[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by lostalex

coming from a country that has a hereditary monarchy, i don't think it's Me that needs to worry about selective memory.

Give me a ring when yu get rid of your national church, hereditary head of state, and completely undemocratic upper house of lords.

Don't act like yur history is anything but a fiction plzzz. Is there any official historical document older than 50 years that was written by anyone democratically elected in England? NOPE.

so if you wanna talk about selective history...

You don't know anything about the UK if you think the Royal Family or the Church has any sort of real power over how the country is run these days. l suggest you stop watching The Tudors for any insight into our modern day politics systems The house of Commons are the ones that proposes most actions, Also the House of Lords is hardly hereditory based any more, only 91 out of 700 and odd are there because of their heredity.

The rest of your post is rather silly, we've had elections for more then 50 years so that point is rather....pointless.

Originally Posted by lostalex

i'm sorry, maybe i'm confused. How do you know if someone is intruding your house for yur material posessions or to kill you?

Do they announce themselves, and once they do announce themselves, that then gives them the right to continue robbing you???

That, I thought, would be obvious. If a burglar is going to rob you in the night then they're gonna play it safe, they won't go anywhere near any bedrooms for fear of waking someone up, the only time you hear about violent burglars is when they're confronted. A murderer on the other hand would obviously be less concerned so you'd hear them upstairs (given that this scenairio is based around being aware of an intruder in you house I'm guessing the same would apply to a murderer). I'd act cautiously but I'd act if someone was approaching the bedrooms but if they stuck to the downstairs, let them carry on. You can get possessions back on insurance. Better that then die on the edge of a knife over an iPod.

[King Gizzard]

If a bastard is in my house and I catch him, I am going to twat him over the head with a hardback book

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

ROFLMFHAO

You posted that with a straight face?

yup. i know you british think you can smirk off everything, but it's really not cute anymore.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You don't know anything about the UK if you think the Royal Family or the Church has any sort of real power over how the country is run these days.

ummm, then if they have no power, why are you still paying taxes to them? just for fun? lol

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by lostalex

ummm, then if they have no power, why are you still paying taxes to them? just for fun? lol

Because they are traditional institutions, nothing more. Neither of them can really change how the country is run.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

yup. i know you british think you can smirk off everything, but it's really not cute anymore.

I know, your lack of knowledge isnt cute anymore, I am just glad you can see it. I am starting to feel embarrassed for you actually.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Shasown

I know, your lack of knowledge isnt cute anymore, I am just glad you can see it. I am starting to feel embarrassed for you actually.

I started to feel the same when he said that the USA were the most powerful country in the history of the world

[Niall]

I would only use violence if someone attacked me first. Self defence basically.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

I know, your lack of knowledge isnt cute anymore, I am just glad you can see it. I am starting to feel embarrassed for you actually.

my lack of knowledge about what? os far it seems i know more about yur political system than most of yur actual citizens.

Still waiting for a good excuse for why every british citizen, including athiests, muslims, hindu's etc, are paying taxes to support yur national CHRISTIAN church. If i was muslim, hindu or athiest,i'd be pretty upset about that.

But i guess because it's "tradition", that makes it okay...?

Thank gawd for separation of church and state in the USA.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

my lack of knowledge about what? os far it seems i know more about yur political system than most of yur actual citizens.

Still waiting for a good excuse for why every british citizen, including athiests, muslims, hindu's etc, are paying taxes to support yur national CHRISTIAN church. If i was muslim, hindu or athiest,i'd be pretty upset about that.

But i guess because it's "tradition", that makes it okay...?

Thank gawd for separation of church and state in the USA.

Your lack of knowledge about pretty much everything.

Take for example your comment about tax supporting the Church of England


Income for the Church of England:

Around three-quarters (£750 million) comes from worshippers in the parishes. Over the past five years, parishes have increased their giving by around £100 million to meet increased ministry and pension costs.

Across the Church, regular, tax-efficient giving rose by nearly 50% in the five years between 1999 and 2004.

