[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Was Corbyn not attacked for associating with terrorist groups, is that not negotiating?

Yes but its not liked

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Was Corbyn not attacked for associating with terrorist groups, is that not negotiating?

Yeah - you're right. Lord Boothby 'associated' with Ronny Kray because he was trying to negotiate him out of a life of crime. And there was me thinking it was because he admired him and had an affinity with him because he was secretly homosexual too and could provide him with rent boys.

Whatever was I thinking?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Yeah - you're right. Lord Boothby 'associated' with Ronny Kray because he was trying to negotiate him out of a life of crime. And there was me thinking it was because he admired him and had an affinity with him because he was secretly homosexual too and could provide him with rent boys.

Whatever was I thinking?

I don't know what you're thinking, it has nothing to do with my point clearly.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't know what you're thinking, it has nothing to do with my point clearly.

It has EVERYTHING to do with your point actually.

Boothby - a woeful excuse for a politician - used his political position to associate with the type of people he REALLY admired, people who were like the REAL him.

Corbyn - a woeful excuse for a politician - used his political position to associate with the type of people he REALLY admired, people who were like the REAL him. Anti-Democratic, Anti-Semitic, Anti-Western Terrorists.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

It has EVERYTHING to do with your point actually.

Boothby - a woeful excuse for a politician - used his political position to associate with the type of people he REALLY admired, people who were like the REAL him.

Corbyn - a woeful excuse for a politician - used his political position to associate with the type of people he REALLY admired, people who were like the REAL him. Anti-Democratic, Anti-Semitic, Anti-Western Terrorists.

I'm sorry I really would rather you stick to the topic, involving analogy has never really worked for me.

[Northern Monkey]

This is also the reason why nothing can be done between Israel and Palestine whilst Hezbollah have any influence in Palestine.You can't negotiate with terrorists.

[Denver]

My views on this won't be shared but I think the death penalty should be brought back for anyone found guilty of being a terrorist.

[Northern Monkey]

"Apart from talking how do you resolve issues.... blow each others brains out?"

What else could possibly be done against ISIS?

Even if we did/could talk to them,What exactly do you think we would have to agree to in order to please them?
A European Islamic caliphate dictated by ISIS commanders?
ISIS flags over the houses of parliament?
All women must be veiled in public and subservient to their male leaders?
All homosexuals stoned to death at Wembley stadium?
Shariah law accross the west?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

"Apart from talking how do you resolve issues.... blow each others brains out?"

What else could possibly be done against ISIS?

Even if we did/could talk to them,What exactly do you think we would have to agree to in order to please them?
A European Islamic caliphate dictated by ISIS commanders?
ISIS flags over the houses of parliament?
All women must be veiled in public and subservient to their male leaders?
All homosexuals stoned to death at Wembley stadium?
Shariah law accross the west?

Are you asking me a question or just involving me in your hypothetical?
There are two separate issues here, on one hand diplomats like Corbyn are criticised for attempting to forge some dialogue with certain groups, and on the other the rise of ISIS.
The two are totally independent of one another.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Are you asking me a question or just involving me in your hypothetical?
There are two separate issues here, on one hand diplomats like Corbyn are criticised for attempting to forge some dialogue with certain groups, and on the other the rise of ISIS.
The two are totally independent of one another.

They are'nt seperate issues?Corbyn would more than likely love to sit down with ISIS and have a good old chin wagg.Unfortunately by doing so he would
A) Get nowhere
And
B) Show the world that terrorism gets you a platform to air your warped views

The only course of action against these terrorists is to destroy them or to weaken them into submission.However long it takes.It is a war that they started and they must face the consequences.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

They are'nt seperate issues?Corbyn would more than likely love to sit down with ISIS and have a good old chin wagg.Unfortunately by doing so he would
A) Get nowhere
And
B) Show the world that terrorism gets you a platform to air your warped views

The only course of action against these terrorists is to destroy them or to weaken them into submission.However long it takes.It is a war that they started and they must face the consequences.

They are separate as Corbyn hasn't attempted to talk with ISIS either....

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They are separate as Corbyn hasn't attempted to talk with ISIS either....

I never said he did.
He would if he got the chance though........

And he would fail and he would be legitimising their actions.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They are separate as Corbyn hasn't attempted to talk with ISIS either....

