[Kizzy]

Of course it isn't a phobia it's fear and/or anger.

Phobias are also irrational, sufferers want to be cured of them, they don't relish in them and advocate having a phobia to others do they?

They don't call racists colourphobic do they, because that would be silly.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Of course it isn't a phobia it's fear and/or anger.

Phobias are also irrational, sufferers want to be cured of them, they don't relish in them and advocate having a phobia to others do they?

They don't call racists colourphobic do they, because that would be silly.

No but there is a related phobia (xenophobia) and it's different to racism. Racism tends to be based in believing that ones own race is somehow superior. There ARE people who are genuinely (and irrationally) scared of foreigners or anyone "different" to themselves.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No but there is a related phobia (xenophobia) and it's different to racism. Racism tends to be based in believing that ones own race is somehow superior. There ARE people who are genuinely (and irrationally) scared of foreigners or anyone "different" to themselves.

I just don't see that as a phobia per se... people with a phobia know it's irrational and they don't want it, xenophobes do, and they wish others felt as they do.

[Tom4784]

Like Reverse Racism, it's just a silly term made up by people who want to be oppressed.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Like Reverse Racism, it's just a silly term made up by people who want to be oppressed.

I find it quite offensive tbh. Are straight people killed for being straight?? Do straight people have to lie about your sexuality for a while and worry about how your family might react? no. Do straight people have to limit their holidays so that they don't have to worry about being arrested or attacked?? no.

[Samuel.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I find it quite offensive tbh. Are straight people killed for being straight?? Do straight people have to lie about your sexuality for a while and worry about how your family might react? no. Do straight people have to limit their holidays so that they don't have to worry about being arrested or attacked?? no.

Nobody is claiming any of this, and none of these have to happen for heterophobia to exist.

If heterophobia was a wide spread thing then perhaps but obviously it's not. That doesn't mean it doesn't or can't exist.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

Nobody is claiming any of this, and none of these have to happen for heterophobia to exist.

Yes but these are all things that happen to gay people which contribute to the concept of 'homophobia' within society and the world. To suggest heterophobia, is to suggest these things also exist.

Homophobia isn't just "omg they called me straight hoe i hate that girl", it's a huge range of oppression and disadvantage that is widespread just as racism was, and in ways continues to be.

[Samuel.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Yes but these are all things that happen to gay people which contribute to the concept of 'homophobia' within society and the world. To suggest heterophobia, is to suggest these things also exist.

Homophobia isn't just "omg they called me straight hoe i hate that girl", it's a huge range of oppression and disadvantage that is widespread just as racism was, and in ways continues to be.

It absolutely has zero to do with what homosexuals have faced from homophobes. Nobody is saying it is on that level, it's quite clearly not. That doesn't discount it from simply existing though.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

Nobody is claiming any of this, and none of these have to happen for heterophobia to exist.

If heterophobia was a wide spread thing then perhaps but obviously it's not. That doesn't mean it doesn't or can't exist.

Exactly Samuel.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I find it quite offensive tbh. Are straight people killed for being straight?? Do straight people have to lie about your sexuality for a while and worry about how your family might react? no. Do straight people have to limit their holidays so that they don't have to worry about being arrested or attacked?? no.

I posted this earlier. Do you disagree? Or did you miss it?


Of course it exists. The argument that it does not, is really just semantics. If one solitary human contracted a new previously unknown disease, that disease would have a scientific name within minutes which would forever classify any future victims who show the same symptoms and ill-effects.

Numbers are unimportant, if just one person hates straight people, then 'Heterophobia' - if that is its name - exists. How can it not?

It does not have to be endemic or pandemic, it just has to 'be'.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I posted this earlier. Do you disagree? Or did you miss it?


Of course it exists. The argument that it does not, is really just semantics. If one solitary human contracted a new previously unknown disease, that disease would have a scientific name within minutes which would forever classify any future victims who show the same symptoms and ill-effects.

Numbers are unimportant, if just one person hates straight people, then 'Heterophobia' - if that is its name - exists. How can it not?

It does not have to be endemic or pandemic, it just has to 'be'.

False equivalency. I don't see how you can try to use your logic of disease-naming the same way for sexuality and oppression, it's just a blanket logic that really is not the same thing at all.

[Samuel.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I find it quite offensive tbh. Are straight people killed for being straight?? Do straight people have to lie about your sexuality for a while and worry about how your family might react? no. Do straight people have to limit their holidays so that they don't have to worry about being arrested or attacked?? no.

You just had to go tempt fate

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

You just had to go tempt fate

Why what's happened? Is this cause of the death threats?

