[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Sadam was just as brutal and evil as the ISIS are. it's okay to hate both. it's not one or the other dude. It's not hypocritical to hate both.

Sadam was better than ISIS.
he could control that nation.


Stupid Bush/Blair

[lostalex]

why have the british press gone from calling them ISIS to just calling them IS forces? i noticed that in the past few days.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

why have the british press gone from calling them ISIS to just calling them IS forces? i noticed that in the past few days.

IS stands for the Islamic State which they seem to have taken to calling themselves more recently in Iraq: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-9571374.html

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

IS stands for the Islamic State which they seem to have taken to calling themselves more recently in Iraq: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-9571374.html

yea, and it used to be Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. and they are cross borders. Why is the press trying to deny that this is a cross border problem, both Iraq and Syria. are we meant to forget about Syria??

I'm glad that the US is finally starting to wake up to the problem in Iraq, but it's not okay to forget about what's happening in Syria, we hate Assad so it's okay to support ISIS in Syria, but we are against them in Iraq? It's the same terrorist group.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

yea, and it used to be Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. and they are cross borders. Why is the press trying to deny that this is a cross border problem, both Iraq and Syria. are we meant to forget about Syria??

I'm glad that the US is finally starting to wake up to the problem in Iraq, but it's not okay to forget about what's happening in Syria, we hate Assad so it's okay to support ISIS in Syria, but we are against them in Iraq? It's the same terrorist group.

I agree, that's the whole problem. If Isis can be headed off in Iraq than great but then they will just focus more attention elsewhere, mainly to Syria and like you say we can't start attacking them there because then we'd essentially be defending Assad. I don't think the West has a clue what to do now about Syria tbh, they might quietly be hoping that Assad's forces can actually defeat the Islamists there.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I agree, that's the whole problem. If Isis can be headed off in Iraq than great but then they will just focus more attention elsewhere, mainly to Syria and like you say we can't start attacking them there because then we'd essentially be defending Assad. I don't think the West has a clue what to do now about Syria tbh, they might quietly be hoping that Assad's forces can actually defeat the Islamists there.

I agree with your assessment completely. the west is damned if they do and damned if they don't.

but there are innocent people trapped on a mountain, and i am proud for my tax dollars to help save as many of them as possible. I think it is a noble mission. It's about time we started making things right.

[arista]

A USA General on All News
just said its temp that they are holding ISIS back for now
while try to help those on the Mountains.

So far ISIS has not blown a USA Helicopter
out of the sky.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

A USA General on All News
just said its temp that they are holding ISIS back for now
while try to help those on the Mountains.

So far ISIS has not blown a USA Helicopter
out of the sky.

why is it when you say that you sound like you want it to happen. asshole.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

why is it when you say that you sound like you want it to happen. asshole.

Wrong I do not want any Deaths.


But going in this late
things will go wrong.

[arista]

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by arista

OMG!

[arista]

Matt Wright on His Ch5HD show
said the PM should return from his Portugal holiday
and recall Parliament


He is Fecking mental.


This ISIS War
is not our war.

[arista]

Yes his son learning to hold the Cut Off head of a dead enemy
If only Bush/Blair never touched Iraq.


and now

[Bill O'Reilly really went after President Obama tonight for, he argued, failing to take any
concrete action to stop the spread of ISIS in Iraq. O’Reilly charged that Obama
“does not want to lead” and he has allowed a massive spread of terrorism under his watch.
O’Reilly found it unbelievable that the White House didn’t recognize any immediate danger
from these “killers.” He charged that for “one solid year,” Obama “did absolutely nothing to
contain this threat.” He even went so far as to say what’s happening now is comparable
to the lead-up to World War II, and there’s “no difference in the mentality of the Nazis and ISIS.”]

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/oreilly-t...-to-stop-isis/
Video Link

[arista]

Video: Reporter Confronts Iraq ISIS Militants

http://news.sky.com/story/1317482/vi...isis-militants
Video has subtitles
at least they know of him as a independent reporter Rudaw
and did not shoot him.

[arista]

A Helicopter Crashed (Iraqi Control)
due to far to many people on board
A New York Reporter managed to stay alive
but the Pilot died

Many of the the other 3 are trying to move
children and woman off the mountain.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

A Helicopter Crashed (Iraqi Control)
due to far to many people on board
A New York Reporter managed to stay alive
but the Pilot died

Many of the the other 3 are trying to move
children and woman off the mountain.

I told you. you shouldn't have wished for it.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I told you. you shouldn't have wished for it.

I did not


Its just its bound to happen
and this was not a American Helicopter
its the Iraqi troops

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

I did not


Its just its bound to happen
and this was not a American Helicopter
its the Iraqi troops

well, if your wife crashes the car you bought her...

you still feel like it's your car... just saying

[Nedusa]

Another day another crisis in the Middle East, the west has inadvertently caused this mess by their initial rush to War in Iraq in 2003. In their haste to topple Saddam they had no realistic plan to cope with the aftermath.

Years later and after a very dubious attempt to create a western leaning Iraqi Govt and army we watch in horror as large parts of that army with weapons supplied by the west decide not to go along with the western supported Govt of Maliki preferring instead to join the Isis group. a group so extreme that even Al Queda want nothing to do with them.

Now switch across to Syria another Country the west feels is ready for regime change and our old friend Assad is fighting dissent by his own population. So what does the west do ? It arms all the groups fighting against Assad as they are the enemy of my enemy so they must be my friends....right

Err...No actually they are the same terrorist extremists the west has been fighting in Iraq,Afghanistan,Libya they are no friend of the West.

