[bitontheslide]

so many people were complaining the government werent doing a lock down, now that its done, they are saying its destroying their business and when are they going to open up cause christmas will be affected .... couldn't make it up

[Ammi]

..are they the exact same people, then...?...

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

so many people were complaining the government werent doing a lock down, now that its done, they are saying its destroying their business and when are they going to open up cause christmas will be affected .... couldn't make it up

It's almost like it's a really complicated issue that although necessary, will still have damaging effects.

[The Slim Reaper]

Staff shortages in the NHS is another problem we're having. Good job we haven't been alienating the same people we need over the last few years.

Spoiler:

[joeysteele]

It's the uncertainty that's more being grumbled at.

It would have been right to open up things more slowly, not fire people back to the offices, towns and cities.
Having more and more opening up of everything.

Then sitting back, messing about with regional this and that.
Throwing out the scientific advice of a circuit breaker at least 6 weeks ago.

The government coming to the table only when forced it shamed to.
As infection rates soar and deaths get worse, during that delayed period.

Which then called for more severe measures due to the said delay.

Either tell the truth, that it's likely we will have this on/ off situation of lockdowns, likely more national ones too.

However do them to nip things in the bud, not once it's blossomed and increasing everywhere.

Stop too, talking about normality, or getting sorted for Christmas or for other reasons.

Stop the covering up,the deceit and tell people the truth.
Admit the massive errors already made.
Not head out to repeat the same errors again.

No wonder businesses and people haven't a clue where they are with that nonsense being spouted from government.

Easier to blame everyone and anyone else,other than the government then.

Not for me, the government is the one with ALL the information,all the finer detail behind the information or bits of it they want to,as to the info they share publicly.

They have it all.
They have all the figures and the warnings.
So act rapidly,not delaying and throwing confusion and promising no more lockdowns then having to do them.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It's the uncertainty that's more being grumbled at.

It would have been right to open up things more slowly, not fire people back to the offices, towns and cities.
Having more and more opening up of everything.

Then sitting back, messing about with regional this and that.
Throwing out the scientific advice of a circuit breaker at least 6 weeks ago.

The government coming to the table only when forced it shamed to.
As infection rates soar and deaths get worse, during that delayed period.

Which then called for more severe measures due to the said delay.

Either tell the truth, that it's likely we will have this on/ off situation of lockdowns, likely more national ones too.

However do them to nip things in the bud, not once it's blossomed and increasing everywhere.

Stop too, talking about normality, or getting sorted for Christmas or for other reasons.

Stop the covering up,the deceit and tell people the truth.
Admit the massive errors already made.
Not head out to repeat the same errors again.

No wonder businesses and people haven't a clue where they are with that nonsense being spouted from government.

Easier to blame everyone and anyone else,other than the government then.

Not for me, the government is the one with ALL the information,all the finer detail behind the information or bits of it they want to,as to the info they share publicly.

They have it all.
They have all the figures and the warnings.
So act rapidly,not delaying and throwing confusion and promising no more lockdowns then having to do them.

...yeah, you have a point there as well, Joey...when we phased out of the lockdown...the phases weren’t really phases at all because it wasn’t waited to see the impact of one phase before the next was implemented...we’ll start one on Monday and then on Wednesday and by Thursday afternoon etc../...mindset...so that caused anxieties as well for some, I feel...now it’s been, we’re doing fine and okay...to we’ll have to regionalise because there is some not so okay...to full lockdown...and we’re also being told consistently that this isn’t Spring and we now ‘know so much more about the COVID...’...so why was this all not more anticipated so preparations could have been made etc...the actions seem the complete contrast of us ‘knowing so much more now...’...

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

They are in part to blame.
Just as the government is too.
However the government makes the rules and should enforce them.

I've condemned the non mask wearers and excusers of same.

Far too much too soon was opened up at once.
Now I'm aware you consider me thick.
However I'll condemn the government if I so wish just as you'll possibly tear in to try to sidestep the government's failing to defend.
Being your government that's in part understandable.

