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Toy Soldier · 30-10-2015, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Gleeful? In what way? Just because I am not wringing my hands in despair at her self inflicted plight

I'm not wringing my hands in despair either, but nor am I taking joy in it whilst vigorously rubbing my groin against the leg of my table.

People aren't saying "Meh, don't care."

They're saying "GOOD! He deserves it! He isn't a real woman anyway! Who cares what happens to HIM in there, should have thought about that before!"

And they're enjoying it, because people like being vicious when they think they can get away with it. And they think they can get away with it by hiding their gleeful viciousness under the banner of "Hmph just not being PC everyone is too PC". Which annoys me. Because that's not what it actually is.

Marsh. · 30-10-2015, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not wringing my hands in despair either, but nor am I taking joy in it whilst vigorously rubbing my groin against the leg of my table.

People aren't saying "Meh, don't care."

They're saying "GOOD! She deserves it! She isn't a real woman anyway! Who cares what happens to her in there she should have thought about that before!"

And they're enjoying it, because people like being vicious when they think they can get away with it. And they think they can get away with it by hiding their gleeful viciousness under the banner of "Hmph just not being PC everyone is too PC". Which annoys me. Because that's not what it actually is.

The only person I see getting THAT passionate about anything is you in reaction to other's opinions.

Toy Soldier · 30-10-2015, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

The only person I see getting THAT passionate about anything is you in reaction to other's opinions.

Then you haven't actually read the thread

Jack_ · 30-10-2015, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Know what strikes me about this thread? A not-too-small number of people seem positively gleeful about the idea of her being sent to an all-male prison. What's that all about?

Yeah, it's rather disturbing. As is the not-so-accidental gender neutral pronouns some keep insisting on using, or the obsession with genitalia as means of identifying a person. Unsurprising, but still disturbing.

Tom4784 · 30-10-2015, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

who has threatened her with sexual violence, thats just in your head?

It's obviously a risk and you're naive if you think otherwise.

Marsh. · 30-10-2015, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's obviously a risk and you're naive if you think otherwise.

That risk plus many others come with any prison.

There are options there for her to take for protection.

Jay28jay2 · 30-10-2015, 04:54 PM

What Genatalia she was born with shouldnt determine her gender. She was a girl trapped in a boys body

Denver · 30-10-2015, 04:56 PM

At the end of the day she is a criminal whynshould she get special treatmen? She is still down as a man its the same as if she would be flying out the country her passport would be rejected she made the decision to not update her documents she has to deal with it.

She is no more at risk then the young vulnerable lads that go in if someone has rape on there mind there going to rape anyone no matter what they look like and that is unfortunately the type of world we live in.

Cherie · 30-10-2015, 05:09 PM

She has been moved now at any rate so crisis over, she tried to get her sentence overturned but she was moved instead.

Liam- · 30-10-2015, 05:12 PM

Lmao the whole 'think of my safety' plea doesn't really wash with me after she admitted to attacking someone I'm afraid.

Tom4784 · 30-10-2015, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

That risk plus many others come with any prison.

There are options there for her to take for protection.

Yes, any prisoner in a male prison is just as likely to be a victim of sexual violence as she is......

The main option to fulfil the duty of care when it comes to trans prisoners is not to put them in the prison assigned to the gender they were born with where they'll either face an increased risk of violence or be made to live in solitary confinement for simply being different. It doesn't make any kind of sense to put her in a male prison, It's morally wrong and it's a dumb decision in terms of economics and resources because she's going to require more protection than the average prisoner in that prisoner and she's still gonna have grounds to sue afterwards.

Whoever decided to send her to that prison should be sacked.

Tom4784 · 30-10-2015, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Liam-

Lmao the whole 'think of my safety' plea doesn't really wash with me after she admitted to attacking someone I'm afraid.

And that justifies her being either confined to Solitary for 12 weeks or be at risk of sexual violence?

What a strange sense of morality you have.

