[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by MTVN

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13313201

Great, so now the evidence we have is the government's word and an alleged al Qaeda statement posted in a "jihad forum". Well, it was from a poster who claimed he was al qaeda so it must be al qaeda. There's no way anyone in government would set up a fake account and claim to be al qaeda and anyone who thinks such a thing was possible is most likely a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy nut. Case closed, me thinks.

Look, MTVN, I know in your mind this is credible evidence but it's just not good enough. I'm tempted (though I think I might get into trouble) to get a new user name called Alqaeda and post a thread which "confirms" his death.

Maybe you should examine this quote from the Washington Post dated May 25, 2010.

The [CIA's Office of Technical Services] actually did make a video purporting to show Osama bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys, one of the former CIA officers recalled, chuckling at the memory. The actors were drawn from “some of us darker-skinned employees,” he said.

A credible newspaper reporting that the CIA made a fake bin Laden video tape. Far more credible and worthy of attention than a statement from an internet forum does, me thinks. So you tell me: would a group that faked a bin Laden tape be beneath posting fake internet statments?

Does this have any affect on you? Does that change your standards for evidence in believing bin Laden died in the manner described in any way at all? They're admitting to faking video evidence. I'd wager diamond to dollar that this little bit of information I've just given you, free of charge, is goint to go in one ear and out the other.

To be honest, the credibility of the government is so bad that the only thing that could confirm bin Laden's death is possession of his body and allowing the media to examine it unedited. And they say they ditched the body. Brilliant.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Great, so now the evidence we have is the government's word and an alleged al Qaeda statement posted in a "jihad forum". Well, it was from a poster who claimed he was al qaeda so it must be al qaeda. There's no way anyone in government would set up a fake account and claim to be al qaeda and anyone who thinks such a thing was possible is most likely a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy nut. Case closed, me thinks.

Look, MTVN, I know in your mind this is credible evidence but it's just not good enough. I'm tempted (though I think I might get into trouble) to get a new user name called Alqaeda and post a thread which "confirms" his death.

Maybe you should examine this quote from the Washington Post dated May 25, 2010.



A credible newspaper reporting that the CIA made a fake bin Laden video tape. Far more credible and worthy of attention than a statement from an internet forum does, me thinks. So you tell me: would a group that faked a bin Laden tape be beneath posting fake internet statments?

Does this have any affect on you? Does that change your standards for evidence in believing bin Laden died in the manner described in any way at all? They're admitting to faking video evidence. I'd wager diamond to dollar that this little bit of information I've just given you, free of charge, is goint to go in one ear and out the other.

To be honest, the credibility of the government is so bad that the only thing that could confirm bin Laden's death is possession of his body and allowing the media to examine it unedited. And they say they ditched the body. Brilliant.

I love how, by thinking you're this enlightened genius, you try and be all condescending but just end up making ridiculous statements and claims. Sure, the statements authenticity is not yet confirmed but it was posted on a jihadist website where Al Qaeda have often released messages. It's just ridiculous for you to say that you creating an Al Qaeda account would be anyway near as credible evidence. I think, if it was a fake statement, Al Qaeda would have already refuted it by now dont you?

That article is just stupid, it reads like it's designed to take the piss, as if any of those vidoes would actually have been made in all seriousness by the CIA. The irnoy is of course, with you conspiracy nuts, is that you criticise others for occasionally believeing what the government says - when there is nothing to prove the contrary - yet you then lap up every absurd theory that comes your way, and start preaching it like it's gospel. I know your a big fan of Ron Paul so hate government and, seemingly by extension, everything that it does or says, but try and be objective for a minute. You'd already decided it was a conspiracy from the moment the news broke.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I love how, by thinking you're this enlightened genius, you try and be all condescending but just end up making ridiculous statements and claims. Sure, the statements authenticity is not yet confirmed but it was posted on a jihadist website where Al Qaeda have often released messages. It's just ridiculous for you to say that you creating an Al Qaeda account would be anyway near as credible evidence. I think, if it was a fake statement, Al Qaeda would have already refuted it by now dont you?

That article is just stupid, it reads like it's designed to take the piss, as if any of those vidoes would actually have been made in all seriousness by the CIA. The irnoy is of course, with you conspiracy nuts, is that you criticise others for occasionally believeing what the government says - when there is nothing to prove the contrary - yet you then lap up every absurd theory that comes your way, and start preaching it like it's gospel. I know your a big fan of Ron Paul so hate government and, seemingly by extension, everything that it does or says, but try and be objective for a minute. You'd already decided it was a conspiracy from the moment the news broke.

Well it's a conspiracy either way. A conspiracy is where two or more people plan to do something surreptitiously. I'd say the killing of Osama (if true) is a conspiracy as the people who did it conspired to do murder. Would you disagree?

Secondly, I knew it was certainly a lie when they said they buried his body at sea. Before then I decided to withhold judgement and see what evidence or proof they would provide the public. They've given us nothing. When there is no evidence the appropriate thing to do is judge based upon history and the integrity of the people involved. History tends to suggest that it is all a fairy tale. And just about every campaign promise by Obama has not only been a lie but a spectacular lie. The man has no integrity. I've actually seen Obama give a campaign speech and got a touch of his hand. I can't comprehend how every four years we go through this ritual where they say they're going to do something, go around shake people's hands, and then completely backtrack once in office.

And, yeah, I'm a big fan of Ron Paul. If you demand integrity in a politician, you have to like him almost by default. Last election I donated hundreds of dollars to his campaign and I've made several youtube videos supporting him, two of which had the honor of making it onto his main campaign website, and one video I made currently has over a quarter of a million views. It's called The George Bush You Forgot, which gives credance to Ron Paul's claim that he's running on George Bush 2000's foreign policy. You may want to have a look...

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I don't hate government. I hate unconstitutional bloated government. Just about every government department or institution, no matter how noble or well-intentioned it starts out, ultimately ends up being a tool used to serve the powerful and well-connected. And, that being the case, if want to help the poor and powerless you ought to be in favor of reducing the size and scope of governmental power over our lives. That's what I believe, crazy or not.