[halfacrown]

Originally Posted by MatthewS

Oh don't get me wrong, it's obviously 'shady' on both of their parts and certainly not the moral thing to do, I don't doubt that at all.

However, I think it's getting blown way out of proportion with relation to Hazel, whereas Daley has had a pretty easy ride. It seems like she's taking the brunt of the hostility, and I'm not sure why. At the very least, I think we can agree that the signals coming from Daley regarding his relationship status were mixed, and he was the one who initiated the escalation with Hazel by writing on her hand that he liked her. I get that people are sensitive about it and the public don't like it, but then why vote them into the safe house? The public had every opportunity to put anybody else in there, but they didn't. They flirted a lot, sure. Is that really the worst thing in the world though? Hazel got pressed and pressed by Emma on it in her interview, yet with Daley Emma was sympathetic and essentially let him say his peace and move on. Meanwhile, this is a guy who puts his hands around a womans neck and makes aggressive threats leading to him being removed from the house. It's a pretty ******ed up way of distributing 'blame' imo lol

The only reason to put them in was to see what they got up to, would they end up having sex or would they pull themselves together? Well, it went badly and it did neither of them any favours.

Because Daley lost his place in the house, he'd already received the ultimate punishment and all focus was inevitably turned onto Hazel. She was not open about why Daley was ejected to the rest of the housemates, nor did she tell them that she had got a warning. They were in disbelief about it all and, again, Hazel's stock went down.

We agree on much, but where we disagree, is on the issue of blame. BB is a popularity contest and none of the housemates have to do 'the worst thing in the world' in order to lose popularity fast. I think that Daley would have been vilified too, if he'd have stayed in.

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by MatthewS

I agree with you here. However, you also have to wonder why people (perhaps even Emma and the public) present her as a home-wrecking, maneating, *****. It's an interesting double standard and reeks of hypocrisy. She never hooked up with Daley, the most they did was flirt a little bit. Big ******ing deal. He's the one that's in a relationship, not Hazel. And yes, I know we heard multiple stories from him about that status of that relationship, but that's his business. Then the public, who obviously find this so offensive, vote them into the safehouse together. Makes sense (sarcasm). When Emma interviews Daley after, she's sympathetic. When she interviews Hazel, she keeps pressing her on the topic. It's all so odd.

It's as if there is a biased agenda at play within BB!?!?!

[lippyzippy]

she didn't even take ownership of her own behaviour....her pitiful non-explanation of the daley farce was just embarrassing....she tried to justify the unjustifiable instead of just holding her hands up and saying she behaved like a twat

[halfacrown]

Originally Posted by lippyzippy

she didn't even take ownership of her own behaviour....her pitiful non-explanation of the daley farce was just embarrassing....she tried to justify the unjustifiable instead of just holding her hands up and saying she behaved like a twat

Exactly, some people are copying Hazel by going into denial and pretending her stay in the house wasn't a disaster. What's the point in creating a fantasy and ignoring that fact that she made a disastrous choice in associating with Daley which defined her time on BB?

[Scream]

Yeah, the public can't call her a home wrecker when the only reason she was voted in the safe house was because people wanted to see them have sex lol... the voting public are home wreckers

[jegmeister]

What a complete and utter load of rubbish. The public kicked her out by a massive majority to huge boos and chants for her to get out. Only someone completely deluded and out of touch with reality would say anything other than that Hazel got a massive dose of reality last night. Unfortunately, she is too narcissistic to ever see the truth.

[KingOfTheMods]

Originally Posted by jegmeister

What a complete and utter load of rubbish. The public kicked her out by a massive majority to huge boos and chants for her to get out. Only someone completely deluded and out of touch with reality would say anything other than that Hazel got a massive dose of reality last night. Unfortunately, she is too narcissistic to ever see the truth.

Or people think she was made out to be the pantomime villain, even though the ugly evil queen is still sat there cackling.

[jegmeister]

Originally Posted by KingOfTheMods

Or people think she was made out to be the pantomime villain, even though the ugly evil queen is still sat there cackling.

A classic tactic of narcissists is to change the subject when you know you've lost the argument.

