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Crimson Dynamo · 02-04-2015, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Meh. His superiors in the NYPD thought what he did was serious enough warrant action. If you're on the side of the law you should respect their decision, and not be trying to act like you know better.

I do, pull him off assignment for a wee while and then when it all dies down reinstate him.

Kizzy · 02-04-2015, 02:09 PM

Not charge him with harassment and intimidation then?

user104658 · 02-04-2015, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I do, pull him off assignment for a wee while and then when it all dies down reinstate him.

There's nothing at all there to suggest that he won't get back on active duty once he's proven that he's calmed the **** down... If anything, the action taken, to me, suggests that this officer probably already had blots on his record for his obvious temper. Just a guess, obviously.

Still, they haven't even left him without an income, they've put him on pen pushing duty which IMO is a perfectly fair thing to do. An angry cop should not be on the streets with a firearm. Full stop. He needs to prove that he has that under control and can remain professional before they put a gun back in his hand.

GiRTh · 02-04-2015, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what do you mean?

I thought it was obvious what I meant and other forum members seem to have got it maybe you can contact one of them and find out.

GiRTh · 02-04-2015, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

I still say it's a little excessive.

What about the cops behavior in the vid would you say that was excessive,.? To hell with him and his career. He got caught slating a citizen for no good reason. I think the punishment for that should be as harsh as he was to the citizen. Remember he threatened to have the guy arrested. To sack him is fair enough IMO

Tom4784 · 02-04-2015, 02:24 PM

He was lucky to keep his job so I wouldn't say it's excessive. If he acted the way he did in any other job that involved working with the public then he wouldn't have a job.

Crimson Dynamo · 02-04-2015, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

He was lucky to keep his job so I wouldn't say it's excessive. If he acted the way he did in any other job that involved working with the public then he wouldn't have a job.

No other job is like the Police

Ramsay · 02-04-2015, 02:33 PM

The taxi guy says OK and the cop freaks out..

**** him, he's a dick. did he get sacked? hopefully. what a grade A cock.
No sympathy whatsoever for cops who go on mad power trips like that.

Kizzy · 02-04-2015, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No other job is like the Police

They are not infallible, nor should they when not on duty act like the militia.

GiRTh · 02-04-2015, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No other job is like the Police

Youtube video

Too right.

Cherie · 02-04-2015, 02:57 PM

If a civilian did what he did, he would have been arrested for road rage, the taxi beeped due to him not indicating, I would have done the same honking cars is one of the sounds of associated with New York, the cop needs to get over himself

Crimson Dynamo · 02-04-2015, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GiRTh

Youtube video

Too right.

yeah and you will be the first greeting on the phone for them if something bad happens to you

Tom4784 · 02-04-2015, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No other job is like the Police

A weak reply and one that suggests a lower standard of behavior is acceptable in police work.

Police Officers are meant to resolve issues, not create or inflame them. If they can't remain calm whilst on the job then they shouldn't do the job in the first place.

GiRTh · 02-04-2015, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yeah and you will be the first greeting on the phone for them if something bad happens to you

We've had this discussion. Seeing as you cant remember I'll refresh. Dealt with the police before and they were useless so I can assure you I'll be dialing them knowing they wont do f8ck all if anything happened to me.

Kizzy · 02-04-2015, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yeah and you will be the first greeting on the phone for them if something bad happens to you

That is irrelevant, are you suggesting that if you disagree with the way an officer conducts himself you should no longer feel that you have the right to use the police service... Oh, sorry we have a conservative govt at the moment don't we? I mean police 'force'.

Niamh. · 02-04-2015, 03:48 PM

Stay on topic please and stop getting personal

GiRTh · 02-04-2015, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Stay on topic please and stop getting personal

Crimson Dynamo · 02-04-2015, 03:53 PM

Police hate is not just a public relations problem — it’s a survival problem

Why is blue so easy to hate?

Power Envy
Critics will immediately challenge the thought that an armed government agent can claim that they are labeled or treated unfairly. It is true that we hold positions of power, but a look at our subculture can show a lot of areas where we as individual police officers have a very confined position legally, culturally, and organizationally.

Any power that we do possess is that which we mediate and administer on behalf of others.

