[bblover2]

Originally Posted by MTVN

In fairness we don't actually have the full story yet. What Maisy was asked was "Is the Jay ****ting in the freezer true", that could have meant anything and no house mate has been specific about what happened. Maisy has also said that she liked Jay and even when Heaven was talking about it she was laughing and also went on about how much she liked him. It's pretty clear that the house mates weren't that disgusted by it which makes me wonder what the full story actually is. Also the only places that seems to even care about this are Big Brother forums which makes you wonder why no tabloid or news site has picked up on the story yet?

There are a lot of holes to the story that people seem to be ignoring. And anyway calling him "a disgrace to the human race" is just a teensy bit over-dramatic.

what do you mean that it could mean anything that maisy said yes to the question about jay ****ting in the freezer.i really dont think it has any other meaning its not like words or pharses you would use from time to time get the caveman out

[MTVN]

Urgh, I wasn't saying that it was a joke or a story, merely pointing out the fact that a) we have no specific account of what happened b) it doesn't seem to have disgusted any of the house mates or changed their opinion of him which is strange and c) the only place you'll find people care about this is on BB forums, not one single website or tabloid has reported it which is also strange

[Chuck]

Originally Posted by MTVN

it doesn't seem to have disgusted any of the house mates or changed their opinion of him which is strange

I also think that's rather interesting. Although I'm sure they didn't really want to find a piece of **** inside their freezer, it seems they didn't take it seriously at all. So if they weren't really bothered about it and they're the ones who have to live with him, why would I care.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Urgh, I wasn't saying that it was a joke or a story, merely pointing out the fact that a) we have no specific account of what happened b) it doesn't seem to have disgusted any of the house mates or changed their opinion of him which is strange and c) the only place you'll find people care about this is on BB forums, not one single website or tabloid has reported it which is also strange

This is the problem with not having livefeed...broken record....
I just watched Heaven on BBOT's again and there didn't seem to be any way you could misinterpret what she said.....but she didn't seem particularly bothered by it.....and did go on to say she liked him.....
From the H.L show's...I haven't noticed any animosity coming from the other housemates..in fact he's seemed popular...and yet, by anyone's standards that would cause revulsion......it's all......very puzzling....
As for the newspapers, I wouldn't think they could report it unless it had been confirmed...surely that could be libel

[Incensed]

Originally Posted by Ammi

This is the problem with not having livefeed...broken record....
I just watched Heaven on BBOT's again and there didn't seem to be any way you could misinterpret what she said.....but she didn't seem particularly bothered by it.....and did go on to say she liked him.....
From the H.L show's...I haven't noticed any animosity coming from the other housemates..in fact he's seemed popular...and yet, by anyone's standards that would cause revulsion......it's all......very puzzling....
As for the newspapers, I wouldn't think they could report it unless it had been confirmed...surely that could be libel

It's never stopped them before

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Urgh, I wasn't saying that it was a joke or a story, merely pointing out the fact that a) we have no specific account of what happened b) it doesn't seem to have disgusted any of the house mates or changed their opinion of him which is strange and c) the only place you'll find people care about this is on BB forums, not one single website or tabloid has reported it which is also strange

Which is your view on the incident and it's subsequent affect on hms and viewers.

What the above doesn't quite answer is the question that several people have asked: ie: How many meanings can the question, "Is the Jay ****ting in the freezer true", have. You said it could mean anything - I think that's the part that myself and other posters have asked you: what more could such a question actually mean to you.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by chuck.pass

I also think that's rather interesting. Although I'm sure they didn't really want to find a piece of **** inside their freezer, it seems they didn't take it seriously at all. So if they weren't really bothered about it and they're the ones who have to live with him, why would I care.

Unless of course: they've been told that any discussions on the matter - at all - must not be referred to - with the threat of being removed from the house if they don't play ball.

It's highly plausible.

[Suze]

Originally Posted by Ammi

This is the problem with not having livefeed...broken record....
I just watched Heaven on BBOT's again and there didn't seem to be any way you could misinterpret what she said.....but she didn't seem particularly bothered by it.....and did go on to say she liked him.....
From the H.L show's...I haven't noticed any animosity coming from the other housemates..in fact he's seemed popular...and yet, by anyone's standards that would cause revulsion......it's all......very puzzling....
As for the newspapers, I wouldn't think they could report it unless it had been confirmed...surely that could be libel

Plus it was a dare, so who ever initiated the dare would not be disgusted by it, showing they are just as bad really.

It would be interesting if anyone on twitter or facebook could ask the ex housemates on there why they weren't too disgusted by it, and who in the house was disgusted by it, who dared Jay to do it? and also why Jay wasn't nommed for stuff in there? I will be very interested in the replies, as I want to know if some tried to nom Jay but were told their reasons were not good enough, as I think it was Rebeccah who tried to nom him.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Incensed

It's never stopped them before

.....I couldn't say tbh....I don't know for sure whether 'incidents' have been confirmed by them to the press or not..before they've been able to 'see' a lot more for themselves

[Angus]

Here we have a grown man of 27 years of age who talks in derogatory terms about women as if he were a teenager; has boasted of sixsomes; has boasted of fisting; has boasted about putting his face into a woman's vagina and letting the juices dry till they crack on his face; who farts indiscriminately with no decorum at all; who is spiteful, malicious and aggressive and threatened to beat Harry up in the diary room; and yet people are questioning whether this animal is capable of defecating in the freezer??? Never mind the confirmation of at least 3 housemates and a "no comment" from another.

