[joeysteele]

Another very interesting read The Truth.

Actually the glitz and way over the top planning of this funeral is going to be I expect looked on very quickly as a great misuse of any public funding and sadly a rather undignified one too.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by the truth

whats new? the elitists in london have never given a damn about the masses....except on election week....the vast majority of british prime ministers have actually all come from the same class in eton....does anyone bellieve the UK is a real democracy? its a constitutional monarchy, class, insider dealing for the chosen few and in breeding is all that counts. how do you think these clowns end up with 100s of millions of pounds? hard work lol

The fact is the unions failed but thatcher went from one extreme to another and failed even worse. she wasnt even capable of having a conversation or an analysis to work out which pits were most economic. she didnt even look to prvatise them, which for her us surprising.

all she had to do in 1979 was lower taxes and yes privatise a companies.
instead she privatised nearly all the wrong things, put taxes up on small businesses and the working man/woman

to be frank, I think she was the single worst leader we have ever had.....she had a 10/15 year boom , but now were bust

people ask why didnt anyone turn it around? how she destroyed manufacturing base and drowned the mines. we have barely any industry left. meanwhile the germans as always seemed to build astronger more balanced economy where public and private worked together to keep industries strong

thatcher was an idiotic and selfish mean spirited pm

the total lie she was somehow for the aspiring small businessman (somehow her dad being a greengrocer was endlessly used as a reason for us to believe she was a supporter of the little man- LIES) is disproved by

- more than doubling vat
- rasing fuel prices and tax on fuel prices every year
-scrapping apprenticeships
-removing any incentive to employ
-increased regulation on small business
-increased national insurance
-raised taxes on the poor
-fuel pverty thanks to her creating utilies monopolies. energy/water/pricaes have gone up by over 1000% in real terms since thatcher came into power. how many have frozen to death, tens of thousands.

oh but wait she let people buy their homes? to buy your home you had to give up any housing benefit allowance....were these people really better off? oh and spening on social housing fell 68% under thatcher... meanwhile she deregulated the corporations, gave less support to agriculture and allowed the supermarkets to collude and fix prices

meanwhile the majority of steel works and industrial plants she did close, yes and some were very profitable, she dismantled brick by brick and reassembled in africa , where workers were paid peanuts and the tories sat on the board as shareholders.

meanwhile her son was an arms dealer

terrific people eh?

thatcher enslaved us to corporate greed. our exports collapsed. all the things she said like dont spend what you dont have etc she did the OPPOSITE. UK has over £1 trillion public debts but $9 trillion total debts (thats $144,000 each) were at war because we cant afford not to be...did she ever hear of dont put all your eggs in one basket? well she did....all finance and servives, no industry, no productivity, no exports....and she didnt see it coming? everyone else with a brain did

her plan was a small and spiteful plan scribbled on the back of a postage stamp.
the fact she wouldnt collaborate with anyone, she wouldnt find common ground, she wouldnt listen, compromise or reach agreements with people with shared interests , meant in the end she was the rich mans puppet. nothing more. somehow her idiotic negotiation skills are lauded as great and even amusing. in reality its bone headed. she didnt work in union with anyone unless then 100% cowtowed to her every demand. she didnt have the patience or empathy for any subtlety or nuance. her long term plan for the UK is a disaster

heseltine did one thing right when he got her booted out....mind you he was just as guilty about selling off the crown jewels

Finally somebody takes the time to write down the reality of thatchers legacy... Superb post.... Well done !!! 10 out of 10.....

[Kizzy]

''meanwhile the majority of steel works and industrial plants she did close, yes and some were very profitable, she dismantled brick by brick and reassembled in africa , where workers were paid peanuts and the tories sat on the board as shareholders.''

This was the real reason for privatisation, take industry and public utilities and split them into nice little earners for other tories.
then watch all the lovely kickbacks come rolling in.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

''meanwhile the majority of steel works and industrial plants she did close, yes and some were very profitable, she dismantled brick by brick and reassembled in africa , where workers were paid peanuts and the tories sat on the board as shareholders.''

This was the real reason for privatisation, take industry and public utilities and split them into nice little earners for other tories.
then watch all the lovely kickbacks come rolling in.

