[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by jet

Yes.

To me, what Gary did was fine, and to me what James said in return was fine as well. It's entertainment, but people turn it into a love/hate fest where one person is totally right and the other totally wrong. I think Gary was winding James up, but that is GOOD as it adds to the show and I think James;s reaction was GOOD as it adds to the show. It gives us a talking point. But the whole nasty name calling is getting way out of control imo and I don't ever remember it being as bad as it has this year from certain posters.
I'm going to call it a day now because I think the last 2 days are going to get vicious.

I understand and agree with what you are saying and i can see what you are saying.

I agree also that some posters are getting out of control and taking it way too serious, because of this it's disrupting what should be a nice experience voicing opinions and sharing views and is turning into attacks and name calling, i'm also going to give it a rest until next year

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by HBB1508

I'm totally with you there Jet - I don't bother coming on here too much now as you just get insulted if you are anything but a Gary fan sadly - life is too short!!

sorry to hear that Lynne (from a Gary fan). As you say life is too short to be insulted over a TV programme, some people get carried away

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I understand and agree with what you are saying and i can see what you are saying.

I agree also that some posters are getting out of control and taking it way too serious, because of this it's disrupting what should be a nice experience voicing opinions and sharing views and is turning into attacks and name calling, i'm also going to give it a rest until next year

Is it really that bad Ruby? I must admit I don't read alot of threads as I am too busy with work at the moment I must be missing alot of the OTT behaviour.

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Gary is blunt, why should he tippy toe around James fake shock that Ricci went

James and Ricci were buddies in the house, so a bit of sympathy / empathy might have gone down better. I don't think that Gary was deliberately winding James up in this case. He always has problems empathising with others - I wonder if it's a result of the brain injury or if he's ever been assessed for Asperger's syndrome.

Another problem is that Gary is coming from a different planet from James in terms of the entertainment industry. James works closely with people and doesn't spend a lot of time in front of cameras - most of his work is behind the scenes with the same people, so he has forged life-long friendships through his work - including Ola, so he is probably viewing the connections he's making on BB as real friendships. Gary has done more than a hundred films and the whole Hollywood business is known to be extremely superficial, and soulless, with people being dropped like hot potatoes if their last film bombed. BB is just another 'show' to Gary and he's looking to serving up a slice of whatever entertainment people are wanting, and has no interest in making friends.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

James and Ricci were buddies in the house, so a bit of sympathy / empathy might have gone down better. The problem is that Gary is coming from a different planet from James in terms of the entertainment industry. James works closely with people and doesn't spend a lot of time in front of cameras - most of his work is behind the scenes with the same people, so he has forged life-long friendships through his work - including Ola, so he is probably viewing the connections he's making on BB as real friendships. Gary has done more than a hundred films and the whole Hollywood business is known to be extremely superficial, and soulless, with people being dropped like hot potatoes if their last film bombed. BB is just another 'show' to Gary and he's looking to serving up a slice of whatever entertainment people are wanting, and has no interest in making friends.

I don't think that Gary was deliberately winding James up in this case. He always has problems empathising with others - I wonder if it's just his ego, or if he's ever been assessed for Asperger's syndrome.

I could understand it if it were at the beginning but with two days left in the series its hard to get emotional about people leaving, I think James was irked because as he said in one of the VTs Ricci was in his "ultimate final" and Gary and Audley are not. I think you are right in some ways but I doubt the British entertainment industry are any less "soulless" or cutthroat than Hollywood. James himself said apart from Anton the other boys on Strictly are bland, not a very nice comment to make about people you have worked with for years. Gary was just saying imo in his rather blunt way that Ricci left because the audience found him boring which they knew because of the earlier task. Maybe he should have patted James on the back and made the right noises, but at that moment in time he didn't want to do that. As for Aspergers, I would imagine Gary has seen a number of therapists over the years if he had Aspergers I am pretty sure it would be diagnosed by now!

[bots]

I fully expect James, Dee, George and Edele to take every opportunity to have a go at Gary over the next 24 hours.The last day isn't shown on TV so they won't do it then. This will be interspersed with the odd pop at Audley in case he could pull off a win

On the other side, I see Gary and Audley making life as uncomfortable as they can for J,D,G, and E to try and bring out the worst sides in them. It will be pure game play, the crown is in sight

[calyman]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

I agree so much.

I have a lot of sympathy with people who've been clashing with Gary, because he's very hard to have a dialogue with. I'd prefer to spend three weeks with James than a day with Gary.

