[Beastie]

As a housemate Steve is dull.

I want Keeva out next week. Steve out the week after.

[Vicky.]

Some of the posts in here are ridiculous.

Also, mojonixen is banned for his stupid assumptions and insults in general.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Some of the posts in here are ridiculous.

Also, mojonixen is banned for his stupid assumptions and insults in general.

Lol.

[Beastie]

Steve has done well.. well he is a good role model and that.. fighting for our country.. okay he may not be a hero.. but he is a brave honourable person!

However as a housemate.. MEH.

But.. when he is evicted.. he deserves to be cheered!!

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by thebeast

Steve has done well.. well he is a good role model and that.. fighting for our country.. okay he may not be a hero.. but he is a brave honourable person!

However as a housemate.. MEH.

But.. when he is evicted.. he deserves to be cheered!!

If there is one thing he is not, it's a role model. He's behaved terribly in there, nothing he's done in that house should be admired or looked up to. I don;t see why he should leave to cheers as opposed to anyone else.

[Vicky.]

His life outside the house has nothing to do with it.

Did everyone say makosi should be cheered, because she was a nurse? No.

I do not see any reason why, whatever they have done before BB should come into it, we judge them as housemates, and thats it.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

His life outside the house has nothing to do with it.

Did everyone say makosi should be cheered, because she was a nurse? No.

I do not see any reason why, whatever they have done before BB should come into it, we judge them as housemates, and thats it.

Well said.

The OP is being disengenuous to say the least. If you wanna criticise his house behaviour then STICK TO THAT. Don't mix it in with stuff about him being a war hero.

Personally I just think he's a dull HM. I don't think he's done anything terrible or disgusting. He's been quite restrained in truth. Too restrained probably.

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Well said.

The OP is being disengenuous to say the least. If you wanna criticise his house behaviour then STICK TO THAT. Don't mix it in with stuff about him being a war hero.

Personally I just think he's a dull HM. I don't think he's done anything terrible or disgusting. He's been quite restrained in truth. Too restrained probably.

OH MY ****ING GOD. Are you purposely not reading what I say or what? Because I've explained so. many. times. now that this thread was not judging Steve as a housemate it was just to dispel these illusions of heroism that people use when they are judging him. And if you can;t understand that after what, four posts clearly explaining it to you then I don't know what I can say.

[luvJJ]

Steve walked past a bomb when he was 19 years old. He is now 41. He has overcome adversity, but has also lived off the state and rested on his laurels for 22 years, ie the majority of his life.

In my eyes, a true hero (who was unable to work due to the longstanding effect of injuries sustained as a teenager) would have thrown himself into voluntary work, done something to inspire others, something creative or worthwhile, given his time and experience to a worthy cause, ie achieved something other than spending an army pension and hundreds of thousands of pounds of state benefits on tattoos and working out.

Harsh? Yes.
True? Yes.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by luvJJ

Steve walked past a bomb when he was 19 years old. He is now 41. He has overcome adversity, but has also lived off the state and rested on his laurels for 22 years, ie the majority of his life.

In my eyes, a true hero (who was unable to work due to the longstanding effect of injuries sustained as a teenager) would have thrown himself into voluntary work, done something to inspire others, something creative or worthwhile, given his time and experience to a worthy cause, ie achieved something other than spending an army pension and hundreds of thousands of pounds of state benefits on tattoos and working out.

Harsh? Yes.
True? Yes.

so travelling the country talking to seriously injured servicemen helping with their rehabilitation and showing them that they do have a future ahead of them a life that they can rebuild isnt a worthy cause?
your post is at the very least very ill informed not to mention irrelevant to big brother.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bobnot

so travelling the country talking to seriously injured servicemen helping with their rehabilitation and showing them that they do have a future ahead of them a life that they can rebuild isnt a worthy cause?
your post is at the very least very ill informed not to mention irrelevant to big brother.

I agree. These threads questioning what does or does not make a hero are getting a bit tiresome.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This basically, I respect the man for rebuilding and making the most of his life but he is an awful HM.

Originally Posted by luvJJ

Steve walked past a bomb when he was 19 years old. He is now 41. He has overcome adversity, but has also lived off the state and rested on his laurels for 22 years, ie the majority of his life.

In my eyes, a true hero (who was unable to work due to the longstanding effect of injuries sustained as a teenager) would have thrown himself into voluntary work, done something to inspire others, something creative or worthwhile, given his time and experience to a worthy cause, ie achieved something other than spending an army pension and hundreds of thousands of pounds of state benefits on tattoos and working out.

Harsh? Yes.
True? Yes.

An awful lot of assumptions being made there - how do you know whether or not he has done any voluntary work over the past 22 years and how do you know when his tatoos were done! Also maybe his wife works and he looks after the children, nothing wrong with that!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by luvJJ

Steve walked past a bomb when he was 19 years old. He is now 41. He has overcome adversity, but has also lived off the state and rested on his laurels for 22 years, ie the majority of his life.

