[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Cameron 1

Milliband 0.

What can one say.

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[MTVN]

1-1 for me, definitely don't think Dave was better

[MTVN]

Also Kay Burley was dumb as, Milibands answer on the EU was actually pretty clear but she was unable to grasp it

[bots]

i think Ed got more of a tough time than David, but overall Ed didn't come across as a future PM

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think Ed got more of a tough time than David, but overall Ed didn't come across as a future PM

I did feel sorry for him on a couple of occasions,but as you say he really isn't leader material

[Kizzy]

Oh,,, you're here haha what a joke :/

[billy123]

Next to nothing between them. The only people in here pretending there was any kind of landslide are those that wouldnt give Milliband the time of day before the debate anyway.
Pretty much as you were after the first round.
If anything i think more people appreciated Millibands honesty rather than Camerons slipping and sliding.

[arista]

David Cameron won the ICM /Guardian Poll


http://www.theguardian.com/uk

[James]

I'll just move this topic into Serious Debates.

[Kizzy]

Gah!!! I'm so annoyed he was absolutely trashed there it was so unfair! I'm shocked those questions about his brother and other personal comments were even allowed!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Gah!!! I'm so annoyed he was absolutely trashed there it was so unfair! I'm shocked those questions about his brother and other personal comments were even allowed!

Yes,I thought that a bit cruel and not needed,I think he struggled with Paxman,but I think anyone would struggle with him,he is brutal.

[joeysteele]

I loved Ed Milibands strength of character with so much personal nonsense and not enough on policies in his interview with Paxman.
he certainly wasn't the one who seemed caught in headlights in my opinion, that was David Cameron on the zero hours and food banks questioning.

I would say fairly even but Ed Miliband for not allowing Paxman to walk over him,just edged it for me.

I absolutely loved his retort to Paxman,as did the audience too, when Paxman asked, don't you read what is said about you, Ed Milband answered no, do you read what is said about you.
Paxman answered, no I don't, to which Miliband got the winning blow with, 'well there you are, you have answered your own question'.

A lot of applause for Ed Miliband and not a lot forthcoming for David Cameron.I liked how also Ed Miliband admiited right off that Labour got immigration wrong, whereas David Cameron fiddled with his answers to the same issue.

Ed Miliband showed strength tonight, no doubt,I think he will have won some over too.
I doubt anything will have changed for David Cameron after tonight.

[the truth]

kay burley is a joke

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

kay burley is a joke

I cannot stand her at all.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by the truth

kay burley is a joke

She was ridiculous. At one point when Milliband was about to start answering somebodys question she started repeatedly shouting "Theres a man there shaking his head look that man is shaking his head at you" and completely derailed the flow.
She acted completely different towards Milliband and barely shut her botoxed face with her waspy comments compared to how much she spoke with Cameron but that comes as no suprise when 40% of the company she works for is owned by Murdochs News Corp.

[MTVN]

It was strange with the applause that it only seemed to start half way through and was always tentative as though the audience weren't sure whether it was appropriate or not. I think they should generally be told not to applaud, makes it all far too populist and partisan

[MTVN]

Also I think Andrew Neil would have done a much better job than Paxman with the interviews, would have been forceful but also fair and well informed

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Also I think Andrew Neil would have done a much better job than Paxman with the interviews, would have been forceful but also fair and well informed

Definitely he would have.

[arista]

[the truth]

burley has long been an absolute disgrace. ignorant shallow tabloid and she gets away with more than Bolton because shes a woman.
as for the debate it was shallow drivel. daves biggest regret? not reforming pmq's? bog off Cameron.....and miliblands? the millennium dome? 2 trivial shallow answers from 2 trivial shallow politicians

[DemolitionRed]

Paxman's body language with Milliband was fringing hilarious.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I cant stand paxman as he seems just to want to trip people up rather than try and delve into what they stand for.

Its revealing that people refer to them and Dave and Milliband, even heard this on 2 radio stations this morning.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes paxmans personal questions to milliband were tiresome

[Livia]

I think the questions about Miliband's brother were relevant. It's a concern that pops up regularly and I wanted to hear what he had to say about it.

I thought Cameron came off on top, he was much more polished and able to bat back Paxman's questions. Ed Miliband looks so uncomfortable when he does that pre-planned, well-rehearsed "owning the stage" thing, where he walks around and approaches the audience. He should think less about the staging and more about the content.

Ed struggled throughout and the most curious thing about the whole show for me was when Paxman asked at the end "Are you okay, Ed?" It reminded me of the Doctor Who episode where the Doctor ended the career of the Prime Minister by posing the question "Don't you think she looks tired?"

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think the questions about Miliband's brother were relevant. It's a concern that pops up regularly and I wanted to hear what he had to say about it.

I thought Cameron came off on top, he was much more polished and able to bat back Paxman's questions. Ed Miliband looks so uncomfortable when he does that pre-planned, well-rehearsed "owning the stage" thing, where he walks around and approaches the audience. He should think less about the staging and more about the content.

Ed struggled throughout and the most curious thing about the whole show for me was when Paxman asked at the end "Are you okay, Ed?" It reminded me of the Doctor Who episode where the Doctor ended the career of the Prime Minister by posing the question "Don't you think she looks tired?"

Aah, hate to disagree but I think David Cameron came across as anything but polished in this.
Okay, I don't like him but he had really no answers for Paxman and probably the best thing he said was when he revealed his children were not impressed with PMQs.
He did make valid points,he was right on some issues but he again had no answer that either made sense to me or justified what he had done to the NHS in answer to the NHS worker who asked the question,saying she felt betrayed by his govt:
Or why anyone should belive his word on the NHS again this time after last time.

I would guess Paxman asked David Cameron if he was okay at the end too, however I think being the end of the show the cameras stayed on Miliband and Paxman to see if anything else was said.

I agree the issue of Ed's Brother is relevant, even though it is 5 years ago now, also had David won, and not been doing much better than Ed at present, the same questions would have been likely fired at him too as to the same issue.

I discussed this with my Mum and Dad who were with me watching last night, my Mum said she wouldn't like to see 2 of her sons in comeptition with each other but would not try to forbid it.
My Dad, says if they both thought they were the best for the job,they were right to go for it.

He reminds me that in football Jackie Charlton played for Leeds and his Brother Bobby played for manchester United, 2 teams that hated each other and a lot of bad feeling between them 'but' he stresses, they were their careers.

I admired Ed for saying Iraq was wrong, that he would not risk getting involved in conflicts such as that where there was no plan as to the outcome or what to do afterwards really.
He and Labour did lead the way not only in stopping any involvement in Syria but also not leaving the door open to do so later for the govt; either.

I still say it was very close and probably nearer a dead heat between them but I liked the way Ed Miliband stood up and took on Paxman,showing he would not be easy to walk over.
Sometimes he answered a question and then should have left it.
However instead he went on and on a bit and opened up more tricky questioning.
Having said that, it is something I am guilty of too, going on and on,so cannot moan at him doing that really.

The general majority view does seem to be this morning listening to people on the news and TV, after seeing how Ed Miliband took on Paxman and didn't let him walk over him at all,even getting applause for his comebacks to Paxman too.
It is perceived clearer why David Cameron would not take on Ed Miliband in a head to head direct debate.
Somehow I think that may now stick more negatively against Cameron too.

Even on 'question time' last night, comments were made that Ed Miliband was liked more than some thought they would like him in the interviews and q and a sessions.