I'd be as strong in my attacks however if this were my party in government making the mess this lot have.

I learned of a neighbour's son, who was on Friday tested at work.
He has the virus now.
Has a wife and 3 children.
All he's done is go to work as this government told him to.

Now has the virus.

It's not just those people's fault you'd hold only responsible.
When people are contracting it, only doing as they were told to by this government.
In fact near ordered to, as they were virtually told to go back to work.

There's even doubt now as to how long this can be airborne as a virus.
We aren't instructed to wear facecoverings in public places.

A lot of people could be getting it via ways we don't believe it possible to yet.
Which is why everything the government instructs and puts in place is important.

They can claim success if anything really works.

However, if they are pushing people back out into communities, then they too rightly have the buck stopping at their door.
When their dangerous play with others lives results in more unnecessary deaths.

That's not a price I think worth paying and I never will sit back and not attack the incompetence that brings it about either.

A few weeks ago they produced stats ( graph) which showed that it was clearly the under 30’s who were driving the infection rate to crazy levels - the same thing was happening across Europe. .. with the warning that it would inevitably spread cup through the age groups- which is happening now .

Then go back to the crazy scenes in Nottingham then Liverpool centre where the younger folk were congregating and ( off camera) freely admitting on Sky News that they don’t and won’t abide by any rules or regulations .

I don’t see this ending well ... at all

I’ve gone from feeling constantly apprehensive to enduring the constant fear of uncertainty to currently feeling a kind of inevitability...


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[Ammi]

....I’m personally very dubious of graphs and statistics as a general tbh...because they can be made to suit and manipulated whichever way...

[arista]

Covid: Sir Rocco Forte's claims fact-checked


Yes he is not up to date, at all.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/54735702

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

so many people were complaining the government werent doing a lock down, now that its done, they are saying its destroying their business and when are they going to open up cause christmas will be affected .... couldn't make it up

Those people have been requesting a lockdown since Sage suggested it back at the beginning of September when cases began to rise. Had the Gov acted when they were first advised, Christmas and the commercial opportunities it brings to businesses who rely on it may not have been as badly compromised.

You're right though, you cant make it up that Boris has taken 2 months to follow the advice iof the science he has held in such high esteem all through this crisis

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Restaurateur who imported heated igloos to the Hove seafront faces loss as new lockdown looms...

A restaurateur who invested Ł160,000 into making his establishment Covid-proof ahead of the winter is expecting to lose thousands of pounds as new restrictions force hospitality closures.

When restaurants were told that they could only offer outdoor seating to those from different households while a maximum of six could dine inside, Luke Davis, boss of Rockwater in Hove, took it as an opportunity to innovate.

He set about importing 30 igloos to the UK from Germany, so 'bubbles' could dine safely outside, warm and enclosed and away from other families.

However, with new nationwide restrictions coming into force, the pods, which cost Ł160,000 could be no more than a beachside feature, left empty and crucially, not providing any income for a business already hit by the lockdown since March.

Mr Davis, 41, said: "These are difficult times for the hospitality trade. We wanted to continue trading and we had to order these pods from Germany.

"The igloos are really cool looking and totally fit the requirements of our restaurant. It looks very other-worldly. They really are an attraction in themselves.

"We only launched the pods this weekend and we are already totally booked out with guests.

...full article...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/restaurate...190224168.html

Yeah I know a lot of places who have spent a huge amount improving their outdoor areas so that they could still get some form of custom, erecting big shelters, installing heaters etc. They're now being punished for trying to be creative and responsible. Furlough helps with staff costs but it doesn't help repay all the investment that businesses have made in order to comply with previous restrictions

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah I know a lot of places who have spent a huge amount improving their outdoor areas so that they could still get some form of custom, erecting big shelters, installing heaters etc. They're now being punished for trying to be creative and responsible. Furlough helps with staff costs but it doesn't help repay all the investment that businesses have made in order to comply with previous restrictions

...it’s not just businesses, though...the same applies to some people with their homes because we knew that ‘outdoor’ in our gardens would be much more difficult with our climate in Autumn/Winter...I know lots of people who have made adaptions in their own gardens.../added outside heaters at an expense etc so that ‘outdoor’ could be extended with all safety adhered to...and now that can’t happen, so it was an extra expense from their budgets etc...