I agree, and yet privatisation was sold to the masses as the way to generate wealth with share proposals and discounted shares. But as you point out the real reasons were more connected their own personal wealth generation.

To be honest the more I read into the policies and actions of thatcher and her cronies the angrier I become. Before her death I like a lot of people disliked her intensely , but after really examining her policies and the effects of her actions in all their murky shady double dealings I now quite frankly despise the woman and may be heading down to London next week to voice my displeasure.

I wish people would do their homework re Thatcher before coming on this forum praising this hideous woman who really has damaged this nation more than most people will ever know....!!!!

[the truth]

Interesting to hear andrew neils' memory of meeting her at her home for an interview in the 60s when he was a mere journo , he actually mooted to her the idea of making social housing more affordable to the working classes by offering a discount, thatcher looked at neil quizzically saying, "oh no, but that wouldnt help our people" as neil said she of course meant the rich middle classes. that really does say a lot about her greed is good , way of thinking. you can bet the real reason she brought it in was also for selfish reasons ie. get people off housing benefits and also to get them voting for her.

[Kizzy]

Youtube video

[Kizzy]

Youtube video

[Kizzy]

Youtube video

[Kazanne]

Just a thought, all the people that are outraged at the expense of Mrs Thatchers funeral should probably think about the vast amount of money being spent to protect property and generally police it ,it will probably cost more than the funeral itself,but you can bet the 'cost' wont bother them as long as they are getting their rocks off trying to prove what? they didn't like her or agree with her policies,well we all know that already ,but it doesn't stop them getting their 15 mins of fame.Do they think about THAT money that will be used to keep them in order?bet they don't.

[Cherie]

[QUOTE=Kazanne;5932240]Just a thought, all the people that are outraged at the expense of Mrs Thatchers funeral should probably think about the vast amount of money being spent to protect property and generally police it ,it will probably cost more than the funeral itself,but you can bet the 'cost' wont bother them as long as they are getting their rocks off trying to prove what? they didn't like her or agree with her policies,well we all know that already ,but it doesn't stop them getting their 15 mins of fame.Do they think about THAT money that will be used to keep them in order?bet they don't.[/Q

I'm pretty sure the 10 million price tag includes security Kazanne, I feel her funeral will be a target for every and anyone who feels the need to protest on the day, which to me makes the decision to hold such a public displayf or such a divisive ex leader all the more ridiculous, a misuse of the police and public funds.

[Kazanne]

[QUOTE=Cherie;5932267]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Just a thought, all the people that are outraged at the expense of Mrs Thatchers funeral should probably think about the vast amount of money being spent to protect property and generally police it ,it will probably cost more than the funeral itself,but you can bet the 'cost' wont bother them as long as they are getting their rocks off trying to prove what? they didn't like her or agree with her policies,well we all know that already ,but it doesn't stop them getting their 15 mins of fame.Do they think about THAT money that will be used to keep them in order?bet they don't.[/Q

I'm pretty sure the 10 million price tag includes security Kazanne, I feel her funeral will be a target for every and anyone who feels the need to protest on the day, which to me makes the decision to hold such a public displayf or such a divisive ex leader all the more ridiculous, a misuse of the police and public funds.

I just don't know why people cant 'rejoice' at home with a few bevvies and friends around,lol,I just think that for SOME it is an excuse to go out there and destroy other peoples property ,it's not their faults ,I find it all rather pointless,as it wont hurt or affect the lady concerned.On a plus note,how are you Cherie?

[Cherie]

good thanks Kazanne!

[Kizzy]

Well as maggie herself said there is no such thing as free money, it's public money.
Taxpayers money...
So seeing as the public paid for this shindig is it not right and fair they are invited?
I see the spin that it is only the 'loony lefties' or 'phillpots' that are opposed to this, But wait... on the front pages of the papers, teachers and policemen too!
So called 'strivers' ... What on earth can their grievance be?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well as maggie herself said there is no such thing as free money, it's public money.
Taxpayers money...
So seeing as the public paid for this shindig is it not right and fair they are invited?
I see the spin that it is only the 'loony lefties' or 'phillpots' that are opposed to this, But wait... on the front pages of the papers, teachers and policemen too!
So called 'strivers' ... What on earth can their grievance be?

