[Parmy]

I was complaining about the uk being dragged back into the dark old days of union rule. .bit now I hanker for those days. Those days of no social media, where memes sway opinion, and more worryingly where trails can be laid and never be back traced. .sad sad world we live in now. .

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I was complaining about the uk being dragged back into the dark old days of union rule. .bit now I hanker for those days. Those days of no social media, where memes sway opinion, and more worryingly where trails can be laid and never be back traced. .sad sad world we live in now. .

I don't know parmnion, how life was in the 70s myself.
My Mum says they were great years even with their problems and then she loved the Bay City Rollers.

However, it does seem to me, learning as much as I can, especially from those from those days.

It seems the answers we need to some of the very imposing questions we are struggling with now, are possibly to be found there.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't know parmnion, how life was in the 70s myself.
My Mum says they were great years even with their problems and then she loved the Bay City Rollers.

However, it does seem to me, learning as much as I can, especially from those from those days.

It seems the answers we need to some of the very imposing questions we are struggling with now, are possibly to be found there.

But to many people have that platform for us to be able to fully rely on any one opinion. .better not knowing imo...take away social.media and we would.be just waiting on brexit....far more united as a nation....and not split like this...which to me is far sadder than our political situation atm..

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

But to many people have that platform for us to be able to fully rely on any one opinion. .better not knowing imo...take away social.media and we would.be just waiting on brexit....far more united as a nation....and not split like this...which to me is far sadder than our political situation atm..

Rubbish. Nothing to do with social media.
People are capable of forming opinions based on facts and logic.
I dont need the social media to tell me that turning our backs on our neighbours and biggest trading partners with whom we share a continent, including its security, culture and environment is the stupidest idea ever

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Rubbish. Nothing to do with social media.
People are capable of forming opinions based on facts and logic.
I dont need the social media to tell me that turning our backs on our neighbours and biggest trading partners with whom we share a continent, including its security, culture and environment is the stupidest idea ever

You may not need social media for that....but by the love of God and all that is almighty...you need a platform to air your drivel .you're nothing more than a face or a name...chirping pish......


I will go to my grave thinking that Twosugars.

[arista]

[Time to Sleigh]

I hate politics and I'm pretty unknowledgeable about it

However what I do know is that all of Parliament have a responsibility to provide an answer for the citizens of Britain

It's ok for them with their cushy lifestyles their fancy houses and their fancy cars

But what about the rest of us? What impact will brexit have?

Because the thought of new laws being brought in that seem to allow yet another extension to the deadline is wrong

They think the longer they hold it off the better

But do they not realise the impact its already having. I work at a university and they are cutting peoples jobs, they are decreasing our hours, our pay and our holidays as they are not sure when brexit does come into play what impact this will have on money coming into the university in regards to international students

Brexit might not even affect international students but it might so my work are putting the preparation in for it which is having an effect right NOW not having an effect whenever they want to extend the deadline to

The longer the deadline is extended the more uncertainty there is for people and their careers, soon there will have to be cutbacks on health care on the NHS etc

So yes they may all fart around with the whole idiotic ideas of I's to the left and no's to the right

But they were put into their positions for a reason they wanted to be there it is their job it is their responsibility so they need to pull their finger out of their arse and bloody get a shape on!

[Time to Sleigh]

Aside from the parliament can someone tell me what the role of the the Royal family are in making these sorts of decisions too? They just seem to be glorified celebrities going around waving and shaking hands with people and the queen just seems like a posh old lady going around in a car waving at people, that's what my nana does so are they dealing with the situation in any way?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

Aside from the parliament can someone tell me what the role of the the Royal family are in making these sorts of decisions too?

They have no say in it, in fact less than the average Joe because they're supposed to "stay politically neutral".

They just seem to be glorified celebrities going around waving and shaking hands with people and the queen just seems like a posh old lady going around in a car waving at people, that's what my nana does

Pretty much spot on.

so are they dealing with the situation in any way?

No, it's just ceremonial.

[joeysteele]

I, even though I wanted remain.
Can understand the annoyance and frustration of those who say just get it done.

I don't however line up with the view of at any cost.
3 mistakes were made by the PM and government.
One with other Parties support.

That was voting to revoke article 50 too soon.

Then we had a PM who sidelined all other Parties except the DUP.
To negotiate.

Then whipping voting when free votes were a more inclusive way forward.

