[arista]

Originally Posted by karezza

Gordon Brown is a national embarrassment - the whole world is laughing at him.

Yes
Fox News
CNN America
ABC News
France24 News
NDTV
CBS News
and every other World News station

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes
Fox News
CNN America
ABC News
France24 News
NDTV
CBS News
and every other World News station

I have to admit I got a great laugh out of it anyway

[arista]

[sooty]

I learnt a new word. "Bigot".

[AndyJK]

Originally Posted by Sticks

The real villains are the media.

This was a private conversation in private.

So it was a sky microphone, they should still not have broadcast it.

suppose Sky News had secretly bugged a party leader to catch their private conversations and then broadcast it? They would be rightly condemmed for this invasion of privacy. This case is no different.

As for the old lady, we do not know what she said to ellicit this reaction. How about turning the spotlight on her?

As for immigration, any student of history will tell you we are all a nation of immigrants from the jutes, picts, normans, saxons and vikings et al. And this country is so much richer for it.

Ah that old chestnut. Yes because the country was so much civilized in those days what with vikings busy raping, killing, pillaging and conquering their way through the country; Normans repressing Saxons, and Saxons oppressing Pics/Celts etc etc yes they all got on so well didnt they. And guess what, 2000 years later and we STILL hate each other which is why we have Scottish, Welsh and Irish nationalist parties who want to split from the rest pf the country.

Its a bull**** argument and you know it.

No one is against immigration. I have emigrated myself. Its the scale and amount of people who have arrived many unskilled and here to claim asylum to abuse a generous benefits system that people are pissed of with. And I know first hand due to my contacts in the health industry who have to deal with asylum seekers getting pregnant purely to get a passport to remain here.

Come down to the capital and see the effects yourself. You dont live in the real world.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by AndyJK

Ah that old chestnut. Yes because the country was so much civilized in those days what with vikings busy raping, killing, pillaging and conquering their way through the country; Normans repressing Saxons, and Saxons oppressing Pics/Celts etc etc yes they all got on so well didnt they. And guess what, 2000 years later and we STILL hate each other which is why we have Scottish, Welsh and Irish nationalist parties who want to split from the rest pf the country.

Its a bull**** argument and you know it.

No one is against immigration. I have emigrated myself. Its the scale and amount of people who have arrived many unskilled and here to claim asylum to abuse a generous benefits system that people are pissed of with. And I know first hand due to my contacts in the health industry who have to deal with asylum seekers getting pregnant purely to get a passport to remain here.

Come down to the capital and see the effects yourself. You dont live in the real world.

I'm not sure where you're coming from on this. Illegal immigrants mostly come to the country to be employed as slave labour by criminals, because it is still a step above the conditions they would have lived in previously. Others arrive as prostitutes and drug dealers. Preventing their entry into the UK isn't a matter of "tough policies" or standing up to "political correctness". Unilaterally speaking, the biggest threat posed by illegal immigration would benefit fraud as a result of being an undeclared worker. Not only is benefit fraud common among the indigenous population, it is also a significantly smaller fiscal cost to the governent than say... income tax evasion.

As for asylum seekers, I think it's worth mentioning that you actually need to be a British citizen to to claim any sort of benefit. I doubt very many asylum seekers make it beyond the stage of refugee camps anyway.

Of course there is the question of EU laws and freedom of movement. But shouldn't the question be "how can customs be so ineffective in tackling illegal immigration" rather than "since when were so many of these brown people able to get into our country?". And isn't this just what it boils down to regarding a lot of people's feelings on the matter? You pretend you are "not against immigration" all the while making out the idea that Britain is a country of immigrants to be a "bull**** argument".

[*mazedsalv**]

This made me laugh so much. What a plonker.
We were analysing this in Media today and how different newspapers view it differently, with some calling his act disgusting and some saying that he feels bad about it.

But seriously, how embarassing. You got to admit it, we have all said something bad about someone before, but just imagine it being shown in front of millions whilst saying it. LOL at his radio interview. He put his foot in it.

That would have lost him the election for sure.

[AndyJK]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

I'm not sure where you're coming from on this. Illegal immigrants mostly come to the country to be employed as slave labour by criminals, because it is still a step above the conditions they would have lived in previously. Others arrive as prostitutes and drug dealers. Preventing their entry into the UK isn't a matter of "tough policies" or standing up to "political correctness". Unilaterally speaking, the biggest threat posed by illegal immigration would benefit fraud as a result of being an undeclared worker. Not only is benefit fraud common among the indigenous population, it is also a significantly smaller fiscal cost to the governent than say... income tax evasion.

As for asylum seekers, I think it's worth mentioning that you actually need to be a British citizen to to claim any sort of benefit. I doubt very many asylum seekers make it beyond the stage of refugee camps anyway.

Of course there is the question of EU laws and freedom of movement. But shouldn't the question be "how can customs be so ineffective in tackling illegal immigration" rather than "since when were so many of these brown people able to get into our country?". And isn't this just what it boils down to regarding a lot of people's feelings on the matter? You pretend you are "not against immigration" all the while making out the idea that Britain is a country of immigrants to be a "bull**** argument".

Wait, firstly I don't "pretend" to be not against immigration so don't put words in to my mouth. I am against the system being abused. Plain and simple. Secondly who said anything about "brown people?" Certainly not I.

As for my argument with Sticks, I never said "Britain is a country of immigrants" to be "a "bull**** argument". I said using immigration during the dark ages, like vikings and such, to use as an argument to stop people questioning immigration today is wrong. The argument is not about immigration per sa, it is about the numbers of people coming here, whether we need and can accommodate them.

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

As for asylum seekers, I think it's worth mentioning that you actually need to be a British citizen to to claim any sort of benefit. I doubt very many asylum seekers make it beyond the stage of refugee camps anyway.

A single person claiming asylum gets Ł35.00 per week allowance, plus accommodation and other benefit entitlements depending on their circumstances. You are wrong as some asylum seekers can claim more benefits depending how much they have contributed to the system.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by sooty

I learnt a new word. "Bigot".

Bigot yourself

DJ's say it all the time

that and shout out

[sooty]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Bigot yourself

DJ's say it all the time

that and shout out

[eye sea]

Big gut in Brown's case.

Every night when he takes his corset off.

[arista]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...change-PM.html



Pathetic Brown stayed with Gillian
far to long over 45mins infact,
He was trying to get her outside with him.


He has lost her Vote
and she is going to stay in Canada, for a while.


One Eyed Scottish Brown
the Home Wrecker.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by arista

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...change-PM.html



Pathetic Brown stayed with Gillian
far to long over 45mins infact,
He was trying to get her outside with him.


He has lost her Vote
and she is going to stay in Canada, for a while.


One Eyed Scottish Brown
the Home Wrecker.

He really does just lurch from one disaster to another - I reckon he's the Conservative Party's secret weapon!