[arista]

Originally Posted by smudgie

The coverage on the news of the atrocity at Thirsk had me in tears this lunchtime.
I love Thirsk, I love the sheep in the fields around Thirsk, poor James Herriot wil be turning in his grave.
Such cruelty, those responsible should be jailed, never mind them losing their licenses.

Yes at least they were Sacked

[DemolitionRed]

I believe any one of us with an ounce of compassion will feel distressed by the recent news about the abattoir in Thirsk, not because its about Halal slaughter but because they employ bored psychopaths in the killing rooms.

There is enough good documentation which proves, stunning an animal before death deems it unconscious and therefore unaware of the events that follow. If not stunned, then a dead bolt through the head is instant and painless. I've stood with a few horses that had to be shot and although its distressing for us because it appears to be such a violent end, its quick, its clean and the horse was totally unaware of what was coming.

The slitting of a throat is painful, slow and terrifying and for that reason we wouldn't allow a vet to do this to our pet dogs, cats or horses. Whilst I have to accept that both halal and kosher slaughter will go on, I would rather it was done here in Britain under strict guidelines than shipped out on the hoof for slaughter in third world countries.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I believe any one of us with an ounce of compassion will feel distressed by the recent news about the abattoir in Thirsk, not because its about Halal slaughter but because they employ bored psychopaths in the killing rooms.

There is enough good documentation which proves, stunning an animal before death deems it unconscious and therefore unaware of the events that follow. If not stunned, then a dead bolt through the head is instant and painless. I've stood with a few horses that had to be shot and although its distressing for us because it appears to be such a violent end, its quick, its clean and the horse was totally unaware of what was coming.

The slitting of a throat is painful, slow and terrifying and for that reason we wouldn't allow a vet to do this to our pet dogs, cats or horses. Whilst I have to accept that both halal and kosher slaughter will go on, I would rather it was done here in Britain under strict guidelines than shipped out on the hoof for slaughter in third world countries.

What a superbly written post.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

What a superbly written post.

Thanks Kirk, I think you and I think very much alike.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Thanks Kirk, I think you and I think very much alike.

I recognised as much myself Dem. I'm glad we do.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I believe any one of us with an ounce of compassion will feel distressed by the recent news about the abattoir in Thirsk, not because its about Halal slaughter but because they employ bored psychopaths in the killing rooms.

There is enough good documentation which proves, stunning an animal before death deems it unconscious and therefore unaware of the events that follow. If not stunned, then a dead bolt through the head is instant and painless. I've stood with a few horses that had to be shot and although its distressing for us because it appears to be such a violent end, its quick, its clean and the horse was totally unaware of what was coming.

The slitting of a throat is painful, slow and terrifying and for that reason we wouldn't allow a vet to do this to our pet dogs, cats or horses. Whilst I have to accept that both halal and kosher slaughter will go on, I would rather it was done here in Britain under strict guidelines than shipped out on the hoof for slaughter in third world countries.

That may be true, but in practice is this what happens? There is also good evidence that this is not always the case and that the voltage and the time in between the stun and the slaughter are important contributory factors, it would exacerbate suffering if the animal regained consciousness during the process.
As you say there are strict guidelines and what the expose in Thirsk shows is there is a risk in deregulating this industry and that is what is the big issue here not halal slaughter.

[Nedusa]

I think however we may try to sanitise and underplay the death of animals for food the simple fact remains that we eat animals (and enjoy the taste) so we should not get too high and mighty about how the animal is slaughtered.

If we really did not want to see any animal suffering then we should all be vegetarians and stop rearing animals only to kill them later and eat their flesh.

Double standards, hypocrisy..?? maybe but bottom line if we cared enough, actually really cared for these animals then we wouldn't eat them.




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[Kazanne]

Yes just last week there was footage (Sunday Mirror)of a slaughterhouse being cruel in their treatment of animals,utterly barbaric,needless cruelty,people need to stand up to such things,otherwise it will go on,while vile humans inhabit the planet.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yes just last week there was footage (Sunday Mirror)of a shaughterhouse being cruel in their treatment of animals,utterly barbaric,needless cruelty,people need to stand up to such things,otherwise it will go on,while vile humans inhabit the planet.

I think unfortunately it has always gone one and will always go on I think, people in general can be horrendously cruel. Not that that's an excuse - obviously when it is uncovered the people involved should be arrested and prosecuted (and properly, usually animal cruelty charges are very light).

I remember seeing g a video a few years ago that was really quite traumatic. People in a slaughterhouse picking up piglets by the ankles and slamming them repeatedly into a concrete floor. Really horrible stuff. And, I guess, shows that it goes on in "normal" slaughterhouses too, as halal / kosher slaughter obviously doesn't include pigs.