Today:

•over £200 million is given tax-efficiently each year through Gift Aid and a further £60 million is recovered from the Inland Revenue in tax;
•£200 million is given in cash and donations by congregations and visitors;
•£250 million is raised through legacies, special events, the letting of church halls, bookstalls, fundraising and parish magazines etc.
Around 15 per cent (over £160 million) comes from the Church Commissioners who manage assets of £4.4 billion (at the end of 2008) on behalf of the Church:

In addition, income for the Church of England is generated from:

•£50 million through income on reserve funds in parishes;
•£50 million through income on reserves in dioceses and cathedrals;
•£30 million from fees paid for weddings, funerals and chaplaincies.

http://www.cofe.anglican.org/info/funding/


So what proportion of that comes from everyone who pays taxes?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Your lack of knowledge about pretty much everything.

Take for example your comment about tax supporting the Church of England


Income for the Church of England:

Around three-quarters (£750 million) comes from worshippers in the parishes. Over the past five years, parishes have increased their giving by around £100 million to meet increased ministry and pension costs.

Across the Church, regular, tax-efficient giving rose by nearly 50% in the five years between 1999 and 2004.

Today:

•over £200 million is given tax-efficiently each year through Gift Aid and a further £60 million is recovered from the Inland Revenue in tax;
•£200 million is given in cash and donations by congregations and visitors;
•£250 million is raised through legacies, special events, the letting of church halls, bookstalls, fundraising and parish magazines etc.
Around 15 per cent (over £160 million) comes from the Church Commissioners who manage assets of £4.4 billion (at the end of 2008) on behalf of the Church:

In addition, income for the Church of England is generated from:

•£50 million through income on reserve funds in parishes;
•£50 million through income on reserves in dioceses and cathedrals;
•£30 million from fees paid for weddings, funerals and chaplaincies.

http://www.cofe.anglican.org/info/funding/


So what proportion of that comes from everyone who pays taxes?

does the church of englnd pay property taxes on it's land the same as all other religious buildings???

no they don't, therefore they are subsidized by the STATE (aka, the british TAX payer)

why are muslim, and hindus paying property taxes on their places of worship, but state churches don't?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

does the church of englnd pay property taxes on it's land the same as all other religious buildings???

no they don't, therefore they are subsidized by the STATE (aka, the british TAX payer)

why are muslim, and hindus paying property taxes on their places of worship, but state churches don't?

Oh and what property taxes do muslims hindus etc pay?

Would you like some fries with that order of foot in mouth?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Oh and what property taxes do muslims hindus etc pay?

Would you like some fries with that order of foot in mouth?

whatever. the fact that i got this far without you realizing i was making it up as i was going along says more about you, then about me.

lol

Keep on defending yur National Church dude. it's funny.

['Conor]

well if he pointed a gun at my friend or relative, id defo inflict violence on him?

[MojoNixon]

From Police Squad (Lesile Nielsen TV series) : "Roses are red, violets are blue, sugar is sweet, I'm gonna break your face!"

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by 'Conor

well if he pointed a gun at my friend or relative, id defo inflict violence on him?

Guns are funny old things, if it is pointed at someone its best not to interfere with the person holding it. Unless of course you can be certain it isnt ready to fire. Or it isnt pointed at anyone.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

whatever. the fact that i got this far without you realizing i was making it up as i was going along says more about you, then about me.

lol

Keep on defending yur National Church dude. it's funny.

Yes it says I know what I am talking about and you know next to jack.

Oh and I am not defending anything just showing you the error of your beliefs and correcting your ignorance.

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by 'Conor

well if he pointed a gun at my friend or relative, id defo inflict violence on him?

Sam Peckinpah : "True pacifism is the finest form of manliness. But if a man comes up to you and cuts your hand off, you don't just offer him the other one. Not if you want to go on playing the piano, you don't."

['Conor]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Guns are funny old things, if it is pointed at someone its best not to interfere with the person holding it. Unless of course you can be certain it isnt ready to fire. Or it isnt pointed at anyone.

Good point never thought about that actually

[arista]

Originally Posted by InOne

I think I'm impulsively violent, but if there is a chance to calm the situation I would.

You Need a Female Doctor
To Sort You Out.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by arista

You Need a Female Doctor
To Sort You Out.

Surely a nurse could give him a hand in an emergency?

[InOne]

['Conor]

[Kerry]

Speaking as someone who was domestically abused for years I don't condone it. I never retaliated. Never could. Even having being hopitalised. I never felt the urge to fight him, just protect myself until it was over

I've been in two fights as a kid. Kid stuff. If you could call one a fight. I just kicked her up the arse...

As for defending my family I'd kill for them if I needed to. Self defence is self explanitory. You do fight for your life

Fighting for fights sake, like football violence for example - no. Walk away