[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Ammi

This is the problem with not having livefeed...broken record....
I just watched Heaven on BBOT's again and there didn't seem to be any way you could misinterpret what she said.....but she didn't seem particularly bothered by it.....and did go on to say she liked him.....
From the H.L show's...I haven't noticed any animosity coming from the other housemates..in fact he's seemed popular...and yet, by anyone's standards that would cause revulsion......it's all......very puzzling....
As for the newspapers, I wouldn't think they could report it unless it had been confirmed...surely that could be libel

I thought that they might be able to just quote Heaven on BOTS though or say something like "Twitter/Facebook/etc. is awash with rumours about..." without actually claiming it was true but maybe not, I'm not really too sure how that sort of stuff works

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Urgh, I wasn't saying that it was a joke or a story, merely pointing out the fact that a) we have no specific account of what happened b) it doesn't seem to have disgusted any of the house mates or changed their opinion of him which is strange and c) the only place you'll find people care about this is on BB forums, not one single website or tabloid has reported it which is also strange

Its easy to edit it out...(again the LF thing)

Any convo that mentioned it just wouldnt be shown. Some housemaes have been a bit off with him too for a while...and the rest probably just put it down to him being disgusting in general. I would imagine a kick off about it when it happened and then just bitching between groups afterwards, again easy to edit out.



Seperately for people saying it might have been a prank...BB would have DELIGHTED int showing us a prank like that. Especially given that it involved Jay. If it had been a prank, it would have been shown...theres no doubt in my mind about that.

[bblover2]

whats gets me is you have some prat of a presenter who probably only see what we see telling someone who was actually there that is just alledgely that jay **** in the freezer.it obviously bothered the other housemates or they wouldnt comment on it as soon as they come out the house.I didnt know he had peed on mark in the shower no wonder he left and why arron wont talk or go anywhere beside him.he was probably bookies favourite to win it at first that will be why bb protecting him so bookies dont lose loads of money

[bblover2]

maybe harry bought 500 bananas for jay as they are known to bung you up when eating to many and if that didnt work on they could have bunged him up manually with them

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Its easy to edit it out...(again the LF thing)

Any convo that mentioned it just wouldnt be shown. Some housemaes have been a bit off with him too for a while...and the rest probably just put it down to him being disgusting in general. I would imagine a kick off about it when it happened and then just bitching between groups afterwards, again easy to edit out.

But still Heaven went on about how great Jay was and at that point she had no reason to believe anything had been edited out and seemed to think we'd all seen Jay doing it. And Maisy too has said she liked him I believe in one of her other tweets. You might be able to edit out any mention of the actual incident but it would be a lot harder to edit out any disgust or change in attitude to Jay that you think would have arisen over this. He still seems popular in there and he still barely receives any nominations, and even if we say they weren't allowed to nominate him over it I'm sure it would have been acceptable for them to do so just over his general crudeness which we have seen a lot of in the HL shows

[bblover2]

yeah but the truth of the matter is we dont know when it happend it was when rebeckah was still in the house so a while ago can any of us say for certain that on any single night we remember any tension between jay and other housemates and if there had of been it would have been edited out

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

But still Heaven went on about how great Jay was and at that point she had no reason to believe anything had been edited out and seemed to think we'd all seen Jay doing it. And Maisy too has said she liked him I believe in one of her other tweets. You might be able to edit out any mention of the actual incident but it would be a lot harder to edit out any disgust or change in attitude to Jay that you think would have arisen over this. He still seems popular in there and he still barely receives any nominations, and even if we say they weren't allowed to nominate him over it I'm sure it would have been acceptable for them to do so just over his general crudeness which we have seen a lot of in the HL shows

I dont get this bit. Heaven would say Jay was great if she liked him regardless of if she knew it was edited out or not, surely She lived with him.

The nominations thing, doesnt hold much weight with me at all. As thats easily manipulated too. They might have tried to nom him for it and be told its not valid. (Not basing this on rebeckahs claims that this happened with the fisting thing though)

IMO people are just used to him having very vile moments. Thats why it didnt change too many peoples opinions on him...along with heaven saying it was a 'prank'. I also think they are a little scared of him anyway. The BB house is different to outside, they kinda have to just get on with it.