But many people are jealous of the power and inequity symbolized by the badge and gun.

Media Coverage
This is not a media-bashing statement. They can only report from the sources they find.

When events happen, even those that seem normal and neutral in our world, we are often not allowed to narrate or explain the event.

There’s no ‘Jesse Jackson’ stepping in to speak on behalf the police. We all know that raw video and angry relatives and activists without a police perspective is bad news for the cops.

Dedicated Hate Groups
The Internet trumpets hate for the police with a constant discordant presence. An Internet search for the word police plus corrupt, abuse, brutality, etc. will bring up not just random rants, but organized hate movements and lots of attorney advertisements.

These three thoughts are just the beginning of the cop hate issue. Without being antagonistic or divisive, our safety on the street and our survival in the courtroom is severely compromised by this prejudice. What can we do?

Encourage Advocacy
There are civic and faith groups that are supportive of law enforcement. Optimist International has had a respect for law effort since 1965.

One church in my area has a photo display of every law officer in the area (with their permission) for their members to remember in prayer. We should seek out opportunities to speak on the subject of anti-police sentiment in order to confront some common misunderstandings.

These presentations should be fact- and ethics-based, rather than the “I deserve respect because I’m out there with my life on the line every day.”

Other people have tough jobs, they don’t want to hear how rough it is in yours.

Make sure your prosecutor is tough on anti-police crime, too.

Preload Information to the Public
Citizens are fascinated with police work. If you give them information they can use, they’ll pay attention and absorb it.

Efforts like the Hollywood V. Reality video can be very helpful.

Getting the idea out that the offender chooses how police act is a theme that bears repeated emphasis. As the Department of Justice says so flippantly “citizens bear some of the responsibility for the nature of relations with the police.”

The idea that police shoot people unnecessarily is unfounded.

http://www.policeone.com/Officer-Saf...-easy-to-hate/

Some good points here and could explain why we keep getting these police hate videos on youtube like this one and the last one?

Vicky. · 02-04-2015, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Some good points here and could explain why we keep getting these police hate videos on youtube like this one and the last one?

Or maybe *some* police just take the piss and go on a complete power trip, like the wanker in this video? And some people will never accept that police do occasionally do wrong so they feel the need to film it when it happens... Just a thought.

GiRTh · 02-04-2015, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Maybe, maybe not... I can more or less guarantee that my job would be at serious risk if I spoke to someone like that and surely a police officer SHOULD be held to a higher standard than someone in a civilian job. I completely understand where the police force are coming from in their statement, to be honest. What he did makes it harder for good cops to do their job properly. His actions furthered the public impression that police officers are all on power trips and that they should be feared. This makes people not trust them, and makes it so much harder for the good, calm, respectful officers doing their jobs properly to gain anyone's trust too, and that surely makes all of their jobs harder every single day.

The thing that really says it all: the two in the back are backing the driver up when the guy goes away from the car,

Driver says "That's what I'm saying, to put his blinker on..."

Both guys in the back: "No, no, no, do not say anything, don't say anything, just Yes Sir, I'm Sorry Sir, and that's it."

They react straight away and make it very clear that the driver should absolutely not state his case, he should just apologize profusely and hope to god that the guy lets him go without the situation escalating further. They both have American accents, sound very much like New York citizens, and they absolutely do not trust that an NYPD police officer won't go bat**** and do something extreme if he doesn't throw himself to the ground and lick his boots.

Sums up the public perception of the police very well. Are all officers like that? No. So why do the public fear them? Because of arseholes like this guy throwing their weight around.

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Maybe he had just seen an old lady getting knocked down by a car that pulled in to park without indicating and that's why he was so mad at the... Oh no, wait, it was him that did that.

Regardless, he is an officer of the law and he doesn't get to take out the horrific actions of random people on other people who had absolutely nothing to do with it. Not without facing some sort of disciplinary action. Should he lose his career? No, but I personally think a suspension and probably some sort of anger management / re-education on being respectful to members of the public would be entirely appropriate. .

Crimson Dynamo · 02-04-2015, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Or maybe *some* police just take the piss and go on a complete power trip, like the wanker in this video? And some people will never accept that police do occasionally do wrong so they feel the need to film it when it happens... Just a thought.

do you know how many police are in america?