[Glenn.]

I think people need to keep their noses out of other people’s fertility issues. Unless of course it concerns them directly.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I think people need to keep their noses out of other people’s fertility issues. Unless of course it concerns them directly.

I think that if you broadcast it on TV for the world to see that it becomes fair game for open discussion.

What else is the show even for?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I think that if you broadcast it on TV for the world to see that it becomes fair game for open discussion.

What else is the show even for?

A passing remark about eggs was the cause for a transphobic thread to be made. As far as I’m concerned it’s just a way to be ignorant.

Zelahs fertility is no one’s business and certainly not the OP who does not care one jote. Just another dig at trans people.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

A passing remark about eggs was the cause for a transphobic thread to be made. As far as I’m concerned it’s just a way to be ignorant.

Zelahs fertility is no one’s business and certainly not the OP who does not care one jote. Just another dig at trans people.

So you responded to that perception with a solid dose of heterophobia?

ok...

Not sure you are decreasing the ignorance here really.

Ze's fertility became everyone's business as soon as they talked about it on Big Brother. You don't get to be the big boss and pick and choose what we talk about regarding the show.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

So you responded to that perception with a solid dose of heterophobia?

ok...

Not sure you are decreasing the ignorance here really.

Ze's fertility became everyone's business as soon as they talked about it on Big Brother. You don't get to be the big boss and pick and choose what we talk about regarding the show.

I get to call out the transphobia. Regardless of anything, such a deep discussion, rooted in transphobia isn’t necessary.

[vesavius]

On a related note... What would make it hard for Ze to conceive if the testosterone hasn't made their egg infertile?

Can anyone tell me in layman's terms?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by vesavius

On a related note... What would make it hard for Ze to conceive if the testosterone hasn't made their egg infertile?

Can anyone tell me in layman's terms?

Theoretically, I think Ze should be able to conceive a baby and carry one but I think (and obviously don't know for sure) that Zelah wants his partner to carry the child as he feels like a man and so therefore wouldn't want to actually be pregnant but would like to be genetically linked to a child.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Theoretically, I think Ze should be able to conceive a baby and carry one but I think (and obviously don't know for sure) that Zelah wants his partner to carry the child as he feels like a man and so therefore wouldn't want to actually be pregnant but would like to be genetically linked to a child.

ahh ok, I see, thanks

[Parmy]

So ze wants his eggs inside his partner, and then someone has sex to impregnate his partner...

Her a lesbian, forced to have sex with a man, and carry 2 peoples child for nine months...


All sounds very selfish of ze, he seems to be the only one winning here!

And of course the no strings attached sex for the stranger.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Beso

So ze wants his eggs inside his partner, and then someone has sex to impregnate his partner...

Her a lesbian, forced to have sex with a man, and carry 2 peoples child for nine months...


All sounds very selfish of ze, he seems to be the only one winning here!

And of course the no strings attached sex for the stranger.

..no sex required, that's not how IVF works..

[Barry.]

Originally Posted by Beso

So ze wants his eggs inside his partner, and then someone has sex to impregnate his partner...

Her a lesbian, forced to have sex with a man, and carry 2 peoples child for nine months...


All sounds very selfish of ze, he seems to be the only one winning here!

And of course the no strings attached sex for the stranger.

She won’t need to have sex with a man.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Beso

So ze wants his eggs inside his partner, and then someone has sex to impregnate his partner...

Her a lesbian, forced to have sex with a man, and carry 2 peoples child for nine months...


All sounds very selfish of ze, he seems to be the only one winning here!

And of course the no strings attached sex for the stranger.

This post has made my eyes water.

[Glenn.]

Jesus Christ people need educating.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Jesus Christ people need educating.

Can't say i care enough to look deeper into it.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Beso

Can't say i care enough to look deeper into it.

Obviously. Not at all surprised though given your track record

[Parmy]

I take it this isn't free on the NHS

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Beso

I take it this isn't free on the NHS

Depends on the area. Same with anyone wanting to access IVF on NHS, each Trust has its own criteria. I had to pay for my IVF due to my partner already having biological children from a prior relationship. IVF on the NHS is very much a postcode lottery with really strict criteria.

[BBXX]

Why do people have such strong opinions on things they know nothing about

[Glenn.]

Like I said earlier in the thread. Imagine being triggered by surrogacy.

Except it’s not the surrogacy part, it’s the trans part that’s got certain members triggered. Certain members who are obsessed with other people’s reproductive organs and such. It’s weird as hell.

[Glenn.]

A whole thread on why and how a trans person chooses to have a baby.

[Glenn.]

What is appalling is the entitlement you have to think you can debate anybody’s fertility.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

What is appalling is the entitlement you have to think you can debate anybody’s fertility.

Calling bigotry an opinion is like calling arsenic a flavour

[Glenn.]

I was using your own logic against you

[Livia]

Zelah and partner are not infertile. You can't really equate this with people going through IVF. Zelah has chosen to live as a man but wants one of his eggs (excuse the screaming paradox there) implanted in his girlfriend. I hope they're paying for this nonsense themselves.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Livia

Zelah and partner are not infertile. You can't really equate this with people going through IVF. Zelah has chosen to live as a man but wants one of his eggs (excuse the screaming paradox there) implanted in his girlfriend. I hope they're paying for this nonsense themselves.

It's the fact they are paying for it themselves that has people calling them selfish because that money could be spent on an existing child.

Now it's an issue if they're getting done on the NHS.

So they literally can't win. People just don't want trans people to be parents without judgement, it seems.