Once we are out, that is it, even trying to rejoin if the Country wanted to.
Would be really costly and we'd then need to accept the euro too.

So if leaving, at least have the closest and best agreement possible.
Of which no deal, has to be the absolute very worst outcome.

So while delays are frustrating, I would rather have time taken to get as much right as possible.
Take the time now.
Because if chaos does result.
Wishing we had taken more time once out is then way too late.

I'm content to leave but not to rush blindly into more uncertainty and regret.

[arista]

The Queen
does not get political.
The Courts have a View
Nothing has changed, yet.

[arista]

"Once we are out, that is it, even trying to rejoin if the Country wanted to.
Would be really costly and we'd then need to accept the euro too."

Yes we would be out of the EU
no need to return , Joey.
We can trade
and become a better nation.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"Once we are out, that is it, even trying to rejoin if the Country wanted to.
Would be really costly and we'd then need to accept the euro too."

Yes we would be out of the EU
no need to return , Joey.
We can trade
and become a better nation.

If a future population demanded we were again part of the EU.
The political Parties couldn't ignore that.

No matter any election result or even IF a new referendum were held now, even reinforcing the leave vote.

The Nationalist Parties, Greens and particularly the LIb Dems would always be looking for a time to negotiate rejoining.

That is IF there remains such a thing as the United Kingdom or even Great Britain.
As you can't be called either if Scotland ended up voting for independence, after leaving the EU.

[arista]

[Nicky91]

once out of eu, means forever out of eu Joey



you guys better hope you aren't leaving on a disastrous no deal, otherwise there will be only chaos in britain, and arsehole farage shoving it on ''project fear'' again that nonsense of his, it's just realistic thoughts, chaos and food/medicine shortages after a no deal brexit

[arista]

Labour Confusions

[Kazanne]

So much confusion going on now,the yellow hammer papers were put together by remainers so they are obviously going to be biased and trying to scare people into wanting to remain, then the leavers are told they are all 'thick' as they don't understand, no wonder the country is split,plus the money we save from giving to the EU can be put to things we need, we can grow our own food,and we need to remember the EU will try anything to put us off leaving,they need us in some ways,as for Boris supposedly lying to The Queen, surely she has several advisors etc who guide her,unless she is 'thick' aswell, when did we all become so scared as people? whatever happens we will get through it like it or not ,Brexit is just a scapegoat for everything now,either way,we will get food,medicine and all the other things people think we wont,everyone panics over the millennium bug which so called experts said would be catastrophic,what happened? nothing.That's my opinion, I dont need berating for it.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So much confusion going on now,the yellow hammer papers were put together by remainers so they are obviously going to be biased and trying to scare people into wanting to remain, then the leavers are told they are all 'thick' as they don't understand, no wonder the country is split,plus the money we save from giving to the EU can be put to things we need, we can grow our own food,and we need to remember the EU will try anything to put us off leaving,they need us in some ways,as for Boris supposedly lying to The Queen, surely she has several advisors etc who guide her,unless she is 'thick' aswell, when did we all become so scared as people? whatever happens we will get through it like it or not ,Brexit is just a scapegoat for everything now,either way,we will get food,medicine and all the other things people think we wont,everyone panics over the millennium bug which so called experts said would be catastrophic,what happened? nothing.That's my opinion, I dont need berating for it.

both FDA and EMA have left britain for amsterdam, and these were your food and medicine administrations

but if a miracle happens and you guys can create your own medicine, well then there is no need for panic, but as i said it would take a huge miracle to do so

growing own food gets more difficult each year, with the ongoing changing climate

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

both FDA and EMA have left britain for amsterdam, and these were your food and medicine administrations

but if a miracle happens and you guys can create your own medicine, well then there is no need for panic, but as i said it would take a huge miracle to do so

growing own food gets more difficult each year, with the ongoing changing climate

The EU is not the only place we can get medicines there are solutions to everything,we havent always been in the EU and we are still here

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

The EU is not the only place we can get medicines there are solutions to everything,we havent always been in the EU and we are still here

i'm not hoping for any chaos, panic myself, just get this brexit sorted out asap and then onward for you guys making your britain a better nation

leaving with a deal would be good because then you can still maintain some form of trade, also better for the holidays (otherwise with a no deal you guys should also have a eu passport if you want to go on holiday within europe, apart from those countries who aren't in the EU then, the balkan countries mostly)

trade with europe is important, as for import of flowers, wines and our dutch royalties would still want to visit your british royals ofc and vice versa