Nothing wrong with popping along Kizzy,but do you really think people need to vent their anger so angrily by destroying property etc,I cant see what any of it will achieve?have to say this has been a great thread.

[joeysteele]

If this had been as Margaret Thatcher it seems herself wanted, a low key, more private and dignified funeral this attention would likely have been avoided at a massively reduced cost too.

I think it is obscene and the fact taxpayers are going to fund any of it will only inflame the anger at it.
There was no need at all to have created this show/farce, all that had to be done was what she wanted as with her Husband Dennis's funeral.
I find it distasteful that her funeral has been hijacked by her Party and that her family have allowed it to be too.

As I said in a previous post, my Parents are lifelong Conservative supporters but they are furious that taxpayers money is being used in any way for a retired PMs funeral.
No matter who they are.

[the truth]

the £10 million price tag is clearly a lie...the entire policing, trafficking, congestion, security, damage incurred, the cost of closing parts of london down etc the figure will be huge and this is why cameron wont discuss it.
her star shone brightly but when the smoke cleared and all the hollow speeches were spoken, we realise there was less to her that met the eye. by this time net month I doubt anyone will want to discuss her much ever again

these elitist people wasting tax payers money are plain greedy and selfish hypocrites, the same so called free marketeers who got the pubic to bail out the banks with pubic money? so shes leaving as she lived , all me me me and all paid for by the society she said doesnt exist..

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Nothing wrong with popping along Kizzy,but do you really think people need to vent their anger so angrily by destroying property etc,I cant see what any of it will achieve?have to say this has been a great thread.

Who said you could borrow my crystal ball?..
It hasn't happened yet, who knows if there will be any destruction of property, I am in the hope there may be a peaceful protest, but who can say?
People have already been forced out of their jobs for voicing their opinion, Kim Jong Un would be proud of the way we silence critics of fascistic regimes here....

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Who said you could borrow my crystal ball?..
It hasn't happened yet, who knows if there will be any destruction of property, I am in the hope there may be a peaceful protest, but who can say?
People have already been forced out of their jobs for voicing their opinion, Kim Jong Un would be proud of the way we silence critics of fascistic regimes here....

[Tom4784]

Considering her reign was almost defined by budget cuts and tax rises it seems quite ironic to spend so much on her funeral, I doubt she'd want such a big affair so I don't see the point in doing it in such a way.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

[InOne]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...?commentpage=2

[MTVN]

Have no real problem with it tbh, she was the PM who had the biggest impact on our country since Churchill and I have nothing against acknowledging that fact, she is by no means the first to receive a taxpayer funded funeral and she won't be the last

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Have no real problem with it tbh, she was the PM who had the biggest impact on our country since Churchill and I have nothing against acknowledging that fact, she is by no means the first to receive a taxpayer funded funeral and she won't be the last

Ahem...
Clement Attlee

Labour | 1945 - 1951

Clement Attlee enlarged and improved social services and the public sector in post-war Britain; creating the National Health Service and nationalising major industries and public utilities.
Clement Attlee was leader of the Labour Party from 1935 to 1955, and served as Britain’s Prime Minister from 1945 to 1951. As Prime Minister, Attlee oversaw the rebuilding of post-war Britain, and the birth of the nation’s Welfare State. More than one survey of academics has voted Attlee the most successful British Prime Minister of all time.

http://www.number10.gov.uk/past-prim...lement-attlee/

20yrs as an excellent reformer and PM, no state funeral...

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-22125280

The Bishop of Grantham has spoken out about the scale and cost of Margaret Thatcher's funeral.

The Rt Rev Tim Ellis, from Baroness Thatcher's birthplace in Lincolnshire, has called the £10m event a "mistake".

He warned that while there is ill feeling about the former prime minister, some people may use the event for their own political agenda.

He said the ceremonial funeral was "asking for trouble" and should be "more low-key and personal".

The funeral, with military honours, will take place on Wednesday at St Paul's Cathedral in London.

It will be the first time the Queen has attended the funeral of a British prime minister since Sir Winston Churchill's in 1965.

Good for Bishop .....

[Kazanne]

We pay enough taxes to keep the dregs of life in prisons etc,so can't see this will make much of a dent.