[Samuel.]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Why what's happened? Is this cause of the death threats?

Yes, I'm joking

[Liam-]

I thought I had commented on this thread already but whatever, yes it can exist

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I thought I had commented on this thread already but whatever, yes it can exist

On what do you base this though? Where are straight people oppressed?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

On what do you base this though? Where are straight people oppressed?

It's not just about oppression, anyone can be prejudice against anybody, if you take the history of certain demographics away from the equation, which I understand is hard to do, then you'll see that not just the gays can be discriminated against.

Like I said in another thread recently, it's definitely not common and it's definitely not shown in mainstream media, but I do believe that there are certain situations where a person who isn't gay can be discriminated against because of their sexuality, imo to believe otherwise is a bit ignorant, especially coming from a 'community' which apparently stands for everyone to be equal.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It's not just about oppression, anyone can be prejudice against anybody, if you take the history of certain demographics away from the equation, which I understand is hard to do, then you'll see that not just the gays can be discriminated against.

Like I said in another thread recently, it's definitely not common and it's definitely not shown in mainstream media, but I do believe that there are certain situations where a person who isn't gay can be discriminated against because of their sexuality, imo to believe otherwise is a bit ignorant, especially coming from a 'community' which apparently stands for everyone to be equal.

Brilliantly well said.

There's a pyramid of who can have a valid opinion about what can and can't be said and it's so wrong. It's the complete opposite of equality

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Right..

I don't know how many times I have to repeat a phrase.. but FALSE EQUIVALENCY. Everyone claiming heterophobia and equating it with homophobia should do some serious research on the concept of that and then come back to the thread and see if you still think what you do.

I haven't seen anyone say that it's on the same level as homophobia, I have seen loads of people say the opposite though, there's not any need to be quite so patronising either, my belief that anyone can be prejudice against anyone and that anyone can be discriminated against will not be changed by 10 minutes on google, history does not give right to people to rule over everyone else unless you're the Queen (pardon the irony).

Originally Posted by Chaos

Brilliantly well said.

There's a pyramid of who can have a valid opinion about what can and can't be said and it's so wrong. It's the complete opposite of equality

The world we live in today, there will never be equality, there will always be sections of the population striving for better treatment than everyone else, sadly it seems to be the gays turn right now.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Liam-;8171747[B

]It's not just about oppression, anyone can be prejudice against anybody[/B], if you take the history of certain demographics away from the equation, which I understand is hard to do, then you'll see that not just the gays can be discriminated against.

Like I said in another thread recently, it's definitely not common and it's definitely not shown in mainstream media, but I do believe that there are certain situations where a person who isn't gay can be discriminated against because of their sexuality, imo to believe otherwise is a bit ignorant, especially coming from a 'community' which apparently stands for everyone to be equal.

In response to what is bolded:

True. But homophobia is a concept based on discrimination and not prejudice, the same with racism and sexism. They are all derived from prejudice but the actual thing itself is discrimination that is the biggest issue and that is the major determinator on whether or not something exists. It comes down to whether or not straight people are discriminated against - to which the answer is clearly they are not.

I apologise if this is poorly written but hopefully this is somewhat readable

[Raph]

I agree with JoshBB's points.

But i'll comment more later. Very interesting questions you've raised here, Caitlin.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Raph

I agree with JoshBB's points.

But i'll comment more later. Very interesting questions you've raised here, Caitlin.

Haha, thank you. I think a few people would have changed their minds after some of the comments that were posted here before everything got deleted.

I in absolutely no way, think the heterophobia is ANYWHERE near the scale or as common as homophobia. But I absolutely and 100% believe that there are people out there who hate on straight people for whatever reason. And I don't think that's right. If you hated on a person who was black, or gay or female, you'd be labelled with something 'phobic' or 'ist' or whatever. Just because that person you're hating on, hasn't faced something awful in their past, doesn't make it any less awful.

[JoshBB]

Right..

I don't know how many times I have to repeat a phrase.. but FALSE EQUIVALENCY. Everyone claiming heterophobia and equating it with homophobia should do some serious research on the concept of that and then come back to the thread and see if you still think what you do.

[Crimson Dynamo]

to be honest i prefer homophobia

its more established and being nostalgic I prefer to stick to what I know

without homophobia it would be like the 70s never happened

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

to be honest i prefer homophobia

its more established and being nostalgic I prefer to stick to what I know

without homophobia it would be like the 70s never happened

As a gay guy, I don't know if I should be offended or laugh.. I'll just laugh.