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So much confusion going on now,the yellow hammer papers were put together by remainers so they are obviously going to be biased and trying to scare people into wanting to remain, then the leavers are told they are all 'thick' as they don't understand, no wonder the country is split,plus the money we save from giving to the EU can be put to things we need, we can grow our own food,and we need to remember the EU will try anything to put us off leaving,they need us in some ways,as for Boris supposedly lying to The Queen, surely she has several advisors etc who guide her,unless she is 'thick' aswell, when did we all become so scared as people? whatever happens we will get through it like it or not ,Brexit is just a scapegoat for everything now,either way,we will get food,medicine and all the other things people think we wont,everyone panics over the millennium bug which so called experts said would be catastrophic,what happened? nothing.That's my opinion, I dont need berating for it.

It wasn't put together by remainers, it was put together by Johnsons cabinet, and not only that, but they doctored this document so it now says it's the worst case scenario, when in fact this is the base scenario. This isn't even the full document as they're still trying to hide even worse stuff from us.

Be pro brexit or anti brexit, but this is a no deal document put together by the people tat are trying to force through a no deal brexit.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It wasn't put together by remainers, it was put together by Johnsons cabinet, and not only that, but they doctored this document so it now says it's the worst case scenario, when in fact this is the base scenario. This isn't even the full document as they're still trying to hide even worse stuff from us.

Be pro brexit or anti brexit, but this is a no deal document put together by the people tat are trying to force through a no deal brexit.

But if it is to force a no deal Brexit Slim,why would Johnson and co try to sabotage it as to leave is what he wants none of us REALLY know whats going on behind closed doors and wasn't Johnsons cabinet mostly remainers ? there are so many media stories floating round it's really hard to believe any of them.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

But if it is to force a no deal Brexit Slim,why would Johnson and co try to sabotage it as to leave is what he wants none of us REALLY know whats going on behind closed doors and wasn't Johnsons cabinet mostly remainers ? there are so mant media stories floating round it's really hard to believe any of them.

The document isn't to force a no deal, the document is to give them a heads up as to what will happen if/when they force a no-deal through. He sabotaged the document (which may be another crime - I'm not sure) to make it look better than their own projections, this is what they expect to happen as a minimum, not a worse case scenario.

No, johnson doesn't have a remain cabinet, and these are government documents to help prepare the country for what happens after a no-deal crash out; whether a remainer or a leaver put them together is irrelevant as they were never made for folks like you or I to see to begin with, so they are not trying to influence a leave or a remain argument.

FOrtunately, documents like this help us see what is actually going on behind closed doors.

This government knows there will be food shortages and price hikes, they know the same with energy and potentially water, they know it will result in medicine shortages, and that the poorest and weakest among us, who've been attacked with austerity for the last decade, will now face another attack.

There are 2 reasons that these people want to inflict such unnecessary pain and harm on its citizenry.

1) Johnsons financial backers have invested £8billion on this scenario

2) EU tax law changes due to arrive early 2020, that won't allow multimillionaires to hide their money offshore anymore and not pay tax on it.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

,everyone panics over the millennium bug which so called experts said would be catastrophic,what happened? nothing.

'Nothing' happened as lots of IT experts worked extremely hard to avoid it, and literally billions was put into avoiding issues. Its not possible to both avert a crisis, and have a crisis at the same time really. I never understand tbh, why people say this of this bug, when the huge huge majority of tech experts agree. Mind, I guess we live in a world these days that should ignore experts. I do wonder how that all would have gone down had the reaction just been 'rargh, just ignore it, scaremongering!' as even with the prep and such, there were nuclear reactors shutting down and stuff..

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So much confusion going on now,the yellow hammer papers were put together by remainers so they are obviously going to be biased and trying to scare people into wanting to remain, then the leavers are told they are all 'thick' as they don't understand, no wonder the country is split,plus the money we save from giving to the EU can be put to things we need, we can grow our own food,and we need to remember the EU will try anything to put us off leaving,they need us in some ways,as for Boris supposedly lying to The Queen, surely she has several advisors etc who guide her,unless she is 'thick' aswell, when did we all become so scared as people? whatever happens we will get through it like it or not ,Brexit is just a scapegoat for everything now,either way,we will get food,medicine and all the other things people think we wont,everyone panics over the millennium bug which so called experts said would be catastrophic,what happened? nothing.That's my opinion, I dont need berating for it.

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