The main thing thats standing out to me though, is c5 not denying it. Its not for the media attention (all publicity is good publicity etc.) because the papers dont give a crap about BB anymore. And surely if it didnt happen, they would say so, as allowing people to think it did is tarnishing jays reputation...the fact that he is gross to start with is irrelevant, something as big as this will send peoples opinions on him through the floor. I noticed the 'hate' for Jay pick up a lot quicker after the freezer thing came to light. If its untrue, its unfair of them to allow people to think it IS true. If it was not true, Im nearly 100% sure that the interviewer who was speaking to heaven would have reacted in SHOCK...as would anyone who heard such a random thing, rather than just say allegedly. Do you not think thats quite odd? Say it didnt happen, and that mole dude knew nothing about it...and someone just randomly says that someone **** in the freezer, would the natural reaction not be WTF? The excuse they gave for his 'allegedly' comments was weak too...they said allegedly because Jay wasnt there to defend himself? Against what?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I dont get this bit. Heaven would say Jay was great if she liked him regardless of if she knew it was edited out or not, surely She lived with him.

The nominations thing, doesnt hold much weight with me at all. As thats easily manipulated too. They might have tried to nom him for it and be told its not valid. (Not basing this on rebeckahs claims that this happened with the fisting thing though)

IMO people are just used to him having very vile moments. Thats why it didnt change too many peoples opinions on him...along with heaven saying it was a 'prank'. I also think they are a little scared of him anyway. The BB house is different to outside, they kinda have to just get on with it.


The main thing thats standing out to me though, is c5 not denying it. Its not for the media attention (all publicity is good publicity etc.) because the papers dont give a crap about BB anymore. And surely if it didnt happen, they would say so, as allowing people to think it did is tarnishing jays reputation...the fact that he is gross to start with is irrelevant, something as big as this will send peoples opinions on him through the floor. I noticed the 'hate' for Jay pick up a lot quicker after the freezer thing came to light. If its untrue, its unfair of them to allow people to think it IS true. If it was not true, Im nearly 100% sure that the interviewer who was speaking to heaven would have reacted in SHOCK...as would anyone who heard such a random thing, rather than just say allegedly. Do you not think thats quite odd? Say it didnt happen, and that mole dude knew nothing about it...and someone just randomly says that someone **** in the freezer, would the natural reaction not be WTF? The excuse they gave for his 'allegedly' comments was weak too...they said allegedly because Jay wasnt there to defend himself? Against what?

My point with Heaven is that she clearly wasn't really appalled by it, the whole thing just seemed to her to have been a bit irritating. That's what I find strange, that none of the housemates seem to consider it something that would change their opinion or make them think any less of him, you were saying that it might have done and it would have been edited out but then Heaven had no knowledge of any editing by BB at that stage. Not sure if that makes sense

Yeah it's true they might have said that nominating him specifically for "****ting in a freezer" wasn't valid but I'm sure that if a housemate did just try and nominate him for being generally disgusting then they wouldn't have said it was invalid. We've seen enough crude stuff that Jay's done for the public to think no more about it if someone did nominate him for that, his w**king contest with Mark for example, and shaving his arse

To be honest if it did happen I'd say it's likely to have been a dare during a drunken night or something like that. I'm not saying that Jay didn't do it but that the whole thing is a bit strange and what you said about C5 not denying it just makes it even more weird. And yeah the interviewer did about the worst thing he could have done by just repeating "allegedly" over and over again/ There is a lot we don't know about this story and I don't think we will know what really happened until Jay's out the house

[Angus]

Here we have a grown man of 27 years of age who talks in derogatory terms about women as if he were a teenager; has boasted of sixsomes; has boasted of fisting; has boasted about putting his face into a woman's vagina and letting the juices dry till they crack on his face; who farts indiscriminately with no decorum at all; who is spiteful, malicious and aggressive and threatened to beat Harry up in the diary room; and yet people are questioning whether this animal is capable of defecating in the freezer??? Never mind the confirmation of at least 3 housemates and a "no comment" from another.

No wonder Aaron is disgusted and repelled by this vile thug and he is entitled to be. Why the hell should he pretend to be friendly with him? If Jay doesn't like the silent treatment from Aaron, that's his problem - he knows where the door is.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by angus58

Here we have a grown man of 27 years of age who talks in derogatory terms about women as if he were a teenager; has boasted of sixsomes; has boasted of fisting; has boasted about putting his face into a woman's vagina and letting the juices dry till they crack on his face; who farts indiscriminately with no decorum at all; who is spiteful, malicious and aggressive and threatened to beat Harry up in the diary room; and yet people are questioning whether this animal is capable of defecating in the freezer??? Never mind the confirmation of at least 3 housemates and a "no comment" from another.

