[Jules2]

Originally Posted by FlippingEck

Wow... now there's something to be proud of.. I can see the likeness.. arrogant rude homophobic racist.. yeah,, all the wonderful positive traits you'd look for in hero!

He was a worthy winner of his series, I loved him and voted for him all the way through.

[Suze]

Originally Posted by Jules2

He was a worthy winner of his series, I loved him and voted for him all the way through.

Ditto.

[FlippingEck]

Originally Posted by Jules2

He was a worthy winner of his series, I loved him and voted for him all the way through.

Good, im pleased for you. I disagree with you thank God. Racism and homophobia are not qualities I like to see rewarded.. in any way.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by FlippingEck

Good, im pleased for you. I disagree with you thank God. Racism and homophobia are not qualities I like to see rewarded.. in any way.

Don't forget the wife beating!

[Suze]

Originally Posted by Jules2

I think that the majority of us have watched BB long enough to know that none of the HMs are perfect, they each have their own agenda. Many accept them for what and who they are, not out of sympathy or adulation just respect and the love of something different other than bedding, sex talk, bitching etc. etc.

Havent really seen many do gooders for Gary, only people who respect him. I love the cultural difference and I love learning from it but sadly I always think that the Brits let themselves down. Imo none of them can compare with some of the Americans we have had on the show, in this instance it is, Gary.

I wonder who will be let out of the sheep pen tomorrow, hopefully Stephanie.

With you on that, so fingers crossed.

[Josy]

It's not as simple as '13 to 1'.

Some of the housemates take time to talk to Gary, Edele, Frenchy and a couple of others come to mind but it's easier for them to join the pack.

Dee never had a problem with Gary until the task where she took the easy way out and named him for everything, then when he spoke to her about it that's when she started moaning about him, did you hear Dee say one bad thing about Gary before that? I heard moans about Leslie, not Gary though.

Ricci and Lauren follow the crowd but Lauren has said herself 'you just have to take Gary the way he is'

Stephanie has had a problem with him since the start.

And James well he likes to pretend he is helping him but bitches about him behind his back constantly.

The only problem most can come up with is they are annoyed at having to repeat themselves which shows how ignorant they are, not Gary, hell even David said last night he 'had to repeat himself 3 times'

Omg 3 times. Tragic.

[JoshBB]

Gary gets bullied, it's his fault. I hate your way of thinking.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Don't forget the wife beating!

Exactly !!! what a lovely man he is

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Gary gets bullied, it's his fault. I hate your way of thinking.

Please show proof of bullying ..........thanks

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

It's not as simple as '13 to 1'.

Some of the housemates take time to talk to Gary, Edele, Frenchy and a couple of others come to mind but it's easier for them to join the pack.

Dee never had a problem with Gary until the task where she took the easy way out and named him for everything, then when he spoke to her about it that's when she started moaning about him, did you hear Dee say one bad thing about Gary before that? I heard moans about Leslie, not Gary though.

Ricci and Lauren follow the crowd but Lauren has said herself 'you just have to take Gary the way he is'

Stephanie has had a problem with him since the start.

And James well he likes to pretend he is helping him but bitches about him behind his back constantly.

The only problem most can come up with is they are annoyed at having to repeat themselves which shows how ignorant they are, not Gary, hell even David said last night he 'had to repeat himself 3 times'

Omg 3 times. Tragic.

Does HE make an effort with them? they all go to each other to chat, by what Ive seen the last couple of days hardly anyones talking to Leslie I cannot find a thread on that ?

[mary poppins]

Of course dee had a problem with Gary after the task, she tried to explain it was a task and they all had to do it but he didn't want to listen!..he kept butting in about the genius in him and his spirituality.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Does HE make an effort with them? they all go to each other to chat, by what Ive seen the last couple of days hardly anyones talking to Leslie I cannot find a thread on that ?

I can't believe I'm reading this. He makes constant effort.

Did you watch the LF Chuff? because I am actually gobsmacked that you would think the complete opposite of what is actually happening even if you do hate Gary.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by Josy

I can't believe I'm reading this. He makes constant effort.

Did you watch the LF Chuff? because I am actually gobsmacked that you would think the complete opposite of what is actually happening even if you do hate Gary.

