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Callum · 29-09-2011, 03:35 PM

Yeah EE is in a really bad place at the moment, wish Bryan Kirkwood would leave, since he's been in charge the show has turned into another Hollyoaks.

InOne · 29-09-2011, 03:37 PM

Even HO is better at the moment

Redway · 01-10-2011, 03:32 PM

I don't often post on here anymore - and still won't - but there is no way I can sit down and continue to see my favourite soap decline.

EastEnders is absolutely appalling at the minute. EastEnders has never been this bad before. Even in the not-so-good periods, such as 2004 and 2006, I still had a reason to watch. I've actually switched off. I don't know how anyone can sit through that drivel.

Since March 2010, EastEnders has been on a downward spiral. For me, it become almost unwatchable from late November 2010. EastEnders has had fundamental problems since at least 2006 and they were very evident under Kate Harwood (during 2006 - 2005 was a good year for EastEnders, but I believe that to be down to something else, which I won't go into just yet). The problems were still there under Santer but he was able to mask those problems, so they weren't very apparent to your typical viewer. In spite of all this, Santer still made EastEnders exciting and worth watching. At the minute, there's nothing in EastEnders to look forward to. (Tanya's cancer storyline had potential but has been damaged already; Ben's 'coming out' storyline has just been a piece of piss, IMO.)

Everyone who claims to be a 'fan', or even a 'viewer, of EastEnders deserves much better than the nonsense that is currently being served out.
Yes, the problems have been here since at least 2006 but at least Santer made EastEnders 'decent'.

Talk to anyone and they're saying, "Oh, EastEnders is dreadful at the minute" and comments to such degree. Most people I know have, at the moment, given up on EastEnders. Why aren't the press laying into EastEnders? 2004 and 2006 were much better than anything served out in 2011 so far and they're the years that were hammered by the press. In fact, back then, the press was just seeking blood with EastEnders. I think part of the problem was that both the ITV soaps, Emmerdale and Coronation Street, were in excellent shape from at that period and EastEnders wasn't exactly brilliant during that period (although, as previously stated, I'd much rather have that than anything now).

EastEnders feels so disjointed at the minute.

At the minute, I can't actually be bothered saying what's wrong with EastEnders, because there's too much wrong with it.

Why can't the BBC see that the, rather overwhelming, majority isn't happy with the show, as of present?

For that very reason, I urge everyone - who doesn't think EastEnders is doing well at the minute - to complain. Hopefully, if more people begin to complain, the BBC will start to take notice. https://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/forms/

I also notice that the ratings are significantly down from this point last year. There's no excuse.

Bryan Kirkwood needs to go now before any more damage is done to the show.

I worry for EastEnders, I really do.

Patrick · 01-10-2011, 03:35 PM

Thought the thread title was about me.

Redway · 01-10-2011, 03:37 PM

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Thought the thread title was about me.

Patrick · 01-10-2011, 03:38 PM

Anyway, Kirkwood needs to go - I haven't been 'EXCITED' for EastEnders since Diedrick left - I use to be so pumped for the episodes and the storylines and now I feel like I HAVE to watch it.

It's horrible.

The only good point EastEnders has had lately was at the end of Summer there, when it went to South End, to the sea side and the show took on a different feel and Rob died and that.

That was excellent.

Then it went back to Albert SQ

It's the Masood storyline that is dragging out, and The Moons being everywhere - I'm just fed up with it.

We need some fresh faces and some better/bigger storylines.

Callum · 01-10-2011, 03:40 PM

I think Bryan Kirkwood is the worst EP EastEnders has ever had, even when Kate Harwood was in charge it was never this bad. I never look forward to an episode these days, I'm just watching out of habit.

Iceman · 01-10-2011, 03:40 PM

Also they've completely under-used Mandy since she's been back by having her with Beale....they should have made it that she and Janine wer scheming friends.....and that they knew each other while Janine was gone from the square....

Redway · 01-10-2011, 03:40 PM

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Anyway, Kirkwood needs to go - I haven't been 'EXCITED' for EastEnders since Diedrick left - I use to be so pumped for the episodes and the storylines and now I feel like I HAVE to watch it.

It's horrible.

The only good point EastEnders has had lately was at the end of Summer there, when it went to South End, to the sea side and the show took on a different feel and Rob died and that.

That was excellent.

Then it went back to Albert SQ

It's the Masood storyline that is dragging out, and The Moons being everywhere - I'm just fed up with it.

We need some fresh faces and some better/bigger storylines.

EastEnders wasn't brilliant under Santer but it was at least decent, getting interesting from time to time. We can't have much longer, though, can we?

If we do, I will actually go down to Elstree Studios and make a complaint.

Iceman · 01-10-2011, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Callum

I think Bryan Kirkwood is the worst EP EastEnders has ever had, even when Kate Harwood was in charge it was never this bad. I never look forward to an episode these days, I'm just watching out of habit.

Ive given up lol I read the storylines and the only one im interested in is Jo Joyners Cancer portrayal.

Callum · 01-10-2011, 03:45 PM

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Also they've completely under-used Mandy since she's been back by having her with Beale....they should have made it that she and Janine wer scheming friends.....and that they knew each other while Janine was gone from the square....

I never watched when Mandy was originally on the show but I've seen clips of her on YouTube and read her bio on Wiki and gather she used to be a bit of a bitch, like Janine is. Totally altered her character since her return, you don't get the feeling she's a bitch at all really, I find it hard to believe Ian would want to be involved with her also. Bryan Kirkwood is good at ruining characters though I've noticed, just look at Kat and Alfie.

