[jegmeister]

Originally Posted by KingOfTheMods

Or people think she was made out to be the pantomime villain, even though the ugly evil queen is still sat there cackling.

A classic tactic of narcissists is to change the subject when you know you've lost the argument.

[MatthewS]

Originally Posted by halfacrown

I loathe house romances, but I have no problem with what anyone gets up to, they can have sex on the lawn as far as I'm concerned, I'd just laugh. However, it's crazy to pretend that people are not very sensitive to anyone who ruins a relationship by playing away. A lot of people (several of the men) where having a go at Daley about it, let's not forget that. Hazel misjudged Daley and ignored the obvious relationship, because it didn't suit her agenda. Guess what? The public went off her in a flash. Do you think that she used her brains and judgement when she became involved with Daley?

Oh don't get me wrong, it's obviously 'shady' on both of their parts and certainly not the moral thing to do, I don't doubt that at all.

However, I think it's getting blown way out of proportion with relation to Hazel, whereas Daley has had a pretty easy ride. It seems like she's taking the brunt of the hostility, and I'm not sure why. At the very least, I think we can agree that the signals coming from Daley regarding his relationship status were mixed, and he was the one who initiated the escalation with Hazel by writing on her hand that he liked her. I get that people are sensitive about it and the public don't like it, but then why vote them into the safe house? The public had every opportunity to put anybody else in there, but they didn't. They flirted a lot, sure. Is that really the worst thing in the world though? Hazel got pressed and pressed by Emma on it in her interview, yet with Daley Emma was sympathetic and essentially let him say his peace and move on. Meanwhile, this is a guy who puts his hands around a womans neck and makes aggressive threats leading to him being removed from the house. The blame that's being given out just feels so disproportionate to me...

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Up to very recently Hazel seemed to be in denial that her unpopularity was anything to do with Dazelgate. She seemed to be blaming it on Gina.

So a reality check is in order.

However... Emma, AJ and Rylan are not up to the job. They only do light and fluffy. I'll be interested to see how Hazel is questioned by Iain Lee and the psychologists tonight.... although I'm not getting my hopes up!

Eh I think they may interview her rather than "question" her?!? Unless they've arrested her since last night!?!

[KingOfTheMods]

Originally Posted by jegmeister

A classic tactic of narcissists is to change the subject when you know you've lost the argument.

I'm still here, lost nothing.

[MatthewS]

^^^

LOL!

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by JTM45

She didn't 'own' me and she never did!
I certainly didn't vote her into the safehouse and i didn't ever believe that the public did either. BB put them in there, absolutely not even a shred of doubt about it!

Hazel did nothing in the house other than promote herself and act like a typical Nuts girl!!!
I find it laughable that she suddenly became the forum favourite for nothing more than having a few really childish slanging matches with Gina!

She did nothing of note in there and was never particularly entertaining unless you had the schoolboy mentality of Sam (....huh,huh....TITS....huh!).

For a start she wasn't even a nice person. She spent most of her time in the house sitting on her ass with a face like thunder moaning and bitching and calling everyone else in there losers and dickheads behind their backs and acting as if she was somehow 'superior'. Yeah, i suppose she was superior to Sally and the twins but that really doesn't push her very far up the scale of nobodies!

I'd still rather have seen the twins go last night but i'm certainly not gonna' miss Hazel. There's nothing to miss unless fake tits entertain you and they just don't do it for me.
She's probably happier out of there anyway. She'll be out on the town with Dan tonight no doubt, looking for some z-list celeb or footballer to rub herself all over while getting snapped by z-list paps for the daily rags.
She's probably already booked in for her Nuts photo shoot in the week. Probably was before she even went in there!

Who are you to call the housemates "nobodies"?

Bit rich you saying she acts superior when that's exactly what you're doing in the post by looking down on the housemates.

Yet another fan who think people who go on BB are scum yet tunes in nightly to watch.

My god it must be so tiring having this much hatred.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones should just be shortened to *BB FANS

[halfacrown]

Originally Posted by MatthewS

Oh don't get me wrong, it's obviously 'shady' on both of their parts and certainly not the moral thing to do, I don't doubt that at all.

