africa is certainly stark, but another discussion entirely, I suppose.

2nd B.I.B - you have a point there - the economy is trash, costs are rising and in most areas demand is decreasing. There are a fair number that probably need the govt. cash to stay viable at all... they won't become active hotels, they'll be sold and converted to apartments with ridiculous rent rates or torn down . Which has nothing to do with immigration, no matter how hard Reform-types would like to blame absolutely everything on that.

Your second paragraph is extremely strong
It's really worrying however that immigration is lumped into one big bag of the thing to blame for the UKs problems.

Immaterial of the make up of immigration.

Blame all others from other Countries and cultures for the problems we have.
Stop them coming say Reform.
Honestly more and more, the more like MANTRA now spouted from the heavily divisive Reform is like something of the rhetoric from the depressing 1930s.

A lot needs to be done as to, even if it's possible, to get the UK really moving again.
Admittedly many issues needs to be addressed.

Frankly ( just my opinion), the heartless more cold and prejudicial firing out at all as to immigration that THEY should be seen as the biggest issue and therefore seen as suspect, distrusted and acted against.
I find both sad and depressing.
I've no time at all for the divisive Reform lot at all with their endless blaming of immigration at every opportunity on near every negative issues in the UK topic.

In the end any problem is turned into by Reform, to only lump all together and blame immigration.
It's like a kind of programming.
In my view.
Controversial my view may very well be but there it is anyhow.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Your second paragraph is extremely strong
It's really worrying however that immigration is lumped into one big bag of the thing to blame for the UKs problems.

Immaterial of the make up of immigration.

Blame all others from other Countries and cultures for the problems we have.
Stop them coming say Reform.
Honestly more and more, the more like MANTRA now spouted from the heavily divisive Reform is like something of the rhetoric from the depressing 1930s.

A lot needs to be done as to, even if it's possible, to get the UK really moving again.
Admittedly many issues needs to be addressed.

Frankly ( just my opinion), the heartless more cold and prejudicial firing out at all as to immigration that THEY should be seen as the biggest issue and therefore seen as suspect, distrusted and acted against.
I find both sad and depressing.
I've no time at all for the divisive Reform lot at all with their endless blaming of immigration at every opportunity on near every negative issues in the UK topic.

In the end any problem is turned into by Reform, to only lump all together and blame immigration.
It's like a kind of programming.
In my view.
Controversial my view may very well be but there it is anyhow.

I think if you're here seeking asylum and you don't have a valid reason you should be sent back.
Too many come here only for the benefits.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

In my home town in Ireland they built units for Ukranians, student accommodation is not referred to as concentration camps, Army barracks, there are plenty examples of accommodation that could be used as a template, if they did that of course they wouldn't be helping out their mates and who is going to use their hotels once the asylum seekers leave...

Yes, good move
that's the way to go.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Your second paragraph is extremely strong
It's really worrying however that immigration is lumped into one big bag of the thing to blame for the UKs problems.

Immaterial of the make up of immigration.

Blame all others from other Countries and cultures for the problems we have.
Stop them coming say Reform.
Honestly more and more, the more like MANTRA now spouted from the heavily divisive Reform is like something of the rhetoric from the depressing 1930s.

A lot needs to be done as to, even if it's possible, to get the UK really moving again.
Admittedly many issues needs to be addressed.


Frankly ( just my opinion), the heartless more cold and prejudicial firing out at all as to immigration that THEY should be seen as the biggest issue and therefore seen as suspect, distrusted and acted against.
I find both sad and depressing.
I've no time at all for the divisive Reform lot at all with their endless blaming of immigration at every opportunity on near every negative issues in the UK topic.

In the end any problem is turned into by Reform, to only lump all together and blame immigration.
It's like a kind of programming.
In my view.
Controversial my view may very well be but there it is anyhow.

Sorry Joey, but if the black hole can be fixed off the backs of pensioners and the disabled I think maybe the Asylum seekers should shoulder some of the burden too? No point shouldering the rich or the non doms with such trivialites ....the country is actually ****ed when we are asking the vulnerable to shoulder the debt crisis and not address the elephant in the room, putting Asylum Seekers up in hotels costs 5.6 million per day, 2 billion a year...not chump change by any stretch, they need to house them elsewhere.....Labour did come into power on a ticket of no longer using hotels? am I wrong , I dont think its right to immediately head to Reform either, I dont vote Reform and dont intend to, infact I spoiled my last vote because I am sick and tired of being called this and that for wanting a quality of life for me and my kids, apparently that is not allowed

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I think if you're here seeking asylum and you don't have a valid reason you should be sent back.
Too many come here only for the benefits.

Valid Points,
Labour is not changing that.

[bots]

the rules for accepting asylum seekers are defined in stone by international law. The UK doesn't make the rules