[joeysteele]

I really wish the Conservatives had been given the choice to elect a leader who could really start to rebuild them.
It's hard in opposition to rebuild and it needs a stronger nerve to do so, even making mistakes on the way.

The government has still 4 and a half years to go.
They have the opportunity of doing many things to turn things around for them.
By simply being in government.
It's much harder to sustain recovery or success in opposition.

Kemi Badenoch is rather poor unfortunately at PMQs her delivery and chosen topics as questions left ineffectual.

However to play into narcissist Farage's hands on poll ratings is extremely unwise on her part.
All he does is look for any divisive elements to seize on and try to divide further or even seek destruction.

I really hope, the Conservative Party looks deeply inward and does something to thwart the narcissistic egomaniac Farage's divisive aims.

However the Labour government too along with the LibDems and Greens.
Really need to eradicate more divisions and concerns of the Country.
Labour and the LibDems despite the government's massive majority, are in fact working alongside each other on some issues.
They just need to get some success from the policies to help convince that long term things will be at least significantly better.

I hope Conservative members will push to get some real strength again and direction to see off Reform.
Labour had this issue with the Alliance set up in the 80s with the split opposition voting, and saw it off.
The Conservatives need to do the same.

[bots]

What political parties need to do is represent the people rather than corporate interests. Surely people can see that other than the name changing from tory to labour and a few more regional accents, there is no change. There won't be any change. Yes, they can spin things to make it look a bit different, but fundamentally, it just isn't any different. Do labour care more? Nope. Will labour put more money into the pockets of working people? Nope. Will labour improve public services? Nope

This is why people like farage end up being successful

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bots

What political parties need to do is represent the people rather than corporate interests. Surely people can see that other than the name changing from tory to labour and a few more regional accents, there is no change. There won't be any change. Yes, they can spin things to make it look a bit different, but fundamentally, it just isn't any different. Do labour care more? Nope. Will labour put more money into the pockets of working people? Nope. Will labour improve public services? Nope

This is why people like farage end up being successful

I don't hold with your pessimism of what this Labour government may not be successful in.
I really am disappointed with and disillusioned by the start they've done on a few things.
However not all.

I do however see your points as to any real change plus also the spin element too.

I still hold hope in those who don't vote and it's still why I support PR for elections.
We had Farage and his divisive lot crowing Reform was ahead of the Cons and rising during the election.
Yet it was utter nonsense, his lot were 10% behind the Conservatives on voting day.
Plus 40% didn't even vote so they felt no enthusiasm for Farage and Reform.
Plus so many I talked to when campaigning, who don't vote.
The issues they were concerned about were the NHS, and cost of living.
Nothing if the harder uncompromising more right wing divisive stuff.

Anyhow, a long, long way to go to the next election.
It does not need to be until August 2029.
It won't be any earlier unless it looks like the government would win.

No one has any real idea of where the economic situation will really be by then, or what success or failure the government has had happen.
I still believe PR, will be a way forward and start to realise change
Plus I still believe that it would never hopefully or likely be the case, anywhere up to 50% of voters would support the destructive, divisive rhetoric of Farage and his lot.
No matter what unfurls meantime under this current unrepresentative electoral system over the next 4 and a half years.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't hold with your pessimism of what this Labour government may not be successful in.
I really am disappointed with and disillusioned by the start they've done on a few things.
However not all.

I do however see your points as to any real change plus also the spin element too.

I still hold hope in those who don't vote and it's still why I support PR for elections.
We had Farage and his divisive lot crowing Reform was ahead of the Cons and rising during the election.
Yet it was utter nonsense, his lot were 10% behind the Conservatives on voting day.
Plus 40% didn't even vote so they felt no enthusiasm for Farage and Reform.
Plus so many I talked to when campaigning, who don't vote.
The issues they were concerned about were the NHS, and cost of living.
Nothing if the harder uncompromising more right wing divisive stuff.

Anyhow, a long, long way to go to the next election.
It does not need to be until August 2029.
It won't be any earlier unless it looks like the government would win.

No one has any real idea of where the economic situation will really be by then, or what success or failure the government has had happen.
I still believe PR, will be a way forward and start to realise change
Plus I still believe that it would never hopefully or likely be the case, anywhere up to 50% of voters would support the destructive, divisive rhetoric of Farage and his lot.
No matter what unfurls meantime under this current unrepresentative electoral system over the next 4 and a half years.

Reform are building power day by day.

Would not surprise me one bit if Nigel becomes PM in a few years time.

I think you're a bit naive

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by ivy balls

Reform are building power day by day.

Would not surprise me one bit if Nigel becomes PM in a few years time.

I think you're a bit naive

I will hope and pray every day that NEVER happens as to Farage.

[arista]

Originally Posted by ivy balls

Reform are building power day by day.

Would not surprise me one bit if Nigel becomes PM in a few years time.

I think you're a bit naive

I doubt he could become PM

By that time the Conservatives
may have changed their leader.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Youtube video

[arista]

[I don't hold with your pessimism of what this
Labour government may not be successful in.
I really am disappointed with and disillusioned
by the start they've done on a few things.
However not all.

I do however see your points as to any
real change plus also the spin element too.]


Yes Joey Labour has a Chance
but May 2025 Local Elections
could Reform UK increase.?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

[I don't hold with your pessimism of what this
Labour government may not be successful in.
I really am disappointed with and disillusioned
by the start they've done on a few things.
However not all.

I do however see your points as to any
real change plus also the spin element too.]


