[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by bots

politics is evolving. People will look back at the labour government and will say, this isn't for me. They will likely look at every political party and think the same. Musk is going to influence the next election by throwing cash at his preferred candidate. It wouldn't surprise me if Farage is thrown to the wolves and a new face/party pops up

It's the targeting pensioners and disabled that gets my back up. While they spend so much money on wars and illegal immigrants.
The legal immigrants in this country all work hard. I've seen it in my workplace. They're all very hard working and I always admire someone who makes their own money.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

It's the targeting pensioners and disabled that gets my back up. While they spend so much money on wars and illegal immigrants.
The legal immigrants in this country all work hard. I've seen it in my workplace. They're all very hard working and I always admire someone who makes their own money.

Unfortunately until an Asylum Seeker is given settled status they can't work and the government seem very happy not to get on with assessments and keep them holed up in hotels year in year out, massive backhanders from hotel chains are the issue I think, its not in their interest to lose the golden calf

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Unfortunately until an Asylum Seeker is given settled status they can't work and the government seem very happy not to get on with assessments and keep them holed up in hotels year in year out, massive backhanders from hotel chains are the issue I think, its not in their interest to lose the golden calf

But that's where a lot of money is going. Why do they have to stay in the best hotels and get everything for free? While we struggle

[bots]

there would be uproar if asylum seekers/illegals were taking jobs from uk people. There would be uproar if they were taking our housing. If they arrive without documentation, which is very common because they dump it before they arrive, then we have to investigate and prove the country they came from in order to send them back and that can be a very long process. Those are the facts

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bots

there would be uproar if asylum seekers/illegals were taking jobs from uk people. There would be uproar if they were taking our housing. If they arrive without documentation, which is very common because they dump it before they arrive, then we have to investigate and prove the country they came from in order to send them back and that can be a very long process. Those are the facts

I dont think there would be uproar? Nobody complains about been treated by a doctor from India or Pakistan, or if your deliveroo driver is from Nigeria, or your food is cooked by an Irish person, if they can afford to rent or buy a property again where is the issue, the uproar only happens if they jump the social housing wait list... Labour said they were going to stop using hotels, they have been in government long enough now to have come up with an alternative plan for accommodation, during covid field hospitals were built over night literally.... get them out of hotels and stop lining the pockets of hoteliers

[thesheriff443]

Why do you think those jail sentences were so long?
It’s to keep people off the streets demanding change

People should be out on the streets because the money is going to everyone except the people it should go too

[user104658]

On the one hand, it would be sensible for there to be purpose-built temporary accommodation and it would ultimately be cheaper. In practice it's difficult to create something like that and not inadvertently create a concentration camp.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

On the one hand, it would be sensible for there to be purpose-built temporary accommodation and it would ultimately be cheaper. In practice it's difficult to create something like that and not inadvertently create a concentration camp.

In my home town in Ireland they built units for Ukranians, student accommodation is not referred to as concentration camps, Army barracks, there are plenty examples of accommodation that could be used as a template, if they did that of course they wouldn't be helping out their mates and who is going to use their hotels once the asylum seekers leave...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

In my home town in Ireland they built units for Ukranians, student accommodation is not referred to as concentration camps, Army barracks, there are plenty examples of accommodation that could be used as a template, if they did that of course they wouldn't be helping out their mates and who is going to use their hotels once the asylum seekers leave...

I mean the first bit on bold says it all really - custom-built units for Ukrainian asylum seekers, but it isn't even being looked at for "other" asylum seekers. The difference in attitude towards refugees from war-torn Eastern Europe vs war-torn Middle East or Africa is certainly stark, but another discussion entirely, I suppose.

2nd B.I.B - you have a point there - the economy is trash, costs are rising and in most areas demand is decreasing. There are a fair number that probably need the govt. cash to stay viable at all... they won't become active hotels, they'll be sold and converted to apartments with ridiculous rent rates or torn down . Which has nothing to do with immigration, no matter how hard Reform-types would like to blame absolutely everything on that.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I mean the first bit on bold says it all really - custom-built units for Ukrainian asylum seekers, but it isn't even being looked at for "other" asylum seekers. The difference in attitude towards refugees from war-torn Eastern Europe vs war-torn Middle East or Africa is certainly stark, but another discussion entirely, I suppose.

2nd B.I.B - you have a point there - the economy is trash, costs are rising and in most areas demand is decreasing. There are a fair number that probably need the govt. cash to stay viable at all... they won't become active hotels, they'll be sold and converted to apartments with ridiculous rent rates or torn down . Which has nothing to do with immigration, no matter how hard Reform-types would like to blame absolutely everything on that.

Your second paragraph is extremely strong
It's really worrying however that immigration is lumped into one big bag of the thing to blame for the UKs problems.

Immaterial of the make up of immigration.

Blame all others from other Countries and cultures for the problems we have.
Stop them coming say Reform.
Honestly more and more, the more like MANTRA now spouted from the heavily divisive Reform is like something of the rhetoric from the depressing 1930s.

A lot needs to be done as to, even if it's possible, to get the UK really moving again.
Admittedly many issues needs to be addressed.

Frankly ( just my opinion), the heartless more cold and prejudicial firing out at all as to immigration that THEY should be seen as the biggest issue and therefore seen as suspect, distrusted and acted against.
I find both sad and depressing.
I've no time at all for the divisive Reform lot at all with their endless blaming of immigration at every opportunity on near every negative issues in the UK topic.

In the end any problem is turned into by Reform, to only lump all together and blame immigration.
It's like a kind of programming.
In my view.
Controversial my view may very well be but there it is anyhow.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Your second paragraph is extremely strong
It's really worrying however that immigration is lumped into one big bag of the thing to blame for the UKs problems.