I'd rather spend 3 years in the 9th circle of hell, than 3 minutes with the brad **** of dancing

[Cherie]

10.28am: James is gutted Ricci has gone. He wanted to get his hair cut #BBUKLive


says it all really, well done Gary for cutting through the BS

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by delta

My goodness, that's like admonishing a child when the parent hits it, telling them you made me do it because you were bad.


In other words, one should know better the other for all sorts of reasons doesn't.

It's not a level playing field. One is a by- product of the other. James is a pr!ck of a human being, he's been kicked off Strictly for being unruly, surly and disruptive. So he has form.

Gary has alsorts of problems you cannot deny and they are well documented, there doesn't seem to be an ounce of allowance or slack for what you are stating as Gary's so called meanness and rudeness.

1) He's old
2) He's got two hearing aids
3) He's got numerous physical ailments.
3) He's had head trauma
4) He's probably had a slight personality change.
5) He will have good days and bad, where he's feeling up and then down.
6) He's set in his ways perhaps more so because of his injury

Holding your hand up and saying Shush isn't especially rude coming from an old person with all the above complaints imo. What is so fcukign rude and calculated is the systematic and constant erosion of this mans 'self' by fit and healthy people that should know better. Anyone that doesn't feel excruciating uncomfortable watching what is taking place really needs to take a long hard look at themselves and to re-evaluate their morals and ask them what sort of society do we want to live in.

You saw last night how dejected and pi55ed off with it all Gary was- I just hope he bounces back from it.


I just hope the public do the right thing and recompense ( small mercies) for his 4 weeks of humiliation and ostracisation by this group of self absorbed nobodies.

Excellently put.

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I could understand it if it were at the beginning but with two days left in the series its hard to get emotional about people leaving, I think James was irked because as he said in one of the VTs Ricci was in his "ultimate final" and Gary and Audley are not. I think you are right in some ways but I doubt the British entertainment industry are any less "soulless" or cutthroat than Hollywood. James himself said apart from Anton the other boys on Strictly are bland, not a very nice comment to make about people you have worked with for years. Gary was just saying imo in his rather blunt way that Ricci left because the audience found him boring which they knew because of the earlier task. Maybe he should have patted James on the back and made the right noises, but at that moment in time he didn't want to do that. As for Aspergers, I would imagine Gary has seen a number of therapists over the years if he had Aspergers I am pretty sure it would be diagnosed by now!

To be fair to James, the men on Strictly are not people he's worked with for years. Strictly like to keep changing the dancers to keep the choreography and show fresh, so Anton and Brendon are the only ones who have worked with James for any length of time at all. James wasn't dropped from the show - he was offered a lesser role of choreographer/show dancer this year and chose to decline that, as is his right, and as many of the other dancers do - they do have other career options.

I don't really know where Gary's problems stem from.. I went surfing after I wrote the above and found an interview from 1990 - after the accident - and he seems pretty on-the-ball to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMURD17Jeok

He came over reasonably well on Celebrity Wife Swap a couple of years ago too. Like he says, he's an old rough Texan boy.. Maybe the rest is just acting up for the cameras.

[Vanessa]

Urgh! He's such a bellend!

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

James cannot handle it when his friends go can he...the shallow minded twat thinks Ricci should have stayed cos he is 'good looking'... FFS we want personality which Ricci did not have.
He can't help having a dig at Gary...Gary speaks the truth...Ricci=Boring

The sad thing is as Edelle said Gary is easy pickings. I wonder if she will ever regret saying that when she sees the things which have been said in there.

[Vanessa]

I don't think we've has someone on the show as evil as James. He's like Darth Veder and Gary is Obi One Kenobi!

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by calyman

I'd rather spend 3 years in the 9th circle of hell, than 3 minutes with the brad **** of dancing

Thanks to all those who wrote funny or thought-provoking posts. It's really interesting to get under the skins of complicated personalities like James and Gary - and try to work out what makes them tick. I only started watching this series because James was in it, and initially felt disappointed in his behaviour towards Gary, but over time I feel I developed a bit more insight into him and warmed to him somewhat. I saw that he is a very pivotal character in the house, as is Dee, and that they were the two people who actually have made the most effort to interact with Gary, which has resulted in clashes, as is inevitable when BB is devised by psychologists to cause the maximum pressure and friction. The others just avoid Gary, which is worse than arguing with him, in my opinion. They talk a good talk, but talk is cheap.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Thanks to all those who wrote funny or thought-provoking posts. It's really interesting to get under the skins of complicated personalities like James and Gary - and try to work out what makes them tick. I only started watching this series because James was in it, and initially felt disappointed in his behaviour towards Gary, but over time I feel I developed a bit more insight into him and warmed to him somewhat. I saw that he is a very pivotal character in the house, as is Dee, and that they were the two people who actually have made the most effort to interact with Gary, which has resulted in clashes, as is inevitable when BB is devised by psychologists to cause the maximum pressure and friction. The others just avoid him and avoided getting involved in any of the friction until they were sure of the public's sympathy. They talk a good talk, but talk is cheap.