Yes Joey Labour has a Chance
but May 2025 Local Elections
could Reform UK increase.?

Yes arista.
I do expect a run for Reform in the council elections..
Much as was the case in the last European elections held in the UK.
I think Labour will lose a significant number of seats.

Very low turnout in council elections may help Reform too
I'll hope however it's short lived as to any success.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Yes arista.
I do expect a run for Reform in the council elections..
Much as was the case in the last European elections held in the UK.
I think Labour will lose a significant number of seats.

Very low turnout in council elections may help Reform too
I'll hope however it's short lived as to any success.

Yes,
many are saying the same.


I think it is also possible they add a 6th MP
around that time.
Or just before it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Douglas Chirnside
4 hrs ago
Nigel Farage stood down hundred of Brexit candidates in Tory seats in 2019 and
delivered Boris the biggest Tory win since Margaret Thatcher. The Tories were
astonishingly ungrateful and betrayed their Brexit promises and their own
manifesto. They kept Britain in the EU’s clutches and instigated mass
immigration on a scale never seen in British history. They introduced the
highest tax burden in modern times and pursued Net Zero and woke policies
while careering from one failed leader to the next. Voters don’t like them and
don’t trust them and Farage will never do a deal with them. Instead he will
replace them.

[arista]

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

Not being funny but why not favour an alternative party, with that state of the current Big Two?

Also why is she so entitled as to have "fury" that someone else is being favoured?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by CheapLousyFaggit

Not being funny but why not favour an alternative party, with that state of the current Big Two?

Also why is she so entitled as to have "fury" that someone else is being favoured?

I mean if it was the media in general (as it usually is) then there'd be a point but kicking off that a news channel built to pander to flagwanking braindead brexit morons is favouring a political party built on a membership of flagwanking braindead brexit morons is a bit odd.

It's a fair comment to point out that GB News is a propaganda channel but it's not exactly brand new information? It's never been anything else.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I mean if it was the media in general (as it usually is) then there'd be a point but kicking off that a news channel built to pander to flagwanking braindead brexit morons is favouring a political party built on a membership of flagwanking braindead brexit morons is a bit odd.

It's a fair comment to point out that GB News is a propaganda channel but it's not exactly brand new information? It's never been anything else.

Flagwanking....what's happened to flaghumpers?


Am I correct in saying your job, or your wifes job entails entering peoples houses?

Because this flagshagging nonsense you keep repeating to undermine people who are still proud to be british is shallow, ridiculous and terribly one sided..why?

Well if you have ever been in a Syrian, afgahnis, Iranian, etc etc, house. You will know that they are 100 times more likely to be adorning their walls with flags and tapestries of their nations colours than any brit is likely to do.

That is from my 10 years experience of entering houses of brits, and non british households over the years..

I never hear you refer to those people as flaghumpers etc.


Strange that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Beso

Flagwanking....what's happened to flaghumpers?


Am I correct in saying your job, or your wifes job entails entering peoples houses?

Because this flagshagging nonsense you keep repeating to undermine people who are still proud to be british is shallow, ridiculous and terribly one sided..why?

Well if you have ever been in a Syrian, afgahnis, Iranian, etc etc, house. You will know that they are 100 times more likely to be adorning their walls with flags and tapestries of their nations colours than any brit is likely to do.

That is from my 10 years experience of entering houses of brits, and non british households over the years..

I never hear you refer to those people as flaghumpers etc.


Strange that.

Im afraid he will have to reply next week Parmy as he is on gardening leave..

[Crimson Dynamo]

Looks like the 2 failing legacy parties are terrified of Reform

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Reform ‘gains 20,000 members’ since Badenoch ‘fakery’ row


Party insiders claim clash with Tory leader has contributed to spike in sign-ups



Reform’s online membership tracker on Sunday showed that the party had
more than 152,000 signed-up grassroots supporters.

It comes after a major poll released on Sunday showed that Reform is on
course for a major parliamentary breakthrough at the next election, winning 71
MPs.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ch-fakery-row/

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Reform ‘gains 20,000 members’ since Badenoch ‘fakery’ row


Party insiders claim clash with Tory leader has contributed to spike in sign-ups



Reform’s online membership tracker on Sunday showed that the party had
more than 152,000 signed-up grassroots supporters.

It comes after a major poll released on Sunday showed that Reform is on
course for a major parliamentary breakthrough at the next election, winning 71
MPs.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ch-fakery-row/

elections to come soon again maybe


Reform are the UK's best hope against the no.1 enemy: The Migrants

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

elections to come soon again maybe


Reform are the UK's best hope against the no.1 enemy: The Migrants

It would take more than some unfavourable polls and membership surges to make Labour call another election.

In fact, these polls make it more unlikely they'd call one. Why would they?

[arista]

Yes Reform now having a Conference


Lee Anderson MP is next to appear from there
on GBnewsHD

[arista]

Lee Anderson MP

now speaking Live
in Leicester talking Reporter Christopher Hope

[arista]

[Former Conservative MP Marco Longhi
defects to Nigel Farage’s Reform UK party

Ex-MP attacks Tories saying the party of
Churchill and Thatcher ‘has transformed
into something unrecognisable’ in another
blow to new Conservative leader
Kemi Badenoch weeks after former minister
Dame Andrea Jenkyns crossed the floor]


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2673432.html

[arista]

Nigel Farage MP In Leicester

Live now only GBnewsHD

Telling them how stupid
the conservative leader is a Fool