Iceman · 01-10-2011, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Callum

I never watched when Mandy was originally on the show but I've seen clips of her on YouTube and read her bio on Wiki and gather she used to be a bit of a bitch, like Janine is. Totally altered her character since her return, you don't get the feeling she's a bitch at all really, I find it hard to believe Ian would want to be involved with her also. Bryan Kirkwood is good at ruining characters though I've noticed, just look at Kat and Alfie.

That's what I mean, going from her past and bringing her back as a friend for Janine (I mean she has NO friends) would have made perfect sense, she could have done some of the storylines Janine does to give Janines character a break.

Patrick · 01-10-2011, 03:50 PM

I've sent a long complaint out to the BBC.

I urge you all to do the same.

Redway · 01-10-2011, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Callum

I think Bryan Kirkwood is the worst EP EastEnders has ever had, even when Kate Harwood was in charge it was never this bad. I never look forward to an episode these days, I'm just watching out of habit.

Of course it is. Louise Berridge wasn't that bad a producer. People forget that she took over in June 2002 and, at that period, EastEnders was still riding strong; it was only in 2004 that her work began to flop and that was due to a series of unfortunate events, e.g. Leslie Gratham's sex antics, cast members falling ill, etc; and that year (2004) may not have been great but it was still all right.

Kathleen Hutchison developed Den's murder storyline and that storyline made 2005 an absolutely seminal year for EastEnders. True, the over-reliance on that storyline was no way to run a soap but it was one of the best in EastEnders' history. It was drawn out properly, it was gripping from start to finish (excluding Chrissie's stupid exit [such a legendary character deserved much better]), everyone was talking about it and the ratings were very high.

Kate Harwood was in charge for most of that year but I believe that to be because she was relying on Kathleen's success. She flopped in 2006 - big time. It really showed when all the big characters, e.g. Chrissie, Sharon, Dennis, Kat, Alfie, etc, departed towards December 2005/January 2006. So I would argue that Kate Harwood was very bad. However, we still had stuff going on that year (2006), so it wasn't all that bad.

Bryan Kirkwood, on the other hand, has been much worse than any of the above producers. He's no excuse.

Redway · 01-10-2011, 04:04 PM

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I've sent a long complaint out to the BBC.

I urge you all to do the same.

Cheers, Paddy.

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Originally Posted by Callum

I never watched when Mandy was originally on the show but I've seen clips of her on YouTube and read her bio on Wiki and gather she used to be a bit of a bitch, like Janine is. Totally altered her character since her return, you don't get the feeling she's a bitch at all really, I find it hard to believe Ian would want to be involved with her also. Bryan Kirkwood is good at ruining characters though I've noticed, just look at Kat and Alfie.

Oh, I agree. Kat was always a favourite of mine from September 2000 - December 2005. Bryan Kirkwood has plagued misery on her and turned her into a miserable, wicked little cow. Kate Harwood did the exact same with Pauline in 2006. That said, is there any likeable character in EastEnders, at the moment? No. (Perhaps excluding the likes of Tiffany and Max [the latter being ruined by another ridiculous affair].) I'm not the biggest fan of Alfie but he's become a huge caricature. Bryan Kirkwood's characterisation is extremely poor.

Redway · 01-10-2011, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Callum

I think Bryan Kirkwood is the worst EP EastEnders has ever had, even when Kate Harwood was in charge it was never this bad. I never look forward to an episode these days, I'm just watching out of habit.

Of course it wasn't. You've got to remember, Callum, that Kate Harwood took over in March 2005 and 2005 was a great year for EastEnders (despite the over-reliance of a particular storyline/a group of characters). It was only in 2006 when her work started to heavily deteriorate. That said, Den's murder storyline carried 2005 - and turned it into such a great year - and she was relying on Katchleen Hutchison's success; at least it was still somewhat watchable in 2006.

I honestly don't know how you do it, Callum. I really don't. You can actually sit through half an hour of that?

Let's hope Bryan leaves soon.

Callum · 01-10-2011, 08:49 PM

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I honestly don't know how you do it, Callum. I really don't. You can actually sit through half an hour of that?

Let's hope Bryan leaves soon.

Like I said it's just out of habit these days, I'm still watching because I'm just hoping it will get better, I don't want to give up on it, I've been watching it since I was a child but at this rate I won't be sticking with it much longer.

Redway · 01-10-2011, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Callum

Like I said it's just out of habit these days, I'm still watching because I'm just hoping it will get better, I don't want to give up on it, I've been watching it since I was a child but at this rate I won't be sticking with it much longer.

Don't give up on it. Hopefully, the show will sort itself out, like it did in '07, following a pretty poor year. It will get better. I'm positive.

Anyway, I've actually tuned out. I'll start watching again when I know Bryan Kirkwood's gone.

Redway · 01-10-2011, 09:31 PM

I think what EastEnders needs is another Mathew Robinson period. Now I'm young so I wasn't really into EastEnders back in the '90s, but I have done a lot of research and I know, for a fact, that EastEnders was really struggling from 1996-1998. The ratings were falling, the press were laying into EastEnders and many people just weren't satisfied.

Mathew Robinson, however, came in and totally changed EastEnders, from what I believe. He got rid of all the deadwood, introduced interesting storylines and characters and just gave the show a makeover. By mid-1999, EastEnders was on top form, leading to another golden period, so everything was all set for John Yorke.

This is one of those cases. The new producer, unfortunately, has years' worth of mess - only made worse - to clean up. It will get better, though.