In my eyes, a true hero (who was unable to work due to the longstanding effect of injuries sustained as a teenager) would have thrown himself into voluntary work, done something to inspire others, something creative or worthwhile, given his time and experience to a worthy cause, ie achieved something other than spending an army pension and hundreds of thousands of pounds of state benefits on tattoos and working out.

Harsh? Yes.
True? Yes.

Glad to see you looked into his life after his medical discharge from the service.

In fact he would have received a full medical pension, pretty much equivalent to his wages at the time. As was his due.

However since that time he has raised many thousands if of pounds for various service charities including Help for Heroes. As well as organising, running and raising support for his local disabled basketball team he also sailed across the Atlantic raising funds for service charities.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Glad to see you looked into his life after his medical discharge from the service.

In fact he would have received a full medical pension, pretty much equivalent to his wages at the time. As was his due.

However since that time he has raised many thousands if of pounds for various service charities including Help for Heroes. As well as organising, running and raising support for his local disabled basketball team he also sailed across the Atlantic raising funds for service charities.

Glad to see someone knows what they are talking about!

[brian3]

Steve more than any of the other HM would want to be judged on his personality, and would not want people not to vote for him because of his disabilty.

[billy123]

Im failing to see any relevance to big brother or how this thread is in any way constructive it would be better locked.

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Im failing to see any relevance to big brother or how this thread is in any way constructive it would be better locked.

We're debating whether or not he should be considered a war hero, something that many Big Brother viewers, forum members and even the presenters and housemates themselves have called him. I don't see why it should be locked?

[Possiblehousemate]

most pointless housemate ever award.

[vivsgirl]

Yep, agreed - Steve was a guy who chose to join the British Army (which I do not believe automatically makes him a 'hero' in itself), and was desperately unlucky. This DOES NOT make him a hero, OR necessarily worthy of any more respect than, e.g. the victim of a car crash. Worthy of sympathy, yes, but respect ? Mm...not sure. Furthermore, I personally do not particularly admire the way he has dealt with what happened to him - ANYONE who chooses to have EIGHT children in this day in age and then call themselves 'Big Daddy' is 1) incredibly selfish and 2) an idiot.
Oh yeah, and he's boring as hell as a housemate - I just hope he doesn't win.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by vivsgirl

Yep, agreed - Steve was a guy who chose to join the British Army (which I do not believe automatically makes him a 'hero' in itself), and was desperately unlucky. This DOES NOT make him a hero, OR necessarily worthy of any more respect than, e.g. the victim of a car crash. Worthy of sympathy, yes, but respect ? Mm...not sure. Furthermore, I personally do not particularly admire the way he has dealt with what happened to him - ANYONE who chooses to have EIGHT children in this day in age and then call themselves 'Big Daddy' is 1) incredibly selfish and 2) an idiot.
Oh yeah, and he's boring as hell as a housemate - I just hope he doesn't win.

Anyone who signs up for a dangerous job deserves respect! And as long as he supports his children - it is nobody else's business how many he has!

[vivsgirl]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Anyone who signs up for a dangerous job deserves respect! And as long as he supports his children - it is nobody else's business how many he has!

It is EVERYBODYS business when someone decides to have 8 kids - can you imagine what would happen if ALL families decided to have as many kids as this? Have you noticed what is happening to our planet recently? To make a comment like this, you must be really ignorant about the environmental impact of having loads of children - I don't mean to be insulting, it's just basic common sense - my 6 year old understands why huge families are not a good idea in this day and age. (And do you know for a fact that Steve has not claimed government support to help raise all these children? - Though that is not the issue......).

[Livia]

Originally Posted by vivsgirl

It is EVERYBODYS business when someone decides to have 8 kids - can you imagine what would happen if ALL families decided to have as many kids as this? Have you noticed what is happening to our planet recently? To make a comment like this, you must be really ignorant about the environmental impact of having loads of children - I don't mean to be insulting, it's just basic common sense - my 6 year old understands why huge families are not a good idea in this day and age. (And do you know for a fact that Steve has not claimed government support to help raise all these children? - Though that is not the issue......).

This is going to come as a shock to you... but no, it isn't any of your business how many kids he's got. This is not China.

[vivsgirl]

Originally Posted by Livia

This is going to come as a shock to you... but no, it isn't any of your business how many kids he's got. THis is not China.

If selfish, ignorant people like Steve continue to have 8 kids, the UK may need to think about enforcing laws like China - it's not beyond the beyond. I'm not going to get on a soapbox here, but you need to do a bit of research and get some facts right. I maintain - if a person decides to have umpteen children, it concerns EVERYONE (even those thousands of miles away who've never even heard of Big Brother). If you are unable to see that, you must have a very small mind.

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Anyone who signs up for a dangerous job deserves respect! And as long as he supports his children - it is nobody else's business how many he has!

So by that logic, a stunt man deserves respect also? or a dare devil? or a rally driver? Have balls or blind faith does not command respect. In fact more often than not it's out of sheer stupidity rather than bravery.

[as90]

He is a hero to us British, obviously he won't be to the irish.