No wonder Aaron is disgusted and repelled by this vile thug and he is entitled to be. Why the hell should he pretend to be friendly with him? If Jay doesn't like the silent treatment from Aaron, that's his problem - he knows where the door is.

Well said Angus.

And to reiterate Black Dagger's comments: how anyone can actually be a fan of this guy for any of the above reasons: completely baffles me.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....Yes, they could have said 'Heaven claims.....', I would have thought, it's very puzzling..and surely better for BB to clear it up...well I know they did and changed the freezer...you know what I mean....*digging a hole*

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Well said Angus.

And to reiterate Black Dagger's comments: how anyone can actually be a fan of this guy for any of the above reasons: completely baffles me.

Not sure there's any need to discuss fans here

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

And to reiterate Black Dagger's comments: how anyone can actually be a fan of this guy for any of the above reasons: completely baffles me.

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not sure there's any need to discuss fans here

I am not discussing fans at all.

I am saying that it baffles me how anyone can be a fan. That's an opinion MTVN - that is not me discussing fans, it is me stating I am baffled as to how anyone can BE a fan, due to what has previously been discussed.

I would appreciate if you would stop trying to find fault in what I have said, or more pointedly, indeed twist what I have said, for nothing more than what appears to be a petty reason to have a dig at me. Thank you.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I am not discussing fans at all.

I am saying that it baffles me how anyone can be a fan. That's an opinion MTVN - that is not me discussing fans, it is me stating I am baffled as to how anyone can BE a fan, due to what has previously been discussed.

I would appreciate if you would stop trying to find fault in what I have said, or more pointedly, indeed twist what I have said, for nothing more than what appears to be a petty reason to have a dig at me. Thank you.

Someone's reasons for being a fan of Jay's aren't really relevant to the discussion

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by angus58

Here we have a grown man of 27 years of age who talks in derogatory terms about women as if he were a teenager; has boasted of sixsomes; has boasted of fisting; has boasted about putting his face into a woman's vagina and letting the juices dry till they crack on his face; who farts indiscriminately with no decorum at all; who is spiteful, malicious and aggressive and threatened to beat Harry up in the diary room; and yet people are questioning whether this animal is capable of defecating in the freezer??? Never mind the confirmation of at least 3 housemates and a "no comment" from another.

No wonder Aaron is disgusted and repelled by this vile thug and he is entitled to be. Why the hell should he pretend to be friendly with him? If Jay doesn't like the silent treatment from Aaron, that's his problem - he knows where the door is.

Absolutely the post of this thread, well said Angus.

[Black Dagger]

What a revolting mess...

And this guy has fans how?

[alex_front]

What's a bit sinister is there Twitter feed is sporadic, but whenever anyone mentions anything to do with Jay and the freezer it's buried by about 3 BBUKLive/ BB related official tweets.

[Rob4]

Maybe he was planning on eating it, what is the protein content of a Jay McCray frozen nutbar?

[Cromwell1900]

I wonder will we ever get a complete story on this. I just want to know if it was a dare or not

It would mean the difference of only 1 point on the puke-o-meter but still.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cromwell1900

I wonder will we ever get a complete story on this. I just want to know if it was a dare or not

It would mean the difference of only 1 point on the puke-o-meter but still.

The kiss with Tom was a dare,fact,Tom took it as meaning more than that I think,so he was miffed when Aaron told him it was not.

[lisa12000]

The thing is its lose/lose for them now; If they remove him people will say that they should have done it 2 weeks ago, if they dont people will be disgusted they didnt! VERY sticky situation esp if Jay does win

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by lisa12000

The thing is its lose/lose for them now; If they remove him people will say that they should have done it 2 weeks ago, if they dont people will be disgusted they didnt! VERY sticky situation esp if Jay does win

...........Hahahahahaha

[MeMyselfAndI]

My god Channel 5 are fixing the whole show

[MTVN]

Also I'm wondering if Mark saying "no comment" was more that maybe he had something to do with it, if I had to think of someone who would dare him to do it he'd be one of the more likely. Maisy and Rebeckah didn't have any qualms about saying it was true after all

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Also I'm wondering if Mark saying "no comment" was more that maybe he had something to do with it, if I had to think of someone who would dare him to do it he'd be one of the more likely. Maisy and Rebeckah didn't have any qualms about saying it was true after all

As much as I love mark, this is true. IF anyone else had anything to do with it...it would be mark

[johnx]

Wont be long before it ends up on E Bay.Has to be the most talked about peice of frozen crap in the history of mankind.