Tom4784 · 30-10-2015, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not wringing my hands in despair either, but nor am I taking joy in it whilst vigorously rubbing my groin against the leg of my table.

People aren't saying "Meh, don't care."

They're saying "GOOD! He deserves it! He isn't a real woman anyway! Who cares what happens to HIM in there, should have thought about that before!"

And they're enjoying it, because people like being vicious when they think they can get away with it. And they think they can get away with it by hiding their gleeful viciousness under the banner of "Hmph just not being PC everyone is too PC". Which annoys me. Because that's not what it actually is.

I know exactly what you mean and it drives me mad.

Liam- · 30-10-2015, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

And that justifies her being either confined to Solitary for 12 weeks or be at risk of sexual violence?

What a strange sense of morality you have.

I didn't say it justified anything

My morality has nothing to do with it, hers however does.

Northern Monkey · 30-10-2015, 05:51 PM

This is why there needs to be dedicated wings for transgenders.There currently is no correct place to put them.Legally and biologically this person is still a man but obviously a mans prison is not the place to put them and neither is a womans prison.

Marsh. · 30-10-2015, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yes, any prisoner in a male prison is just as likely to be a victim of sexual violence as she is......

Correct. They're all men with penises.

Tom4784 · 30-10-2015, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Liam-

I didn't say it justified anything

My morality has nothing to do with it, hers however does.

Well it does since you're saying she doesn't deserve to be safe during her prison term and by saying that you're essentially saying that any misfortune that befalls on her due to the fact she's trans is justified.

Her morality or crimes have nothing to do with it, the system has a duty of care to it's inmates and they have failed this woman completely.

Tom4784 · 30-10-2015, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Correct. They're all men with penises.

Yes and they all look like this, I'm sure.

Denver · 30-10-2015, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well it does since you're saying she doesn't deserve to be safe during her prison term and by saying that you're essentially saying that any misfortune that befalls on her due to the fact she's trans is justified.

Her morality or crimes have nothing to do with it, the system has a duty of care to it's inmates and they have failed this woman completely.

But why should should she be given special privileges?

Marsh. · 30-10-2015, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

Yeah, it's rather disturbing. As is the not-so-accidental gender neutral pronouns some keep insisting on using, or the obsession with genitalia as means of identifying a person. Unsurprising, but still disturbing.

But isn't the purpose of having the split prisons based on the inmates' different genitalia?

Marsh. · 30-10-2015, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yes and they all look like this, I'm sure.

Who said they did?

All men look different. Moobs, no moobs, fat, thin, tats, no tats, track marks, hair, no hair etc etc.

Just because this inmate has had breast implants doesn't entitle her to different treatment.

Liam- · 30-10-2015, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well it does since you're saying she doesn't deserve to be safe during her prison term and by saying that you're essentially saying that any misfortune that befalls on her due to the fact she's trans is justified.

Her morality or crimes have nothing to do with it, the system has a duty of care to it's inmates and they have failed this woman completely.

When did I say any of that?

I said I didn't buy the whole 'woe is me' act, which I don't because she clearly didn't care for safety when she was out attacking people.

Nowhere did I mention anything to do with the prison situation, as it so happens, I don't think she should be in a male prison, so if you're done lecturing me over something I didn't say, I'd highly appreciate it.

Tom4784 · 30-10-2015, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam.

But why should should she be given special privileges?

Oh? I wasn't aware not being made to be at a higher risk of being raped in prison was a special privilege. News to me.

Marsh. · 30-10-2015, 06:06 PM

No doubt there'll be another article in a couple of months when the female inmates are up in arms about seeing a penis in the showers.

Denver · 30-10-2015, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Oh? I wasn't aware not being made to be at a higher risk of being raped in prison was a special privilege. News to me.

She committed the crime she deals with the punishment she doesn't get to choose what prison she goes too.

If her document say she is legally a man I'm sorry but the law has to treat her as a man until she provides more proof then just her looks that's how the law works.

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