No interaction there with either of them, James has used his supposed good deed to try and educate Gary and then has gone running around making fun of him. Dee is so twofaced it is unbelievable. Had they treated Gary normal and not as a 70 year old deaf man, thinking he was stupid, they could have all got on. They are so up their own importance that they cannot see the wood for the trees. Still in my book what goes around comes around and the trees will come crashing down.

Audley is the one with sense and this is why James nor Dee like him, he sees the truth as it is but also softly tells Gary what twats they are. The verbal abuse which has come out of Madam Dees and Lord James mouth is beyond forgiving. It is sad that they have drawn Adelle into their clutches as she could have been different.

GARY to win AUDLEY second.

[Vanessa]

James pisses me off so much i can't even look at him anymore. I ant to throw stuff at my tv when he's on!

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Even though the sound of it is something quite atrocious
If you say it loud enough, you'll always sound precocious
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

LMAO - Hilariously funny.:dance :

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Seraphim

To be fair to James, the men on Strictly are not people he's worked with for years. Strictly like to keep changing the dancers to keep the choreography and show fresh, so Anton and Brendon are the only ones who have worked with James for any length of time at all. James wasn't dropped from the show - he was offered a lesser role of choreographer/show dancer this year and chose to decline that, as is his right, and as many of the other dancers do - they do have other career options.

I don't really know where Gary's problems stem from.. I went surfing after I wrote the above and found an interview from 1990 - after the accident - and he seems pretty on-the-ball to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMURD17Jeok

He came over reasonably well on Celebrity Wife Swap a couple of years ago too. Like he says, he's an old rough Texan boy.. Maybe the rest is just acting up for the cameras.

I agree with those remarks this is why the others should have respected his age and his disability and not treated him like some idiot. They were told this and told that and then put him down in their minds as some old dodger. He is far wiser than them but they would rather see him in another light. The very way Dee and James are talking about him now, shows that they think they are far above him. Idiot plonkers. They never will be. They could have learnt such a lot from him but George says he has enjoyed himself with the exception of Gary being there. James and Dee doesnt think he should be in the final etc. etc. and so forth and so it goes on and on and on. Once again idiots.

[Suze]

Maybe I shouldn't say this, but can only say what I see, and it has looked on a few occasions as if James might have a thing for Ricci. I could be wrong, but then why is he so over the top irked at Ricci wallpaper being evicted?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Suze

Maybe I shouldn't say this, but can only say what I see, and it has looked on a few occasions as if James might have a thing for Ricci. I could be wrong, but then why is he so over the top irked at Ricci wallpaper being evicted?

Because they were friends?.. People do get that upset over their friends leaving, look at Siavash in BB10 when Cairon left, he nearly had kittens.

[Seraphim]

I agree with those remarks this is why the others should have respected his age and his disability and not treated him like some idiot. They were told this and told that and then put him down in their minds as some old dodger. He is far wiser than them but they would rather see him in another light.

I agree that they underestimated Gary, but then so do a lot of the people who have supported him on forums. I've even read people saying that he should be removed from the show for his own good!! That's so patronising, if you ask me!

[Suze]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Because they were friends?.. People do get that upset over their friends leaving, look at Siavash in BB10 when Cairon left, he nearly had kittens.

Nah, not when he will be seeing his 'friend' in two days. He was just way over the top imho. Didn't watch BB10 at all, so can't comment on that comparison you have made.

[Patricia4]

How nasty is that I would of preferred you to have gone I cant understand how James can be so evil and that is what he is EVIL.

[Suze]

Originally Posted by Patricia4

How nasty is that I would of preferred you to have gone I cant understand how James can be so evil and that is what he is EVIL.

Gary could have easily have retaliated with I wish you had gone instead James, but he didn't, but then as always Gary is the better man

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Suze

Maybe I shouldn't say this, but can only say what I see, and it has looked on a few occasions as if James might have a thing for Ricci. I could be wrong, but then why is he so over the top irked at Ricci wallpaper being evicted?

Because he wanted his hair cut today - shallow