[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Glenn

All I'm saying is the only people I feel sorry for in situations of suicide are the people left behind. Because in my opinion suicide isn't the answer for anything. All it does is cause more pain and suffering, which obviously people on here are OK with.

Who has said they are ok with the remaining ones suffereing... also, are you ok with a person living the rest of their days depressed and miserable?

[Vicky.]

I get what glenns saying, hes just going about it the wrong way I think. Its coming across quite badly :S

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Find me one single post in this thread where anyone has said, that they're fine with the people left behind suffering.

Its the general feeling I'm getting with people who think its OK to kill yourself because you lose a loved one. And people blatantly ignoring the fact is was a selfish act that left a mourning woman who has lost her child too and now has to go on without a husband.

[Jake.]

Yeah Iv'e made my point now, there isn't much else to add.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Its the general feeling I'm getting with people who think its OK to kill yourself because you lose a loved one. And people blatantly ignoring the fact is was a selfish act that left a mourning woman who has lost her child too and now has to go on without a husband.

No one said it's Ok or a good thing to do Glenn. Infact if you read my very first post I said I felt sorry for both the man and his wife, there are no winners in this Glenn and labelling him selfish is just pure ignorance on your part.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by JH95

Who has said they are ok with the remaining ones suffereing... also, are you ok with a person living the rest of their days depressed and miserable?

And how do you suppose the wife is now feeling? Would it be ok for her to kill herself, to waste another life.

A lot of good people in the world die everyday. People who don't want to die, and to have someone just disregard their life like that is selfish.

Especially someone who was campaigning such a needy cause. If it was me, that would of been my drive everyday. To get the message out, to make sure something like a child taking their own life because they were bullied was stamped out.

I couldn't think of a more fitting way to remember your child. To strive and squash out what drove them to suicide in the first place.

Too instead, throw it all away and just end it isn't the answer.

[Ammi]

Anyone who has suffered from depression will know that you cannot think or live beyond your own feelings of unhappiness and deperation. The world around you, including your family, friends etc do not exist...you cannot take on their pain or even acknowledge it as your own consumes you. You can say that sort of self absorbtion is selfish...but it isn't something the person can control, their entire existence is meaningless.
...it is possible to get help of course, if it is recognised and the person seeks help....but imo, a suicide victim is not selfish...they are desperately ill and in need of care, like any other illness...and if they do not get it or are unable to find the strength to seek it, like any illness...it can become 'uncurable'
...back to the OP, bullying in any form...in life...on the internet....is abhorent...two lives were lost..because some disgusting **** bullied this young boy

[CharlieO]

You are acting as if the man just decided to commit suicide out of the blue. Committing suicide is not an easy decision to make, it takes a hell of a lot to drive someone to that point. The feeling of utter helplessness where nothing else could make it better. Some people just cannot cope with that much being put upon them and they have to act for themselves.

If he were to carry on living his life suffering just because he has a wife surely that would be just as unfair, that he has to live in pain because he did not want to hurt another.
There is clearly a depressive gene in that family probably from his side of the family and some times it is the ONLY option.
You do not understand the magnitude of wanting to end your life and how someone is feeling to cause them to do that.

[Jords]

Devastating

I couldnt even start to think about how he was feeling. And I feel so sad for his wife. I hope shes stronger enough to cope with the 2 losses.

[Glenn.]

Regardless of whether he did it out of the blue or he thought about it for a while he still did it.

The total disregard for life was the result. And its a disregard I don't agree with.

Its a waste.

[Jords]

^
Its not black and white like that though. Not at all.

[Glenn.]

Suicide is a waste of a life.

A terrible waste at that but a waste nonetheless.