However, I think it's getting blown way out of proportion with relation to Hazel, whereas Daley has had a pretty easy ride. It seems like she's taking the brunt of the hostility, and I'm not sure why. At the very least, I think we can agree that the signals coming from Daley regarding his relationship status were mixed, and he was the one who initiated the escalation with Hazel by writing on her hand that he liked her. I get that people are sensitive about it and the public don't like it, but then why vote them into the safe house? The public had every opportunity to put anybody else in there, but they didn't. They flirted a lot, sure. Is that really the worst thing in the world though? Hazel got pressed and pressed by Emma on it in her interview, yet with Daley Emma was sympathetic and essentially let him say his peace and move on. Meanwhile, this is a guy who puts his hands around a womans neck and makes aggressive threats leading to him being removed from the house. It's a pretty ******ed up way of distributing 'blame' imo lol

The only reason to put them in was to see what they got up to, would they end up having sex or would they pull themselves together? Well, it went badly and it did neither of them any favours.

Because Daley lost his place in the house, he'd already received the ultimate punishment and all focus was inevitably turned onto Hazel. She was not open about why Daley was ejected to the rest of the housemates, nor did she tell them that she had got a warning. They were in disbelief about it all and, again, Hazel's stock went down.

We agree on much, but where we disagree, is on the issue of blame. BB is a popularity contest and none of the housemates have to do 'the worst thing in the world' in order to lose popularity fast. I think that Daley would have been vilified too, if he'd have stayed in.

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by MatthewS

I agree with you here. However, you also have to wonder why people (perhaps even Emma and the public) present her as a home-wrecking, maneating, *****. It's an interesting double standard and reeks of hypocrisy. She never hooked up with Daley, the most they did was flirt a little bit. Big ******ing deal. He's the one that's in a relationship, not Hazel. And yes, I know we heard multiple stories from him about that status of that relationship, but that's his business. Then the public, who obviously find this so offensive, vote them into the safehouse together. Makes sense (sarcasm). When Emma interviews Daley after, she's sympathetic. When she interviews Hazel, she keeps pressing her on the topic. It's all so odd.

It's as if there is a biased agenda at play within BB!?!?!

[MatthewS]

Oh for sure, I think we agree on most of it. I don't like either of them personally, but I don't hate and detest Hazel either, I think she made a few costly mistakes and rightfully wasn't going to win because of it. I feel much more negatively towards Daley. The whole voting them into safe house together to see what they got up, I mean, I get it, it's entertaining, but it's also the public setting them up. I really think they were voted in because the public wanted to see something happen, and when it did, they act shocked and appalled. Too funny lol

[anne666]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

So basically you are saying that Hazel couldn't control herself? I agree, actually.

She should also be called out on "He told me he was single". Er, no he gave mixed messages which any decent female should have interpreted as 'stay away'.

On a side note, I wonder what people, especially Callum fans, think of his burgeoning friendship outside the house with Daley? Obviously Callum will by now have been able to review the controversy, including the safe house footage he did not see while he was in BB. He has presumably concluded that Daley is, notwithstanding what happened, a basically decent bloke.

I wouldn't take a jot of notice on anything Callum concluded about anything at all.

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by lippyzippy

who? shes forgotten already lol

That's why you're reading a thread about her,and contributing a number of posts!?!?

[anne666]

I thought the interview was controlled by Hazel. How else could she repeat the same few sentences so many times. That was NOT what her time in the house was all about surely. Daley has been gone for weeks, thank goodness. Emma could NOT introduce a new topic until the very end. Was this to satisfy the blood thirsty morons amongst the general public. I didn't like Hazel but the over reaction has been startling.
Also why did BB pair D and her up together for the safe house. This happened after BOTS stunt of interviewing the girlfriend with such faux sympathy. Shambles the lot of it. Sleaze TV.

[MatthewS]

It's like Emma wasn't prepared to accept Hazels answers and was really trying to get the answer she wanted out of Hazel, which really isn't the best way to conduct an interview. I thought Hazel did well in the sense that she gave the answer she wanted to and wasn't swayed by Emmas prodding and attempts to elicit the response she was after.

[halfacrown]

Originally Posted by MatthewS

Oh for sure, I think we agree on most of it. I don't like either of them personally, but I don't hate and detest Hazel either, I think she made a few costly mistakes and rightfully wasn't going to win because of it. I feel much more negatively towards Daley. The whole voting them into safe house together to see what they got up, I mean, I get it, it's entertaining, but it's also the public setting them up. I really think they were voted in because the public wanted to see something happen, and when it did, they act shocked and appalled. Too funny lol

They can both go off into anonymity now, if they want. However, I'm quite sure they don't want, they would both love the limelight. I wouldn't rule out them getting together either and the public are extremely fickle, so it might be worth a few bob to them yet, wouldn't that be ironic?