[arista]

[We only launched the pods this weekend and we are already totally booked out with guests.]

The Hove grump.
He just has to wait for the Lockdown to end,
and until then Do TAKE AWAYS

[Ammi]

...with the igloos, I’m sure we would have said...that’s the spirit, be inventive and make it work for you as a unique thing....

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Those people have been requesting a lockdown since Sage suggested it back at the beginning of September when cases began to rise. Had the Gov acted when they were first advised, Christmas and the commercial opportunities it brings to businesses who rely on it may not have been as badly compromised.

You're right though, you cant make it up that Boris has taken 2 months to follow the advice iof the science he has held in such high esteem all through this crisis

the thing is though t3 restrictions are having an effect, and if people social distanced like they were supposed to, we wouldn't have needed this lockdown. People love to blame the government, and i'm no fan, believe me, but sage doesnt concern itself with economics, thats not their purpose, the government does, hence it has to balance decisions more.

The government can't win no matter what decisions they take, that is pretty obvious

[Strictly Jake]

Gutted I still have to work. But thats coz im a lazy sod, haha. Shouldnt complain really I have it lucky

[Cherie]

Opening up slowly made no difference, Wales opened up after England and the Republic’s many services didn’t open until late July, pubs were closed until September and closed again a few weeks later, the virus is being spread indoors in family homes imo

[arista]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

Gutted I still have to work. But thats coz im a lazy sod, haha. Shouldnt complain really I have it lucky

Well done to you.
Get those Mobile phone Kids
sorted.

[Kate!]

Andy Burnham to hold press conference this afternoon.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Opening up slowly made no difference, Wales opened up after England and the Republic’s many services didn’t open until late July, pubs were closed until September and closed again a few weeks later, the virus is being spread indoors in family homes imo

Yeah I think a lot of the discussion about the speed of reopening or the timing of lockdown is dancing on the head of a pin stuff, the fact most of Europe is following similar trajectories despite variations in policy makes me think that governments ability to really control the virus is quite limited

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Andy Burnham to hold press conference this afternoon.

We know what he is angry about
Now the new lockdown gets 80% Job benefit
from Nov5 to Dec2.

And of course
in Manchester,
they have had a sort of Lockdown
but a lower rate of money



So its Anger about Lost Cash

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....I’m personally very dubious of graphs and statistics as a general tbh...because they can be made to suit and manipulated whichever way...

They were used by all the European countries for their modelling..


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Andy Burnham to hold press conference this afternoon.

To stamp his feet again and go off in a huff ...


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[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it’s not just businesses, though...the same applies to some people with their homes because we knew that ‘outdoor’ in our gardens would be much more difficult with our climate in Autumn/Winter...I know lots of people who have made adaptions in their own gardens.../added outside heaters at an expense etc so that ‘outdoor’ could be extended with all safety adhered to...and now that can’t happen, so it was an extra expense from their budgets etc...

how is that the same? a business would outlay and hope to get a return on their outlay, a private home will be out of bounds for a few weeks depending on what Tier you are, will be able to use it again after than, meanwhile the restaurant might have gone out of business

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

We know what he is angry about
Now the new lockdown gets 80% Job benefit
from Nov5 to Dec2.

And of course
in Manchester,
they have had a sort of Lockdown
but a lower rate of money



So its Anger about Lost Cash

He won't be angry about the extra available on furlough now.

He'll be angry and rightly so that he was told this was IMPOSSIBLE just over a week ago.
When he was fighting for what SHOULD have been there for his residents of his area.

It's clear it was possible and who were the ones really playing politically with the people of Manchester.