[Suze]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Anyone who has suffered from depression will know that you cannot think or live beyond your own feelings of unhappiness and deperation. The world around you, including your family, friends etc do not exist...you cannot take on their pain or even acknowledge it as your own consumes you. You can say that sort of self absorbtion is selfish...but it isn't something the person can control, their entire existence is meaningless.
...it is possible to get help of course, if it is recognised and the person seeks help....but imo, a suicide victim is not selfish...they are desperately ill and in need of care, like any other illness...and if they do not get it or are unable to find the strength to seek it, like any illness...it can become 'uncurable'
...back to the OP, bullying in any form...in life...on the internet....is abhorent...two lives were lost..because some disgusting **** bullied this young boy

Nothing much to add to this ^ Your post Ammi, expresses very well what pain some have where the only solution seeming open to them, is the final one Sad but true

Glenn, as much as your opinion is a valid one in your eyes, I sincerely hope you never get to suffer the depths of depression some do where they feel no avenues are left to them bar suicide, many things can lead to it, it is not as simple as just believing it is the only way, I am sure many mull over it long before the final decision. Some may even tend to feel they are doing loved one's a favour by ending their own life

Sad, sad, story. Poor man

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Regardless of whether he did it out of the blue or he thought about it for a while he still did it.

The total disregard for life was the result. And its a disregard I don't agree with.

Its a waste.

But it's not your choice for when somebody decides to go. It is clearly a fact that he must have gotten to such a point of desperation that HE DECIDED that his life was worth leaving. Wether or not his life was worth living cannot be answered, because until you have gone through that yourself, you will not understand such emotions.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Suze

Nothing much to add to this ^ Your post Ammi, expresses very well what pain some have where the only solution seeming open to them, is the final one Sad but true

Glenn, as much as your opinion is a valid one in your eyes, I sincerely hope you never get to suffer the depths of depression some do where they feel no avenues are left to them bar suicide, many things can lead to it, it is not as simple as just believing it is the only way, I am sure many mull over it long before the final decision. Some may even tend to feel they are doing loved one's a favour by ending their own life

Sad, sad, story. Poor man

Yeah, I think this is how my friend felt, I couldn't even begin to imagine what she was going through or how low and desperate things must have seemed for suicide to seem like the only solution.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by JH95

But it's not your choice for when somebody decides to go. It is clearly a fact that he must have gotten to such a point of desperation that HE DECIDED that his life was worth leaving. Wether or not his life was worth living cannot be answered, because until you have gone through that yourself, you will not understand such emotions.

OK. When did I say I decided?

[CharlieO]

Glenn, please answer me this, how is it a waste of a life? What is life? Why live, what benefit is there?

It is not like his life was created and another's was taken away? we have an abundance of life on earth and one man should be able to make his own decision on that. He was not wasting anything, he was self preserving.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Suicide is a waste of a life.

A terrible waste at that but a waste nonetheless.

I agree. But some people cant cope with the stress and pain life throws at them and this is their way out. And although I see the selfish side of it, its their life and its their choice what they do with it. You could argue its more immoral to make somebody suffer on...

[Shaun]

I hate the term "waste of a life". It's such a grey area at best, and tremendously insulting at worst. Life doesn't come with a set of guidelines - and it's so often attributed to people like Whitney Houston or Amy Winehouse who did WAY, WAY more with their lives than the people who use such a stupid phrase ever have.

[Glenn.]

Theres a huge difference between natural death and simply taking your own because you feel there is no other way out.

And of course it's a waste of life. How can it not be?

Just because there is abundance of life on the planet, it doesn't excuse the situation.

The mans wife would of been going through if not more so what he was going through. And forgive me he couldn't of been in that much of a bad state to update his Facebook status mere minutes before he hung himself.

Life is a precious thing. Good things happen and bad things happen. It's what defines us and I simply refuse to accept this immoral action as anything less than selfish.

I'm sorry, I don't have any sympathy for people that kill themselves and leave devastation and pain behind.

[CharlieO]

I genuinely just cannot see your point of view at all Glenn, it is just so wrong.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Glenn

I'm sorry, I don't have any sympathy for people that kill themselves and leave devastation and pain behind.

They are dead. They wont care.

[Niamh.]

He couldn't have been in that much of a bad state???? ****ing hell Glenn, he killed himself, finished, gone, end of, what do you think he was thinking?? Oh what a laugh, think I'll kill myself???

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Glenn

The mans wife would of been going through if not more so what he was going through. And forgive me he couldn't of been in that much of a bad state to update his Facebook status mere minutes before he hung himself.

Why would she have been going through more than him? Because she's a woman?

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He couldn't have been in that much of a bad state???? ****ing hell Glenn, he killed himself, finished, gone, end of, what do you think he was thinking?? Oh what a laugh, think I'll kill myself???

I don't even know what to say, it is just so ridiculous I cannot fathom it.