Immaterial of the make up of immigration.

Blame all others from other Countries and cultures for the problems we have.
Stop them coming say Reform.
Honestly more and more, the more like MANTRA now spouted from the heavily divisive Reform is like something of the rhetoric from the depressing 1930s.

A lot needs to be done as to, even if it's possible, to get the UK really moving again.
Admittedly many issues needs to be addressed.

Frankly ( just my opinion), the heartless more cold and prejudicial firing out at all as to immigration that THEY should be seen as the biggest issue and therefore seen as suspect, distrusted and acted against.
I find both sad and depressing.
I've no time at all for the divisive Reform lot at all with their endless blaming of immigration at every opportunity on near every negative issues in the UK topic.

In the end any problem is turned into by Reform, to only lump all together and blame immigration.
It's like a kind of programming.
In my view.
Controversial my view may very well be but there it is anyhow.

I think if you're here seeking asylum and you don't have a valid reason you should be sent back.
Too many come here only for the benefits.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Your second paragraph is extremely strong
It's really worrying however that immigration is lumped into one big bag of the thing to blame for the UKs problems.

Immaterial of the make up of immigration.

Blame all others from other Countries and cultures for the problems we have.
Stop them coming say Reform.
Honestly more and more, the more like MANTRA now spouted from the heavily divisive Reform is like something of the rhetoric from the depressing 1930s.

A lot needs to be done as to, even if it's possible, to get the UK really moving again.
Admittedly many issues needs to be addressed.


Frankly ( just my opinion), the heartless more cold and prejudicial firing out at all as to immigration that THEY should be seen as the biggest issue and therefore seen as suspect, distrusted and acted against.
I find both sad and depressing.
I've no time at all for the divisive Reform lot at all with their endless blaming of immigration at every opportunity on near every negative issues in the UK topic.

In the end any problem is turned into by Reform, to only lump all together and blame immigration.
It's like a kind of programming.
In my view.
Controversial my view may very well be but there it is anyhow.

Sorry Joey, but if the black hole can be fixed off the backs of pensioners and the disabled I think maybe the Asylum seekers should shoulder some of the burden too? No point shouldering the rich or the non doms with such trivialites ....the country is actually ****ed when we are asking the vulnerable to shoulder the debt crisis and not address the elephant in the room, putting Asylum Seekers up in hotels costs 5.6 million per day, 2 billion a year...not chump change by any stretch, they need to house them elsewhere.....Labour did come into power on a ticket of no longer using hotels? am I wrong , I dont think its right to immediately head to Reform either, I dont vote Reform and dont intend to, infact I spoiled my last vote because I am sick and tired of being called this and that for wanting a quality of life for me and my kids, apparently that is not allowed

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

In my home town in Ireland they built units for Ukranians, student accommodation is not referred to as concentration camps, Army barracks, there are plenty examples of accommodation that could be used as a template, if they did that of course they wouldn't be helping out their mates and who is going to use their hotels once the asylum seekers leave...

Yes, good move
that's the way to go.

[Livia]

There are plenty of disused army camps but they're not good enough for the illegals. They're good enough for our troops, but not illegal migrants. We're like second class citizens in our own country. Everyone who stands on the side of the road with "migrants welcome here" placards should be forced to house at least two.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Livia

There are plenty of disused army camps but they're not good enough for the illegals. They're good enough for our troops, but not illegal migrants. We're like second class citizens in our own country. Everyone who stands on the side of the road with "migrants welcome here" placards should be forced to house at least two.

Yes. Why do they have to stay at the best hotels and have everything handed to them? No wonder they don't want to work even if their application is accepted.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Yes. Why do they have to stay at the best hotels and have everything handed to them? No wonder they don't want to work even if their application is accepted.

And all the time our homeless are ignored by politicians and the woke left. It encourages these people to come here, luxury accommodation, free phone, clothes, medical and dental, trips out to the places like Old Trafford, music events and the cricket. Meanwhile a homeless man I spoke to in Peterborough was denied help by Peterborough Council, who've housed thousands of immigrants in social housing in front of locals, because they said he had no ties to the area. He was born in Peterborough, but apparently that wasn't enough of a tie, so he sleeps in shop doorways.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Livia

And all the time our homeless are ignored by politicians and the woke left. It encourages these people to come here, luxury accommodation, free phone, clothes, medical and dental, trips out to the places like Old Trafford, music events and the cricket. Meanwhile a homeless man I spoke to in Peterborough was denied help by Peterborough Council, who've housed thousands of immigrants in social housing in front of locals, because they said he had no ties to the area. He was born in Peterborough, but apparently that wasn't enough of a tie, so he sleeps in shop doorways.

There's always social housing for illegal immigrants, but none for the British.
It's outrageous!

[user104658]

The misinformation in this thread is honestly staggering. I'm not even going to bother.

[bots]

the rules for accepting asylum seekers are defined in stone by international law. The UK doesn't make the rules

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bots

the rules for accepting asylum seekers are defined in stone by international law. The UK doesn't make the rules

No but there is no law that says they have to be put up in hotels?

Home Office estimates in February found there were “more than 45,500 asylum seekers in hotels costing the UK taxpayer £5.6 million a day”, approximately £2 billion a year.

Build some accommodation, Labour want to build build build they can start with this

I don't think its a stretch to say young people are seeing how their grandparents are being treated after years of work, no wonder they dont want to start doing a 9 to 5, not sure I would either if I were in their shoes

[bots]

i think they could probably home the lot of them in Gary Lineker's house

[bots]

they need to move the handling of illegal immigrants to a non political space. Every party knows the rules, every party knows how complex an issue it is. Take the politics out of it and just enforce the law. Then the likes of reform have nothing to argue about