[Me. I Am Salman]

Even if that was true which it's not Evander was referring to the entire gay demographic

[Jezzy]

I just don't think who you have sex with is a defining characteristic of who you are, let alone having to stick a label on it. My boyfriend is 18 years younger than me, we have been together 7 years, go figure.

You fall in love with a person rather than their gender, no? It's only constraints from what you are taught to believe by society that makes you question whether or not it is right.

That's my viewpoint - there are a lot more controversial viewpoints out there, but that's why we are all different, and that's why we should all embrace the mixture of souls in this world.

I was baptised a catholic. I am adopted, my roots are Spanish / Arab. My parents brought me up to be a freethinker. There is a lot that should be embraced about religion and religious beliefs. I do not believe Jesus Christ was the son of God. Sons of God belong in the Greek Myths for me. I believe in reincarnation, I believe in different levels of different types of existence. There is not a religion that encompasses my beliefs, yet I am a very religious / spiritual person.

I think all I am trying to say is that the big things in life don't fit neatly into boxes. The media may tell you that they should, but they don't. Tolerance and acceptance, those are my words to live by, no matter how greatly I may disagree.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

I just don't think who you have sex with is a defining characteristic of who you are, let alone having to stick a label on it. My boyfriend is 18 years younger than me, we have been together 7 years, go figure.

You fall in love with a person rather than their gender, no? It's only constraints from what you are taught to believe by society that makes you question whether or not it is right.

That's my viewpoint - there are a lot more controversial viewpoints out there, but that's why we are all different, and that's why we should all embrace the mixture of souls in this world.

I was baptised a catholic. I am adopted, my roots are Spanish / Arab. My parents brought me up to be a freethinker. There is a lot that should be embraced about religion and religious beliefs. I do not believe Jesus Christ was the son of God. Sons of God belong in the Greek Myths for me. I believe in reincarnation, I believe in different levels of different types of existence. There is not a religion that encompasses my beliefs, yet I am a very religious / spiritual person.

I think all I am trying to say is that the big things in life don't fit neatly into boxes. The media may tell you that they should, but they don't. Tolerance and acceptance, those are my words to live by, no matter how greatly I may disagree.

hhhmmm I don't know about that, well from my own point of view, sexually I don't think I could ever fall in love in the romantic/sexual sense with a women, the actual act of sex with another woman is a bit repulsive to me, I couldn't imagine ever feeling any different about that, I have never physically found a woman attractive, sure i can appreciate a good looking woman but I've never thought wow I'd love a bit of that or whatever And I do think most people are either attracted to one or the other gender

But again, I do accept your points and that not everyone thinks the same way as I do

[Apple202]

why is "it's just their opinion" seemingly only valid when it's to do with homophobia or trans-phobia? if someone was racist or sexist they'd be shouted down, no question about their invalid, ignorant "opinion"

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Apple202

why is "it's just their opinion" seemingly only valid when it's to do with homophobia or trans-phobia? if someone was racist or sexist they'd be shouted down, no question about their invalid, ignorant "opinion"

Maybe society prioritises racism and sexism as important but deem gayism or whatever label you want hang on it, as not that important unless you are gay and suffer from a severe hatred of people that promote homophobic issues. Sadly most homophobic issues can and are interpreted differently depending on your beliefs. My son is gay and he calls his partner head ****, If I did that I would be locked up. What I don't understand is the level of expressionism certain gays have against the smallest of things these days.

[Apple202]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Maybe society prioritises racism and sexism as important but deem gayism or whatever label you want hang on it, as not that important unless you are gay and suffer from a severe hatred of people that promote homophobic issues. Sadly most homophobic issues can and are interpreted differently depending on your beliefs. My son is gay and he calls his partner head ****, If I did that I would be locked up. What I don't understand is the level of expressionism certain gays have against the smallest of things these days.

I'm not wasting my breath on you

Only a ginger, can call another ginger, ginger.

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Only a ginger, can call another ginger, ginger.

I suspect you enjoy watching Tim Minchin

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Only a ginger, can call another ginger, ginger.

And belated Happy Birthday!!

[Jezzy]

My daughter's a redhead. Why is it ok for ginger jokes and ginger beating? Nobody out there protecting ginges....

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

My daughter's a redhead. Why is it ok for ginger jokes and ginger beating? Nobody out there protecting ginges....

I agree actually, people seem to be selective in what they find offensive how many people have called people fatty,ginger,four eyes,****** etc is that not also offensive? but all that seems ok,lol .

[Apple202]

^are you serious?

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Apple202

^are you serious?

Why?

Isn't it just as random to pick on someone for who they sleep with? What's it got to do with you?

[Apple202]

I don't think anyone has an actual problem with gingers that extends beyond primary school, so if you could not compare it to homophobia that would be fab

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Apple202

I don't think anyone has an actual problem with gingers that extends beyond primary school, so if you could not compare it to homophobia that would be fab

You would be wrong. In any case, primary school years are formative, they teach you about hatred and isolation. So gingers get it at primary school, so other "minorities"? get it in later life. Who is more equipped to deal with it, and why is any form of prejudice different to any other?

I don't think it's even fair to compare gingers and gay people. I think you can compare gingers with fat people from a societal point of view, but no one has tried to prevent gingers from marrying each other. Although the ginger gene should have to be declared before coitus. Just. In. Case.

[courses]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

You would be wrong. In any case, primary school years are formative, they teach you about hatred and isolation. So gingers get it at primary school, so other "minorities"? get it in later life. Who is more equipped to deal with it, and why is any form of prejudice different to any other?

I still get nasty comments occasionally, and I'm well past primary school. I agree I think the point of comparing gingerism(?) to homophobia is to show how ridiculous it is to hate someone for something so arbitrary and out of their control.

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by courses

I still get nasty comments occasionally, and I'm well past primary school. I agree I think the point of comparing gingerism(?) to homophobia is to show how ridiculous it is to hate someone for something so arbitrary and out of their control.

Exactly that. Thank you courses

[courses]

Originally Posted by Jezzy

Exactly that. Thank you courses

Welcome. I must say I'm sad to have come on here and see such a heated debate, I assumed that everyone would agree that Evander's views are ridiculous and not try to defend him.

[Jezzy]

It'll be the first time in my life I've said it, but Jesus, I think I love you.

Originally Posted by Jezzy

It'll be the first time in my life I've said it, but Jesus, I think I love you.

Well if it's any consolation, I never tire of hearing it!

[Jezzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Well if it's any consolation, I never tire of hearing it!

Oh Jesus, don't you ever get tired of the overwhelming love?

[Josiah.]

Okay, I really am offended by some of the comments. Please stop arguing before I bring Josy in to close this thread.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Josiah.

Okay, I really am offended by some of the comments. Please stop arguing before I bring Josy in to close this thread.

lol what

People still don't hate gingers though - it is stupid, but there is a huge difference between our racial and homophobic past, and some stupid, yet non-malicious mockery.

I suppose I can say that though, because one of my best friends is a ginger.