No wonder Aaron is disgusted and repelled by this vile thug and he is entitled to be. Why the hell should he pretend to be friendly with him? If Jay doesn't like the silent treatment from Aaron, that's his problem - he knows where the door is.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Ammi

This is the problem with not having livefeed...broken record....
I just watched Heaven on BBOT's again and there didn't seem to be any way you could misinterpret what she said.....but she didn't seem particularly bothered by it.....and did go on to say she liked him.....
From the H.L show's...I haven't noticed any animosity coming from the other housemates..in fact he's seemed popular...and yet, by anyone's standards that would cause revulsion......it's all......very puzzling....
As for the newspapers, I wouldn't think they could report it unless it had been confirmed...surely that could be libel

I thought that they might be able to just quote Heaven on BOTS though or say something like "Twitter/Facebook/etc. is awash with rumours about..." without actually claiming it was true but maybe not, I'm not really too sure how that sort of stuff works

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

This just proves to me that Jay is BB favourite this year & there wanting him to win, just cant believe they didn't remove him from the house.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Suze

Plus it was a dare, so who ever initiated the dare would not be disgusted by it, showing they are just as bad really.

It would be interesting if anyone on twitter or facebook could ask the ex housemates on there why they weren't too disgusted by it, and who in the house was disgusted by it, who dared Jay to do it? and also why Jay wasn't nommed for stuff in there? I will be very interested in the replies, as I want to know if some tried to nom Jay but were told their reasons were not good enough, as I think it was Rebeccah who tried to nom him.

LOL Suze....was it a cover up...with loo roll......

[vesavius]

Nothing really to add here that hasnt been said, except that the way C5/ Endemol have handled this shows a real contempt for their fanbase imo.

The edits, lies, and general cover up has been so heavy handed and served no purpose but to undermine what fraction of trust I had remaining in them.

I can 100% say that with no LF to keep them semi honest I won't be watching next year (if there is a series next year ofc)



They need to apologise to their fans, the people that make it possible for them to get paid, and remove Jay now.

[Black Dagger]

What a revolting mess...

And this guy has fans how?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by angus58

Here we have a grown man of 27 years of age who talks in derogatory terms about women as if he were a teenager; has boasted of sixsomes; has boasted of fisting; has boasted about putting his face into a woman's vagina and letting the juices dry till they crack on his face; who farts indiscriminately with no decorum at all; who is spiteful, malicious and aggressive and threatened to beat Harry up in the diary room; and yet people are questioning whether this animal is capable of defecating in the freezer??? Never mind the confirmation of at least 3 housemates and a "no comment" from another.

No wonder Aaron is disgusted and repelled by this vile thug and he is entitled to be. Why the hell should he pretend to be friendly with him? If Jay doesn't like the silent treatment from Aaron, that's his problem - he knows where the door is.

.....and yet he seems to be popular with a lot of them.....what gives?

Originally Posted by MTVN

I thought that they might be able to just quote Heaven on BOTS though or say something like "Twitter/Facebook/etc. is awash with rumours about..." without actually claiming it was true but maybe not, I'm not really too sure how that sort of stuff works

....Yes, they could have said 'Heaven claims.....', I would have thought, it's very puzzling..and surely better for BB to clear it up...well I know they did and changed the freezer...you know what I mean....*digging a hole*

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by angus58

Here we have a grown man of 27 years of age who talks in derogatory terms about women as if he were a teenager; has boasted of sixsomes; has boasted of fisting; has boasted about putting his face into a woman's vagina and letting the juices dry till they crack on his face; who farts indiscriminately with no decorum at all; who is spiteful, malicious and aggressive and threatened to beat Harry up in the diary room; and yet people are questioning whether this animal is capable of defecating in the freezer??? Never mind the confirmation of at least 3 housemates and a "no comment" from another.

No wonder Aaron is disgusted and repelled by this vile thug and he is entitled to be. Why the hell should he pretend to be friendly with him? If Jay doesn't like the silent treatment from Aaron, that's his problem - he knows where the door is.

Well said Angus.

And to reiterate Black Dagger's comments: how anyone can actually be a fan of this guy for any of the above reasons: completely baffles me.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....Yes, they could have said 'Heaven claims.....', I would have thought, it's very puzzling..and surely better for BB to clear it up...well I know they did and changed the freezer...you know what I mean....*digging a hole*

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Well said Angus.

And to reiterate Black Dagger's comments: how anyone can actually be a fan of this guy for any of the above reasons: completely baffles me.