[anne666]

Originally Posted by halfacrown

They can both go off into anonymity now, if they want. However, I'm quite sure they don't want, they would both love the limelight. I wouldn't rule out them getting together either and the public are extremely fickle, so it might be worth a few bob to them yet, wouldn't that be ironic?

I would expect nothing less now.Lets wait and see. Mag deals aplenty for them.

[MatthewS]

Originally Posted by halfacrown

They can both go off into anonymity now, if they want. However, I'm quite sure they don't want, they would both love the limelight. I wouldn't rule out them getting together either and the public are extremely fickle, so it might be worth a few bob to them yet, wouldn't that be ironic?

Yeah I could see that happening. I mean, I guess anyone who goes on BB is looking for a bit of fame, if you weren't, surely you'd avoid a nationally televised 2 month long 'reality' show. I bet even Sophie & Sam, the two housemates who I think care least about it, will do some interviews/appearances/magazines after and make a quick buck.

[the_answers]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

In more ways than 1 last night but the best part for me was when Emma showed her a video of apparently why the public turned on her (flirting with Daley), her reaction was.

"Well the public were the ones who voted us into the safehouse".

Spot on.

If the public thought she was such a home wrecking bitch then why would they then vote them into a house together?

Because they love to piss and moan and spew hatred on people, simple as that.

Spot on !

[Indy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You are one massive contradiction. She should have stayed away and is bad because she didn't but Daley who was the one involved with someone else is "basically a decent bloke"? Err... What? I don't disagree that people can do these things and still basically be decent but by your own logic... Hazel could have "stolen" (even if such a thing was possible) someone's man and, SURELY, still be "basically a decent person". By your own logic. If not, you have ridiculous double standards.

Not sure what your point is with the second part about Callum. Hazel made it quite clear, I thought, in her Emma interview that she thinks that "Daley is basically a decent bloke" and that she didnt want him to be removed.

Not sure she'll still think that when she sees his BOTS interview and things in the press where he whined like a little bitch and blamed her for his actions, though. Tiny, tiny little man that he is.

Not to mention when she sees what a raving lunatic he was before she went into the room with him.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Really? Because even Emma applauded her for being so strong and not fazed by them.

She strutted out that door, looked amazing then gave the best interview all series.

The audience got their 5 minutes to boo as usual which was the highlight of their week and Hazel is going on to make a shed load of cash.

Hazel wins.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

The public did not require her to be sexually provocative.

So it is crap.

AJ has tweeted that "no stone will be left unturned" with Hazel, who has so far got off lightly in the interviews.

Are you serious - the public put them in there in the hope something would happen. They provoked the situation - then had the gaul to attack Hazel.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by jegmeister

A classic tactic of narcissists is to change the subject when you know you've lost the argument.

Gina only ever had one subject she was interested in - slagging off Hazel and would change any and every subject so she could stick more pins in Hazel.

[armand.kay]

She clocked emma and left everyone looking stupid.

[jegmeister]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

Gina only ever had one subject she was interested in - slagging off Hazel and would change any and every subject so she could stick more pins in Hazel.

Until the last few days she hardly spoke about her. It's only because Hazel deliberately goaded her continuously that she has talked so much about her. Otherwise, it was only really in the Safe House. Hazel is a massive narcissist, Gina isn't. She is just spoilt.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jegmeister

Hazel is a massive narcissist, Gina isn't. She is just spoilt.

Gina is a clear narcissist. Admittedly, Hazel is too. But then, I'm struggling to think of a HM this year who isn't. Dexter is a self-confessed narcissist, Dan was massively... so was Callum... and Wolfie. DEFINITELY Jackie - and Charlie is very much her daughter. The Twins are the biggest narcissists in there. Everyone this year has absolutely adored the sound of their own voice... even Sam and Sophie "the bores" are narcissistic bores.

So while it's impossible to deny that Hazel is... it doesn't really matter. It only puts her on a level playing field with all of the other HMs, and she's not even the worst this year.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

She clocked emma and left everyone looking stupid.

Ironically enough - Charlie's friend actually helped her out a lot. By bringing up Daley so close to the end she confirmed why Hazel had been so disliked on the outside, and so Hazel had almost a full week to assess the questions she was likely to face and prepare her answers for them. She was completely ready for the Emma interview, complete with quotes, examples, exact order of events with Daley etc.

Charlie's friend unwittingly helped her to not be caught off guard.