Anyway now in our pretty little picture of Middle Eastern chaos we have large numbers of young Jihadists battle hardened with hatred against the west and their Non Sunni brothers...and armed to the teeth with weapons from Syria and the deserters from the Iraqi army.

So why wouldn't they try and set up their own Caliphate they have plenty of heavy weaponry billions of Dollars of stolen cash and lots of time and money to enjoy their murderous killing spree.

They say you reap what you sow, and boy how true is that now turning out to be.





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[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Another day another crisis in the Middle East, the west has inadvertently caused this mess by their initial rush to War in Iraq in 2003. In their haste to topple Saddam they had no realistic plan to cope with the aftermath.

Years later and after a very dubious attempt to create a western leaning Iraqi Govt and army we watch in horror as large parts of that army with weapons supplied by the west decide not to go along with the western supported Govt of Maliki preferring instead to join the Isis group. a group so extreme that even Al Queda want nothing to do with them.

Now switch across to Syria another Country the west feels is ready for regime change and our old friend Assad is fighting dissent by his own population. So what does the west do ? It arms all the groups fighting against Assad as they are the enemy of my enemy so they must be my friends....right

Err...No actually they are the same terrorist extremists the west has been fighting in Iraq,Afghanistan,Libya they are no friend of the West.

Anyway now in our pretty little picture of Middle Eastern chaos we have large numbers of young Jihadists battle hardened with hatred against the west and their Non Sunni brothers...and armed to the teeth with weapons from Syria and the deserters from the Iraqi army.

So why wouldn't they try and set up their own Caliphate they have plenty of heavy weaponry billions of Dollars of stolen cash and lots of time and money to enjoy their murderous killing spree.

They say you reap what you sow, and boy how true is that now turning out to be.





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[anne666]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Another day another crisis in the Middle East, the west has inadvertently caused this mess by their initial rush to War in Iraq in 2003. In their haste to topple Saddam they had no realistic plan to cope with the aftermath.

Years later and after a very dubious attempt to create a western leaning Iraqi Govt and army we watch in horror as large parts of that army with weapons supplied by the west decide not to go along with the western supported Govt of Maliki preferring instead to join the Isis group. a group so extreme that even Al Queda want nothing to do with them.

Now switch across to Syria another Country the west feels is ready for regime change and our old friend Assad is fighting dissent by his own population. So what does the west do ? It arms all the groups fighting against Assad as they are the enemy of my enemy so they must be my friends....right

Err...No actually they are the same terrorist extremists the west has been fighting in Iraq,Afghanistan,Libya they are no friend of the West.

Anyway now in our pretty little picture of Middle Eastern chaos we have large numbers of young Jihadists battle hardened with hatred against the west and their Non Sunni brothers...and armed to the teeth with weapons from Syria and the deserters from the Iraqi army.

So why wouldn't they try and set up their own Caliphate they have plenty of heavy weaponry billions of Dollars of stolen cash and lots of time and money to enjoy their murderous killing spree.

They say you reap what you sow, and boy how true is that now turning out to be.

.

Very good summary! Everyone saying the US and ourselves should not get involved? We are and always have been since early last century, too reliant on the oil rich middle eastern countries. They aren't equipped to attack anyone. They haven'r needed to be. They hold us to ransom because of oil and know we have the military power to take care of them and our own interests. We have no other option than to get involved especially if the IS do what Hussein did and move into Kuwait and anywhere else where they can take their oil power and wealth away from them. They're already doing that in Iraq and it's all part of their mission. Humanitarianism comes second to oil of that I'm very sure.
Saddam Hussein was removed thinking that would rid the oil rich countries and us of our biggest threat.

Obama's miscalculations summarised and I believe there is a responsibility here to act upon.


http://en.ammonnews.net/article.aspx...6#.U_9rBDKwJJB

This is a thought provoking article about what when America no longer needs their oil.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/lorentho...ddle-east-oil/

This was from 2 years ago and in light of what the IS doing now, it's alarming.

This is a good article and summary "terror and oil" from 2003, during the second Iraq war, the gravest error of judgement in this bloody mess.


http://www.iags.org/n0111041.htm

The middle east has had 1300 years of struggle for control of resources and still is. Now we have a double huge problem very wealthy and barbaric IS determined on world wide genocide and wealth. The IS are armed to the teeth with American weapons

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/8/5982501/...ipment-in-iraq

[arista]

[They say you reap what you sow, and boy how true is that now turning out to be.]



Yes Bush/Blair dumb

[arista]

The PM Al -Maliki has now stood down in Iraq



Ref: SkyNewsHD and CNN


http://news.sky.com/story/1318261/ir...ion-called-off

[lostalex]

what a load of bull**** medusa. so the innocent people killed by religious fanatics are people reaping what they sow? explain that to me... innocent people with no connection to America, or Al queada, or sad am hussein, or anything else to do with any of the bull**** politics you are talking about, but they are still DEAD, how is that reaping what they sow??

what a load of crap.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by lostalex

what a load of bull**** medusa. so the innocent people killed by religious fanatics are people reaping what they sow? explain that to me... innocent people with no connection to America, or Al queada, or sad am hussein, or anything else to do with any of the bull**** politics you are talking about, but they are still DEAD, how is that reaping what they sow??

what a load of crap.

Wtf...???

Does it hurt your brain when you try to understand Middle eastern politics .

Best left to the adults I think, you should go back to reading your comics.