Same can't believe anyone could disagree

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Does HE make an effort with them? they all go to each other to chat, by what Ive seen the last couple of days hardly anyones talking to Leslie I cannot find a thread on that ?

Yeah he makes an effort all the time to approach them. Then they accuse him of butting in or walk off. Then you accuse him of butting in and being rude. What is he supposed to do sit in a corner and rock?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Yeah he makes an effort all the time to approach them. Then they accuse him of butting in or walk off. Then you accuse him of butting in and being rude. What is he supposed to do sit in a corner and rock?

He wants to try getting showered ,putting clean clothes on using deodorant ,maybe they would be more welcoming

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

He wants to try getting showered ,putting clean clothes on using deodorant ,maybe they would be more welcoming

I can't see much point in talking to you/responding to you. You have your mind set and you are unwilling to open your view to anyone else's. You claim he makes no effort, when we point out he does you revert to 'he smells'. Ignoring the fact that he has been making every effort to shower after he was lectured about it.

[jessicadanielle]

I know that some Gary fans are a bit full on and won't accept he's ever done anything wrong, but Gary "haters" are just something else! No matter what he does he's criticised.

If he tries to make effort he's "barging in" on conversations and it's rude. If he doesn't (but I believe he does), it's his own fault for isolating himself, doesn't care about others, and is rude. It's unbelievable.

[Amy Jade]

Frenchy, Edele, Claire and Lauren seem fine with him.

The problem is the latter 3 are quieter so the nasty lot get more screen time.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

I know that some Gary fans are a bit full on and won't accept he's ever done anything wrong, but Gary "haters" are just something else! No matter what he does he's criticised.

If he tries to make effort he's "barging in" on conversations and it's rude. If he doesn't (but I believe he does), it's his own fault for isolating himself, doesn't care about others, and is rude. It's unbelievable.

Excuse me, don't tar everyone who dislikes Gary with the same brush please.. I might not like Gary or his attitude, but i can and have admitted, that he does try to include himself and a lot of the time, he does get included.. He doesn't isolate himself on purpose, but his attitude and his lack of hygiene does attribute to him being 'isolated'

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Excuse me, don't tar everyone who dislikes Gary with the same brush please.. I might not like Gary or his attitude, but i can and have admitted, that he does try to include himself and a lot of the time, he does get included.. He doesn't isolate himself on purpose, but his attitude and his lack of hygiene does attribute to him being 'isolated'

Sorry, I should have said "some" Gary "haters"

[mary poppins]

Idont believe there are any"Gary haters"...they are Gary fans who can see his faults not just the other 13's faults

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

I know that some Gary fans are a bit full on and won't accept he's ever done anything wrong, but Gary "haters" are just something else! No matter what he does he's criticised.

If he tries to make effort he's "barging in" on conversations and it's rude. If he doesn't (but I believe he does), it's his own fault for isolating himself, doesn't care about others, and is rude. It's unbelievable.

It was the same normal bb ,Ashliegh fans could see no wrong in her

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

It doesn't take a lot of figuring out ,ALL the hm8s dislike Busey ,not the odd 1 or 2 ,but its all the others fault and not Garys ? oh come on !!

Why must it be Gary's fault just because all the housemates bully him?

Personally I think they are all jealous that he is the only true star in there and see him as an easy target.

I have seen many situations where a group turn against one person and it is always what they perceive as the weakest person.

I have no qualms about saying that Gary is being bullied. It is the worst case I have ever seen of it in BB. Worse than Shahbaz.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Why must it be Gary's fault just because all the housemates bully him?

Personally I think they are all jealous that he is the only true star in there and see him as an easy target.

I have seen many situations where a group turn against one person and it is always what they perceive as the weakest person.

I have no qualms about saying that Gary is being bullied. It is the worst case I have ever seen of it in BB. Worse than Shahbaz.

Worse than Shahbaz? wow, that is some reaching.. shahbaz was genuinely bullied in there, Gary is not being bullied, he's just disliked

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Worse than Shahbaz? wow, that is some reaching.. shahbaz was genuinely bullied in there, Gary is not being bullied, he's just disliked

No, he's definitely being bullied, in my opinion. We are allowed to hold different ones, you know.