.... and would not either Kizzy.
Sadly we have to just accept these unfounded in the main slurs are going to keep coming at him.

That is not to say he would not support as other leaders should, any efforts to assist other Nations to try to find some one that could intermediate between them hoping to find some way of breaking down those awful organisation.

It does seem at present the only hope the world has is that this vile organisation turns on itself and breaks itself down.

[bots]

The event in Paris would have been planned will in advance of any strike on Jihadi John. It was Friday the 13th.

I personally don't like the triumphalist stance of the USA. They could just have let the Jihadi John killing pass, and then say later down the line when they were sure of their facts one way or another that they had taken him out. They look like complete fools now in my opinion.

[Kizzy]

I did say could...
I agree that the grandstanding could be seen as a challenge.

[DemolitionRed]

Lets remember that Jihadi John was merely a symbol of IS. He had no specialist skills, he had no ranking significance within IS but was just used as a side show by both IS and the west.

Whilst the death of Jihadi John may be seen as a prise for the west, I doubt his death has made a mark on IS or the people of Syria. This strategic infiltration by the Americans is impressive but I doubt this entire plot was to kill Jahadi John; it was about taking out an entire IS holding.

[Northern Monkey]

BBC News saying so far one French National suspected and a Syrian passport found near one of the terrorists.

Possibly the Syrians coming in with the refugees and meeting up with one or more French nationals who would know in more detail where the targets were?


EDIT:Sorry wrong thread.I'll copy to the correct one.

[lostalex]

What does Corbyn think a trial would have accomplished? (same thing for Osama Bin Laden because i believe he said the same thing when OBL was killed by the US). Is there any doubt that he cut off an innocent person's head? so what is the purpose of a trial? to waste millions of tax dollars(pounds in this case) on prosecuting and housing that evil piece of **** for the rest of his life?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by lostalex

What does Corbyn think a trial would have accomplished? is there any doubt that he cut off an innocent person's head? so what is the purpose of a trial? to waste millions of tax dollars(pounds in this case) on prosecuting and housing that evil piece of **** for the rest of his life?

There is the possible, even maybe very outside chance, that over time he could reveal the network of IS and also what their plans were and where too.

Maybe not the case since he was a brainwashed and programmed individual but one thing is sure, you learn very little and in fact probably nothing from dead men.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

There is the possible, even maybe very outside chance, that over time he could reveal the network of IS and also what their plans were and where too.

Maybe not the case since he was a brainwashed and programmed individual but one thing is sure, you learn very little and in fact probably nothing from dead men.

OIC, so Corbyn was hoping we could torture him til he gave up his comrades? I seriously doubt that was Corbyns thought process.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by lostalex

OIC, so Corbyn was hoping we could torture him til he gave up his comrades? I seriously doubt that was Corbyns thought process.

Where on earth did I say that and Corbyn certainly did not either,torture is not allowed in this Country but time can do a lot to someone, if you just keep at them.

Quite frankly however while not a violent man myself, the people he helped behead had months of torture.
Then a freak like him standing over them talking while they knew he was going to literally hack their heads off.
Subjected not only themselves to humiliation in the videos but causing massive pain and distress to their loved ones watching too.
They had to suffer slowly and for a large uncertain time.
Giving him what he wanted with a likely quick death seems all lop sided as to what he should have been made to suffer.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

What does Corbyn think a trial would have accomplished? (same thing for Osama Bin Laden because i believe he said the same thing when OBL was killed by the US). Is there any doubt that he cut off an innocent person's head? so what is the purpose of a trial? to waste millions of tax dollars(pounds in this case) on prosecuting and housing that evil piece of **** for the rest of his life?

Alex loads in his own Party
have said he is wrong.

It would cause even more Deaths in the UK.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Alex loads in his own Party
have said he is wrong.

It would cause even more Deaths in the UK.

I know of people in the Conservative party who think we should get these people alive, it is not just Labour arista.
I won't even add what some of them think should be done with them once caught too.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I know of people in the Conservative party who think we should get these people alive, it is not just Labour arista.
I won't even add what some of them think should be done with them once caught too.

You take him to court
Other Terrorists Blow up shopping Malls
same day
would never work Joey

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

You take him to court
Other Terrorists Blow up shopping Malls
same day
would never work Joey

Maybe not but nothing is working now and things are just being allowed to get worse.