Not sure there's any need to discuss fans here

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Urgh, I wasn't saying that it was a joke or a story, merely pointing out the fact that a) we have no specific account of what happened b) it doesn't seem to have disgusted any of the house mates or changed their opinion of him which is strange and c) the only place you'll find people care about this is on BB forums, not one single website or tabloid has reported it which is also strange

Its easy to edit it out...(again the LF thing)

Any convo that mentioned it just wouldnt be shown. Some housemaes have been a bit off with him too for a while...and the rest probably just put it down to him being disgusting in general. I would imagine a kick off about it when it happened and then just bitching between groups afterwards, again easy to edit out.



Seperately for people saying it might have been a prank...BB would have DELIGHTED int showing us a prank like that. Especially given that it involved Jay. If it had been a prank, it would have been shown...theres no doubt in my mind about that.

[bblover2]

whats gets me is you have some prat of a presenter who probably only see what we see telling someone who was actually there that is just alledgely that jay **** in the freezer.it obviously bothered the other housemates or they wouldnt comment on it as soon as they come out the house.I didnt know he had peed on mark in the shower no wonder he left and why arron wont talk or go anywhere beside him.he was probably bookies favourite to win it at first that will be why bb protecting him so bookies dont lose loads of money

[bblover2]

maybe harry bought 500 bananas for jay as they are known to bung you up when eating to many and if that didnt work on they could have bunged him up manually with them

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by angus58

Here we have a grown man of 27 years of age who talks in derogatory terms about women as if he were a teenager; has boasted of sixsomes; has boasted of fisting; has boasted about putting his face into a woman's vagina and letting the juices dry till they crack on his face; who farts indiscriminately with no decorum at all; who is spiteful, malicious and aggressive and threatened to beat Harry up in the diary room; and yet people are questioning whether this animal is capable of defecating in the freezer??? Never mind the confirmation of at least 3 housemates and a "no comment" from another.

No wonder Aaron is disgusted and repelled by this vile thug and he is entitled to be. Why the hell should he pretend to be friendly with him? If Jay doesn't like the silent treatment from Aaron, that's his problem - he knows where the door is.

Absolutely the post of this thread, well said Angus.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Its easy to edit it out...(again the LF thing)

Any convo that mentioned it just wouldnt be shown. Some housemaes have been a bit off with him too for a while...and the rest probably just put it down to him being disgusting in general. I would imagine a kick off about it when it happened and then just bitching between groups afterwards, again easy to edit out.

But still Heaven went on about how great Jay was and at that point she had no reason to believe anything had been edited out and seemed to think we'd all seen Jay doing it. And Maisy too has said she liked him I believe in one of her other tweets. You might be able to edit out any mention of the actual incident but it would be a lot harder to edit out any disgust or change in attitude to Jay that you think would have arisen over this. He still seems popular in there and he still barely receives any nominations, and even if we say they weren't allowed to nominate him over it I'm sure it would have been acceptable for them to do so just over his general crudeness which we have seen a lot of in the HL shows

[bblover2]

yeah but the truth of the matter is we dont know when it happend it was when rebeckah was still in the house so a while ago can any of us say for certain that on any single night we remember any tension between jay and other housemates and if there had of been it would have been edited out

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

But still Heaven went on about how great Jay was and at that point she had no reason to believe anything had been edited out and seemed to think we'd all seen Jay doing it. And Maisy too has said she liked him I believe in one of her other tweets. You might be able to edit out any mention of the actual incident but it would be a lot harder to edit out any disgust or change in attitude to Jay that you think would have arisen over this. He still seems popular in there and he still barely receives any nominations, and even if we say they weren't allowed to nominate him over it I'm sure it would have been acceptable for them to do so just over his general crudeness which we have seen a lot of in the HL shows

I dont get this bit. Heaven would say Jay was great if she liked him regardless of if she knew it was edited out or not, surely She lived with him.

The nominations thing, doesnt hold much weight with me at all. As thats easily manipulated too. They might have tried to nom him for it and be told its not valid. (Not basing this on rebeckahs claims that this happened with the fisting thing though)

IMO people are just used to him having very vile moments. Thats why it didnt change too many peoples opinions on him...along with heaven saying it was a 'prank'. I also think they are a little scared of him anyway. The BB house is different to outside, they kinda have to just get on with it.


The main thing thats standing out to me though, is c5 not denying it. Its not for the media attention (all publicity is good publicity etc.) because the papers dont give a crap about BB anymore. And surely if it didnt happen, they would say so, as allowing people to think it did is tarnishing jays reputation...the fact that he is gross to start with is irrelevant, something as big as this will send peoples opinions on him through the floor. I noticed the 'hate' for Jay pick up a lot quicker after the freezer thing came to light. If its untrue, its unfair of them to allow people to think it IS true. If it was not true, Im nearly 100% sure that the interviewer who was speaking to heaven would have reacted in SHOCK...as would anyone who heard such a random thing, rather than just say allegedly. Do you not think thats quite odd? Say it didnt happen, and that mole dude knew nothing about it...and someone just randomly says that someone **** in the freezer, would the natural reaction not be WTF? The excuse they gave for his 'allegedly' comments was weak too...they said allegedly because Jay wasnt there to defend himself? Against what?