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StGeorge · 09-07-2010, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

But some conflicts are more important & justified than others. The conflict in N.Ireland wasnt protecting the country, I dont think so anyway. I dont think he was fighting for freedom there at all, on the contrary, I think we have no right to occupy Northern Ireland.

In fact most recent wars; in Iraq, N.Ireland, the Falklands, maybe even Afghanistan werent really protecting Britain, and werent really beneficial to us as a country

Instead of coming on a reality show website forum and talking utter rubbish, I think you should use your time more and research why and what all those conflicts were about, how they started, why they started, and when they started.

The recent NI conflict may of started in the 70s when the troops went in to protect the catholics, but the underlying fued has been going on long before any of us were even born. We dont occupy NI....it was divided by agreement in 1921. I dont agree with the IRA, but i also dont agree with the way Ireland was divided. It was a ballsup and inevitable that conflict would rise. It's happened in Germany, Vietnam, and is happening now in Korea. Division causes problems if certain peoples are caught or trapped on the wrong side.
But personally i think the modern Irish on both sides have had enough and deserve to be left to work it out together without interferance from the UK mainland and a poxy BB forum.

Falklands?? Jeez get an eucation for christs sake. Those islanders ARE BLOODY BRITISH.

Learn about the policies of Al Quaeda before you even think to question why we are in Afghan.

Livia · 09-07-2010, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by StGeorge

Instead of coming on a reality show website forum and talking utter rubbish, I think you should use your time more and research why and what all those conflicts were about, how they started, why they started, and when they started.... etc. etc. etc.

Hey St. G.

I'm not sure they allow people on this thread who know what they're taking about. Nice to see something sensible.

StGeorge · 09-07-2010, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

It's not obvious, he may have been saying that Britain and France could have avoided having to declare war on Germany, and that it wasnt neccesarily the correct thing to do

And concentration camps existed yes, but they were really forced labour camps, they were not converted into extermination camps until the Wansee conference of 1942, and that was only after other options had been considered (deporting Jews to Madagascar for instance, or forcing them to work in war industries). It came about because of the war as the situation of the Jews became increasingly problematic for the Nazis at this time, having gained 3 million Jews from the invasion of Poland and 3 million from the invasion of Russia. They had no idea what to do with the Jews so the Holocaust was a way out of a blind alley for them. Thats why I say it came about as a result of war

But anyway, this is not a discussion on the Holocaust, I just dont think Ben should be portrayed as being an advocate of ignoring genocide

It might not be a discusion on the Holocaust, but when you make statements that cloud the truth then you leave us no choice but to respond, as there are some out there who may actually believe this view.
Here is a quote from wiki:
Prior to the beginning of World War II, during a speech given on January 30, 1939 (the six year anniversary of his accession to power), Hitler foretold the coming Holocaust of European Jewry when he said:

"Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!"

You may also want to look up the pogrom against German Jews on Kristallnacht 10th November 1938. Prior to the outbreak of WW2.

StGeorge · 09-07-2010, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Hey St. G.

I'm not sure they allow people on this thread who know what they're taking about. Nice to see something sensible.

Thanks Livia. When i had just left school and about to sign up, the Falklands happened....as i was underage, my parents refused to let me join so i was well peeved....i had never heard of the Falklands and thought "WTF has that got to do with us" Didnt have the internet then, but it didnt take long to educate myself to the truth. I made a point of doing just that to all these conflicts prior to spouting off about it.
I was dumb....but i learned. I just wish others would do the same as there are young kids who's minds get fogged up with inaccurate data.

bansheewails · 09-07-2010, 07:26 PM

I haven't seen enough of the arguement between Ben and Steve to comment on what either said. I will have to wait until the high lights and hope they show the whole thing and not just selected pieces. I won't hold my breath tho.

StGeorge · 09-07-2010, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bansheewails

I haven't seen enough of the arguement between Ben and Steve to comment on what either said. I will have to wait until the high lights and hope they show the whole thing and not just selected pieces. I won't hold my breath tho.

They showed a preview clip on last nights HLs so it will be on. I hope they dont edit it too much.
By all accounts Ben was just questioning the policies involved prior to entering the war and maybe there could of been other ways. Although i disagree with him, i think Steves suggestion(alledged) that only soldiers and politicians can comment on wars, is so so wrong.

Livia · 09-07-2010, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by StGeorge

Thanks Livia. When i had just left school and about to sign up, the Falklands happened....

I'd only heard of the Falklands because I knew someone who's brother served there briefly in the Royal Marines. I remember someone saying they thought the Falklands were off Scotland! Anyhoo... it's hard to keep on topic when there is so much inaccuracy written so carelessly.

bansheewails · 09-07-2010, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by StGeorge

They showed a preview clip on last nights HLs so it will be on. I hope they dont edit it too much.
By all accounts Ben was just questioning the policies involved prior to entering the war and maybe there could of been other ways. Although i disagree with him, i think Steves suggestion(alledged) that only soldiers and politicians can comment on wars, is so so wrong.

I can see were Steve is coming from, as soldiers are trained to obey without questioning. Ben casing doubts on his or other army orders could cause Steve upset as he has been injured doing something that HE sees as the right thing. Of course that would be upseting to him, but Ben should have his opinion, even if I sometimes think that he should express himself in a more tactful way.

, or even think before opening his giant mouth and jumping in with both feet!

bigbutchman · 09-07-2010, 07:41 PM

Ben is gay, gay is against god, god created adam and eve, not adam and steve

StGeorge · 09-07-2010, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bansheewails

I can see were Steve is coming from, as soldiers are trained to obey without questioning. Ben casing doubts on his or other army orders could cause Steve upset as he has been injured doing something that HE sees as the right thing. Of course that would be upseting to him, but Ben should have his opinion, even if I sometimes think that he should express himself in a more tactful way.

, or even think before opening his giant mouth and jumping in with both feet!

Ben tactful????

I think it's his foot-in-mouth moments that actually make him funny at times. But he is a pompus twat.