[KingOfTheMods]

Originally Posted by jegmeister

A classic tactic of narcissists is to change the subject when you know you've lost the argument.

I'm still here, lost nothing.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by jegmeister

A classic tactic of narcissists is to change the subject when you know you've lost the argument.

Gina only ever had one subject she was interested in - slagging off Hazel and would change any and every subject so she could stick more pins in Hazel.

[jegmeister]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

Gina only ever had one subject she was interested in - slagging off Hazel and would change any and every subject so she could stick more pins in Hazel.

Until the last few days she hardly spoke about her. It's only because Hazel deliberately goaded her continuously that she has talked so much about her. Otherwise, it was only really in the Safe House. Hazel is a massive narcissist, Gina isn't. She is just spoilt.

[MatthewS]

^^^

LOL!

[MatthewS]

Oh for sure, I think we agree on most of it. I don't like either of them personally, but I don't hate and detest Hazel either, I think she made a few costly mistakes and rightfully wasn't going to win because of it. I feel much more negatively towards Daley. The whole voting them into safe house together to see what they got up, I mean, I get it, it's entertaining, but it's also the public setting them up. I really think they were voted in because the public wanted to see something happen, and when it did, they act shocked and appalled. Too funny lol

[halfacrown]

Originally Posted by MatthewS

Oh for sure, I think we agree on most of it. I don't like either of them personally, but I don't hate and detest Hazel either, I think she made a few costly mistakes and rightfully wasn't going to win because of it. I feel much more negatively towards Daley. The whole voting them into safe house together to see what they got up, I mean, I get it, it's entertaining, but it's also the public setting them up. I really think they were voted in because the public wanted to see something happen, and when it did, they act shocked and appalled. Too funny lol

They can both go off into anonymity now, if they want. However, I'm quite sure they don't want, they would both love the limelight. I wouldn't rule out them getting together either and the public are extremely fickle, so it might be worth a few bob to them yet, wouldn't that be ironic?

[anne666]

Originally Posted by halfacrown

They can both go off into anonymity now, if they want. However, I'm quite sure they don't want, they would both love the limelight. I wouldn't rule out them getting together either and the public are extremely fickle, so it might be worth a few bob to them yet, wouldn't that be ironic?

I would expect nothing less now.Lets wait and see. Mag deals aplenty for them.

[MatthewS]

Originally Posted by halfacrown

They can both go off into anonymity now, if they want. However, I'm quite sure they don't want, they would both love the limelight. I wouldn't rule out them getting together either and the public are extremely fickle, so it might be worth a few bob to them yet, wouldn't that be ironic?

Yeah I could see that happening. I mean, I guess anyone who goes on BB is looking for a bit of fame, if you weren't, surely you'd avoid a nationally televised 2 month long 'reality' show. I bet even Sophie & Sam, the two housemates who I think care least about it, will do some interviews/appearances/magazines after and make a quick buck.

[MatthewS]

It's like Emma wasn't prepared to accept Hazels answers and was really trying to get the answer she wanted out of Hazel, which really isn't the best way to conduct an interview. I thought Hazel did well in the sense that she gave the answer she wanted to and wasn't swayed by Emmas prodding and attempts to elicit the response she was after.

[the_answers]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

In more ways than 1 last night but the best part for me was when Emma showed her a video of apparently why the public turned on her (flirting with Daley), her reaction was.

"Well the public were the ones who voted us into the safehouse".

Spot on.

If the public thought she was such a home wrecking bitch then why would they then vote them into a house together?

Because they love to piss and moan and spew hatred on people, simple as that.

Spot on !

[armand.kay]

She clocked emma and left everyone looking stupid.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

She clocked emma and left everyone looking stupid.

Ironically enough - Charlie's friend actually helped her out a lot. By bringing up Daley so close to the end she confirmed why Hazel had been so disliked on the outside, and so Hazel had almost a full week to assess the questions she was likely to face and prepare her answers for them. She was completely ready for the Emma interview, complete with quotes, examples, exact order of events with Daley etc.

Charlie's friend unwittingly helped her to not be caught off guard.