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Brother Leon · 18-03-2012, 09:53 PM

You guys do realise that if he said this stuff in public to someone, he would be arrested?

Why should it be different if he does it from the safety of the Internet. Not so big an Internet gangster now I am pretty sure.

lostalex · 18-03-2012, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by King_Anton

You guys do realise that if he said this stuff in public to someone, he would be arrested?

Why should it be different if he does it from the safety of the Internet. Not so big an Internet gangster now I am pretty sure.

because it's impossible to be violent online, that's the difference, if it happened in real life, there would be a real possibility of violence, there is no possibility of violence online.

he was isolated in his home safe and sound, as was the person he was arguing with, both were in no threat of violence.

Brother Leon · 18-03-2012, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

because it's impossible to be violent online, that's the difference, if it happened in real life, there would be a real possibility of violence, there is no possibility of violence online.

So by your logic, you should not be punished for being a cowardly racist who is hiding behind a computer, however if you at least showed the slightest bit of guts to be real and say it in public, you should...............Hmm okay, there is no difference for me.

lostalex · 18-03-2012, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by King_Anton

So by your logic, you should not be punished for being a cowardly racist who is hiding behind a computer, however if you at least showed the slightest bit of guts to be real and say it in public, you should...............Hmm okay, there is no difference for me.

It's not a crime to be racist. There is no law against being a racist. There are laws against discrimination and ACTIONS against people because of racism, but it is not a CRIME to be a racist.

Like i said before, if it was a crime to just say something prejudice, then yur saying that every teenager that's ever said "that's gay" on youtube should be put in jail too. Do you think every teenager that's said something homophobic should be put in jail??

Kizzy · 18-03-2012, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

It's not a crime to be racist. There is no law against being a racist. There are laws against discrimination and ACTIONS against people because of racism, but it is not a CRIME to be a racist.

Like i said before, if it was a crime to just say something prejudice, then yur saying that every teenager that's ever said "that's gay" should be put in jail too. Do you think every teenager that's said something homophobic should be put in jail??

You have to look at it proportionatly alex.
As far as we know he has only been questioned, not charged so if he has broken any law it will be reported.

Kizzy · 18-03-2012, 09:53 PM

He may just get a slap on the wrist, but it will serve for those who think this kind of thing is acceptable.

thesheriff443 · 18-03-2012, 09:56 PM

wrong internet bully can make someone take their own life and it has.

lostalex · 18-03-2012, 09:58 PM

well after reading the actual tweets, i don't believe he did anything criminal.

he was disgusting, and racist, and vile to every sensibility, but criminal? no.

MTVN · 18-03-2012, 10:03 PM

Hmm while I don't want to just loudly proclaim "free speech" - that sort of legitimises this sort of thing and is often used by people who try and excuse racism - this sort of thing is a massive grey area. Shaun mentioned how prevalent stuff like this is online and it's true if you just look at a site like sickipedia, and also who gets to decide where the line is drawn in any case? Why are the BNP and other parties who are actually more extreme than that (look up the British Peoples Party) allowed to stir up racial hatred in a far more dangerous way when this idiot gets arrested for some stupid, and yes disgusting, comments on Twitter. I don't like this sort of thing to be defended but I don't really see how you can realistically put limits on freedom of speech and allow the state the right to be the ones to have the power to say what's right/what isn't, what's acceptable/what isn't, what's "hate speech" and what isn't. It's a slippery slope when you start to criminalise words and it isn't something I'm comfortable with

Mrluvaluva · 18-03-2012, 10:05 PM

As stated above, the screenshot is some of his tweets. Apparently, "police forces throughout the UK regularly take action against those who use Twitter to express racially offensive remarks.

The practice is so common that none feel the need to issue a public statement indicating it has happened."

lostalex · 18-03-2012, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

As stated above, the screenshot is some of his tweets. Apparently, "police forces throughout the UK regularly take action against those who use Twitter to express racially offensive remarks.

The practice is so common that none feel the need to issue a public statement indicating it has happened."

well if THAT is true it should be concerning to every UK citizen. That people are routinely being arrested for their TWEETS and no one knows about it???

That doesn't worry you?

Mrluvaluva · 18-03-2012, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

well if THAT is true it should be concerning to every UK citizen. That people are routinely being arrested for their TWEETS and no one knows about it???

That doesn't worry you?

In what way should every citizen in the UK be concerned? I am sure the vast majority of people would not post such offensive and inappropriate matter.

Brother Leon · 18-03-2012, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

well if THAT is true it should be concerning to every UK citizen. That people are routinely being arrested for their TWEETS and no one knows about it???

That doesn't worry you?

It shouldn't worry you if you are not racist.

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lostalex · 18-03-2012, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by King_Anton

It shouldn't worry you if you are not racist.

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there is no such thing as racism because there is no such thing as race, every person on the planet is mixed race. that has already been proven by geneticists.

What we are talking about is prejudice, and every single person on the planet is PREJUDICED.

If you deny ever having a prejudiced thought then you are a liar.

I'm sick of PEople using THE WORD "racism" to DEMONIZE people and BULLY people, it's disgusting.

EVERYONE is prejudiced.

until we have an HONEST conversation about prejudice, without using bullying terms like "racism" then we arn't going to move forward. Pointing fingers gets us NOWHERE.

Pointing fingers, and name-calling just causes MORE division.

SoBig · 18-03-2012, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

well if THAT is true it should be concerning to every UK citizen. That people are routinely being arrested for their TWEETS and no one knows about it???

That doesn't worry you?

If no one knew about it then he wouldn't have gotten arrested.

lostalex · 18-03-2012, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SoBig

If no one knew about it then he wouldn't have gotten arrested.

obviously i'm talking about before this story came out, although the media isn't reporting that it is common practice for people to be arrested over using the "N" word in tweets.

If this is true that it is common practice, i'd like to know how many other people in the UK have been arrested for using the "N" word in tweets.

lostalex · 18-03-2012, 10:09 PM

Criminalizing words is never okay in my book. There was no violence, there was no person directly harmed.

Just because you are OFFENDED by what he said, does not make him a CRIMINAL.

He's being scapegoated imo. They can demonize this one individual to make it look like they are doing something, meanwhile the larger issue of racism in soccer get's to skate by underneath, and the League doesn't have to take any responsibility for the LARGER issue of racism at matches.

Boothy · 18-03-2012, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

Criminalizing words is never okay in my book. There was no violence, there was no person directly harmed.

Just because you are OFFENDED by what he said, does not make him a CRIMINAL.

He's being scapegoated imo. They can demonize this one individual to make it look like they are doing something, meanwhile the larger issue of racism in soccer get's to skate by underneath, and the League doesn't have to take any responsibility for the LARGER issue of racism at matches.

I agree with BIB, tbh.

Kizzy · 18-03-2012, 10:09 PM

http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/p...rbook.html#a02

Vicky. · 19-03-2012, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kizzy

http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/p...rbook.html#a02

The Stephen Lawrence Inquiry Report was published in February 1999, and defined a racist incident as:

˜... any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person."

We accept this definition.

This seems quite ridiculous to me actually. This reads as if...for instance...someone was talking about needing a bottle of milk. I get offended because milk is white and I am overly sensitive and think they are slagging me. So therefor the person speaking about milk is racist.

On topic though, I'm a bit torn. Reading the tweets that have been posted..yeah the person is undoubtably racist and ignorant, but I dont really see any need for an arrest or anything :S