[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Good King Glennceslas

So five then.

Like I said in another thread... concentrating on swatting ants with their back to a lion.

[Glenn.]

Exactly and I’m gonna get in there before the posts about how “isn’t five enough” and just say that the number shouldn’t exist in the first place. So you can’t save your moral high grounds.

You’re being angry at the wrong people.

[Vicky.]

I think a lot of the time with 'trans crime' men only identify as trans to get put in women's prisons instead of mens, so it distorts the stats somewhat. Iirc 'transwomen' are actually overrepresented when it comes to sexual crimes but again I think this comes down to men playing the system.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Christmas Dynasnow

Is it transphobic?

Short answer. Yes, many people reasonably see it as transphobic.

Here is why.

• It mocks the phrase “I identify as,” which is closely tied to trans people’s real lives.
• It frames gender identity as a joke or costume you can pick for laughs.
• That joke feeds a common anti trans talking point used to dismiss trans people entirely.
• You do not need to mention trans people directly to target them. Dog whistles still whistle.

Here is the counter argument.

• Some people read it as harmless wordplay about a fictional character.
• They say it pokes fun at language, not at people.
• Intent may not have been malicious.

The problem.

• Impact matters more than intent.
• Trans people already face hostility, ridicule, and disbelief.
• This kind of joke lands in that same pile, whether you mean it or not.

Bottom line.

• If a joke relies on undermining a marginalised group’s identity, it is not neutral.
• You can call it satire if you like. It still punches down.
• Christmas cards should spread cheer, not culture war bait.

If you have to explain why a joke is not transphobic, the joke has already failed.

[Glenn.]

So come on LT. Do explain the joke to the group.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Free Speech Union @SpeechUnion

BAH HUMBUG! 🎄

Sainsbury’s has removed a Christmas card from its shelves after transgender journalist Sophie Molly complained it was “transphobic”.

We can see that silly season is in full force.

The card simply read: “This Christmas, I’m identifying as a Grinch.”

Gender-critical campaigner Venice Allen has called the decision “surreal” — and we agree.

That person is below

[Glenn.]

I love it when LT gets clocked on his ****

[Livia]

Sophie Sparkles lol... Yeah, she's a real woman just like me.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Because they're under represented when it comes to that crime. She made the statement, she needs to provide the evidence and constitute what loads means. Claims like this need to work in stats and percentages, not just raw figures someone deems as "loads".

If a demographic is under represented as perpetrators of a crime, it's evidently not "loads" when that demographic only make up 1% of the population and it's extremely disingenuous to focus on that demographic as a way to provide a hate-filled point.

But if there is a higher percentage within that 1 percent committing the crimes compared to the other demographs percentages then there's a problem..It's these figures that are important.

[arista]

[Sainsbury’s has removed a Christmas card
from its shelves after transgender journalist
Sophie Molly complained it was “transphobic”.]

What a mess.

[Parmy]

1 person n complains...they will be 1/52millionth if the population...and a whole store chain changes what it's selling.


A small percentage impact they will be proud about and only to willing for the world to see.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

[Sainsbury’s has removed a Christmas card
from its shelves after transgender journalist
Sophie Molly complained it was “transphobic”.]

What a mess.

This was the card in case anyone is interested

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Good King Glennceslas

You’re right. You can’t be safe in so many situations. Thats right its men.

fixed it for you

unless you are denying that men have jumped on the trans bandwagon of course

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Cherry Christmas

fixed it for you

unless you are denying that men have jumped on the trans bandwagon of course

No one is denying that Cherie. But they’re not trans they’re MEN.

Trans people want what everyone else does, to be left the **** alone.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

[Sainsbury’s has removed a Christmas card
from its shelves after transgender journalist
Sophie Molly complained it was “transphobic”.]

What a mess.

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

This was the card in case anyone is interested

[Glenn.]

The rhetoric here and in the media that all trans people are demons and it’s ok to laugh at them, make jokes, diminish them at all is disgusting. And completely disproportionate to the actual problem.

Critical thinking guys, it’s not hard.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Good King Glennceslas

No one is denying that Cherie. But they’re not trans they’re MEN.

Trans people want what everyone else does, to be left the **** alone.

and women want to be left the **** alone as well, so transwomen will have to figure that one out for themselves, its not up to us to fix their issues for them, leave us alone, leave our sports alone, leave our spaces alone, leave our prisons alone, leave our refuges alone ...leave us ALONE

[Livia]

Why is it always gay men raging at women about how trans people are being hard done by? Obviously this does not in any sense apply to all gay men... But it's usually the same tiny percentage of gay men who are the loudest when it comes to leading the charge to tell women what's what.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherry Christmas

and women want to be left the **** alone as well, so transwomen will have to figure that one out for themselves, its not up to us to fix their issues for them, leave us alone, leave our sports alone, leave our spaces alone, leave our prisons alone, leave our refuges alone ...leave us ALONE

Post of the thread.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Christmas Dynasnow

The Free Speech Union @SpeechUnion

BAH HUMBUG! 🎄

Sainsbury’s has removed a Christmas card from its shelves after transgender journalist Sophie Molly complained it was “transphobic”.

We can see that silly season is in full force.

The card simply read: “This Christmas, I’m identifying as a Grinch.”

Gender-critical campaigner Venice Allen has called the decision “surreal” — and we agree.

That person is below

Nope I dont want you in my womens space tyvm

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Why is it always gay men raging at women about how trans people are being hard done by? Obviously this does not in any sense apply to all gay men... But it's usually the same tiny percentage of gay men who are the loudest when it comes to leading the charge to tell women what's what.

Because we know what it’s like to be outcasted for being who we are. Common sense would tell you that. Just a sliver of common sense.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Parmy

But if there is a higher percentage within that 1 percent committing the crimes compared to the other demographs percentages then there's a problem..It's these figures that are important.

I'm not sure why that's so important, as opposed to the prevalence in society as a whole, which shows actual risk probability and why you aren't more focussed on why despite being 49% of the population, men are 90%+ of the perpetrators of sexual assault.

However, lets go for it.

All people arrested who are male, about 0.87% were arrested for a sexual offence.

All people arrested who are female, about 0.13% were arrested for a sexual offence.

So as these figures are so important to you, care to discuss why men - the vast majority of which will be cisgendered, straight men of course - have such a serious issue with sexual assault in a way women don't?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Cherry Christmas

and women want to be left the **** alone as well, so transwomen will have to figure that one out for themselves, its not up to us to fix their issues for them, leave us alone, leave our sports alone, leave our spaces alone, leave our prisons alone, leave our refuges alone ...leave us ALONE

Then you tell the MEN who are more likely to rape you Cherie.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Livia

Why is it always gay men raging at women about how trans people are being hard done by? Obviously this does not in any sense apply to all gay men... But it's usually the same tiny percentage of gay men who are the loudest when it comes to leading the charge to tell women what's what.

We don't just rage at women, we rage at anyone saying the same thing.

But why gay men? Because we know once trans people have their rights removed the same people leading the charge are coming for us next. And then guess what. Once they're done with us, they'll move on to all other women.