[Tom]

Yes its theft but its no worse now than it was 15 years ago. Its just that technology has moved on, 15 years ago people were taping off the radio.

Personally I think you're a mug if you'll buy music when you can get it for free.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Tom

Personally I think you're a mug if you'll buy music when you can get it for free.

So you don't pay for music at all if you can find it on the internet?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

So you don't pay for music at all if you can find it on the internet?

No. I haven't bought a genuine album for about 10 years. I think its pointless. All my music just ends up on an SD card anyway (MP3 stick before that).

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Tom

No. I haven't bought a genuine album for about 10 years. I think its pointless. All my music just ends up on an SD card anyway (MP3 stick before that).

So you think paying for music is pointless if you can get it for free. So if everybody thought the same, and everybody downloaded stuff for free, do you think we would have half as many artists round as we do today?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

So you think paying for music is pointless if you can get it for free. So if everybody thought the same, and everybody downloaded stuff for free, do you think we would have half as many artists round as we do today?

But everybody doesn't think the same and enough people are foolish enough to still buy music. Plus I prefer digital music, some prefer physical so I don't think it would be all that bad anyway.

[MrGaryy]

according to the Panorama special on illegal downloading, those who illegally download generally spend 60% more on music in a year than those who buy legally. Most illegal downloaders either download to see if an album is worth buying OR will buy it if they feel the artist deserves it anyway. I illegally download **** loads but I say I still spent over 100 pounds on music last year.

still though to be on the safe side
-moves to Ireland-

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

according to the Panorama special on illegal downloading, those who illegally download generally spend 60% more on music in a year than those who buy legally. Most illegal downloaders either download to see if an album is worth buying OR will buy it if they feel the artist deserves it anyway. I illegally download **** loads but I say I still spent over 100 pounds on music last year.

still though to be on the safe side
-moves to Ireland-

Cheers MrG backingup my earlier post, will give you the name of a working hide ip program that will get round the copyright holders being able to see your true IP on fileshare sites etc.

[Patrick]

I just checked my 'Music' folder with all my music downloads since 2008.

In total it says here I have downloaded 839 Illegal Music Tracks LOL
Plus the albums I downloaded which are in a seperate folder lol

[Shaun]

I do buy what I can. Though usually as a side-effect from illegal downloading.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I do buy what I can. Though usually as a side-effect from illegal downloading.

Well Tom would have you down for a fool like the rest of us who spend money on music as he so eloquently puts in his usual patronizing way.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Well Tom would have you down for a fool like the rest of us who spend money on music as he so eloquently puts in his usual patronizing way.

I think Shaun prefers physical music. I see no problem with buying it from HMV or wherever if you prefer that, but I just think its daft that you'll buy something online that you can get for free.

I'm not patronising btw.

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by Tom

I'm not patronising btw.

there's one for the sig.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

there's one for the sig.

LOL!! I could probably take that from anyone else but you're one of the most patronising people on here. Whats so patronising about me?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Tom

I think Shaun prefers physical music. I see no problem with buying it from HMV or wherever if you prefer that, but I just think its daft that you'll buy something online that you can get for free.

I'm not patronising btw.

Some people have a deep rooted interest in music. I'm proud to be able to say 'yeah, I own Revolver, Violator, Dark Side Of The Moon, other classics and stuff'.

I love albums. Not zeros and ones on a computer.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Tom

I think Shaun prefers physical music. I see no problem with buying it from HMV or wherever if you prefer that, but I just think its daft that you'll buy something online that you can get for free.

I'm not patronising btw.

I prefer physical music formats myself. Whether it be CD or vinyl, but I do download too sometimes. And that's my opinion btw. Basically you are calling me a fool for paying for music. That's your opinion too. And what has watching TV online got to do with it? I pay my TV licence as I am sure you do, no?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

I prefer physical music formats myself. Whether it be CD or vinyl, but I do download too sometimes. And that's my opinion btw. Basically you are calling me a fool for paying for music. That's your opinion too. And what has watching TV online got to do with it? I pay my TV licence as I am sure you do, no?

TV license is only so you can watch BBC1-4, CBBC, CBeebies as well as the BBC radio stations and the website. If you're watching something over the internet from another country then thats illegal because its copyrighted and only intended for a specific country, and if its a show like Desperate Housewives that is shown in the UK, those who watch it early over the internet are costing Channel 4 money because the ratings will be lower, so they won't be able to charge as much for adverts. IMO its the same principle. The same goes for films, games, DVDs etc.

And yes, I do pay mine.

[Jords]

Not really, else I would be locked up for it.

I always illegally download my music unless I love that particular artist/album then I will buy the actual CD as I like the fact its something I can hold kinda thing and would want to support them.

I used to use Limewire which was gawd awful but did the job (eventually), but now I use YouTube downloader and its fine imo and uninstalled Limewire, glad I would be safe with that.

I used to download films using uTorrent but havnt for ages, will get rid of it if my internet could get cut off because of it if that law gets passed.

[Tom]

Can I just ask, to those who insist on legally downloading music, do you watch TV shows online?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Tom

Can I just ask, to those who insist on legally downloading music, do you watch TV shows online?

Well I don't legally download, I buy physical albums. Yes, I watch virtually everything online. I don't see the conflict. I have a deep rooted passion for music, my favourite artists, and my favourite albums. I watch telly to have a few laughs when I get stoned. Telly is very much a recreational thing. Music isn't.

For me, at least. But what would I know, I'm a mug.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Well I don't legally download, I buy physical albums. Yes, I watch virtually everything online. I don't see the conflict. I have a deep rooted passion for music, my favourite artists, and my favourite albums. I watch telly to have a few laughs when I get stoned. Telly is very much a recreational thing. Music isn't.

For me, at least. But what would I know, I'm a mug.

If people insist on legally downloading then I think its daft if they'll admit to watching TV shows online, especially if they're shown here in the UK a few months down the line. A lot of their arguments can end up being switched around on themselves. Plus you buy physicals anyway, its not really the same as legal downloading because when you buy a physical CD, its not just the music that you get.

I'd also say that music is just as recreational as TV to a lot of people ...

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Tom

If people insist on legally downloading then I think its daft if they'll admit to watching TV shows online

Not really. They are two different things. Some people are totally gay for an artist and want to support them. I rather physicals myself but each to there own.

Originally Posted by Tom

I'd also say that music is just as recreational as TV to a lot of people ...

Obviously. It's a matter of opinion. I would say the balance *tips* ever so slightly though to music. A lot of people define there lives by music. I doubt as many do by Lost or Desperate Housewives.

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Tom

Can I just ask, to those who insist on legally downloading music, do you watch TV shows online?

Not really.
Like if theres a TV Show that isnt avaidable to watch in the UK.. Like the Real World then I would watch it online.

Same with re-watching BBUK.

Although the only show I really would watch online alot is South Park just because when im annoyed it would make me laugh, and Comedy Central dont put it on to late.

[Shasown]

If you live in the UK and watch or record TV shows in realtime online (thats any sort of TV from any TV station in the world) and you dont have a TV licence for the location where you are watching them, you are breaking the law. Not everyone knows that.

[Harry!]

People do not just buy CD's for the music themselves you know Tom. The artwork and collecting albums by there fave singers is quite inportant for fans.

[Shaun]

*doesn't watch anything online*

Merely because of the quality, the space it would consume and I prefer watching at a pace with which my friends are level.