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Kizzy · 10-01-2016, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

If Christ did NOT mention 'homosexuality' in the New Testament - which he DID NOT, then God has NO views either on 'Gay' relationships or 'Gay' Marriage , and God is not judgemental on either.

So that means that - as already stated - it is MAN in the form of the 'Church' who are split on THEIR views and not on the word of GOD.

"His condemnation" was NOT "directly linked to his faith" - it was the result of being brainwashed by the toxic preachings of a prejudiced homophobic Church minister.

Faith in a Christian God ie; Christ, does not render one homophobic because homosexuality was NEVER mentioned by that God.

He linked it directly, he stated ' I am a Christian' which is the goto response for many.
Here is some information as to why there is a split, which explains it better than I could.
http://www.christiantoday.com/articl...lity/76082.htm

kirklancaster · 10-01-2016, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

He linked it directly, he stated ' I am a Christian' which is the goto response for many.
Here is some information as to why there is a split, which explains it better than I could.
http://www.christiantoday.com/articl...lity/76082.htm

My position is clear;

A Christian is someone who believes that Jesus was The Christ.

If Jesus never even mentioned homosexuality, then how can anyone who purports to believe in Christ's words as those of God, EVER preach that their Christian God condemned 'Gays', 'Gay Sex' 'Gay Marriage' or anything else 'Gay' when it SIMPLY is not true?

What follows from the above, is that if Winston is GENUINELY using his 'Christianity' as a reason for his inane homophobic remarks, then he is MISGUIDED, and whoever preached their homophobic views to him in the Church which Winston attended, is also misguided or is deliberately misrepresenting the word of the Christian God.

The above being so, when Winston says; "I am a Christian" as some form of mitigation or even justification for his ludicrous views, it is MEANINGLESS.

Kizzy · 10-01-2016, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

My position is clear;

A Christian is someone who believes that Jesus was The Christ.

If Jesus never even mentioned homosexuality, then how can anyone who purports to believe in Christ's words as those of God, EVER preach that their Christian God condemned 'Gays', 'Gay Sex' 'Gay Marriage' or anything else 'Gay' when it SIMPLY is not true?

What follows from the above, is that if Winston is GENUINELY using his 'Christianity' as a reason for his inane homophobic remarks, then he is MISGUIDED, and whoever preached their homophobic views to him in the Church which Winston attended, is also misguided or is deliberately misrepresenting the word of the Christian God.

The above being so, when Winston says; "I am a Christian" as some form of mitigation or even justification for his ludicrous views, it is MEANINGLESS.

Or just god?
I don't know how, why or where he got his views but as seen with Anglicanism he's not alone.

Tarryn · 10-01-2016, 01:16 PM

I consider myself Christian yet have never been told or feel that being gay/bisexual is wrong.
I would never treat anyone differently based on their sexuality.
Just because I'm straight does not mean I can't understand that others have different feelings to me & this was Winston's problem. A lack of respect.
What I do feel though is that the HM's should have just sat there a let him have his say without interrupting or laughing at him. Then at least tried to challenge him on his beliefs.
He should never been allowed to go in to the house & I think that's why BB wanted him out very quickly when they realised just how much offence he could cause.
He should be allowed his opinion no matter how much we disagree with it.
If we keep shutting people with homophobic views down we will never change their views.

Kazanne · 10-01-2016, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarryn

I consider myself Christian yet have never been told or feel that being gay/bisexual is wrong.
I would never treat anyone differently based on their sexuality.
Just because I'm straight does not mean I can't understand that others have different feelings to me & this was Winston's problem. A lack of respect.
What I do feel though is that the HM's should have just sat there a let him have his say without interrupting or laughing at him. Then at least tried to challenge him on his beliefs.
He should never been allowed to go in to the house & I think that's why BB wanted him out very quickly when they realised just how much offence he could cause.
He should be allowed his opinion no matter how much we disagree with it.
If we keep shutting people with homophobic views down we will never change their views.

Good post Tarryn

Kizzy · 10-01-2016, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarryn

I consider myself Christian yet have never been told or feel that being gay/bisexual is wrong.
I would never treat anyone differently based on their sexuality.
Just because I'm straight does not mean I can't understand that others have different feelings to me & this was Winston's problem. A lack of respect.
What I do feel though is that the HM's should have just sat there a let him have his say without interrupting or laughing at him. Then at least tried to challenge him on his beliefs.
He should never been allowed to go in to the house & I think that's why BB wanted him out very quickly when they realised just how much offence he could cause.
He should be allowed his opinion no matter how much we disagree with it.
If we keep shutting people with homophobic views down we will never change their views.

His view was heard... He was asked why he felt that way and his response was 'I am a Christian', not even the Anglican church can agree if it is prohibited in the eyes of god or not so it's a perfect get out clause to use to mask bigotry.

Tarryn · 10-01-2016, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

His view was heard... He was asked why he felt that way and his response was 'I am a Christian', not even the Anglican church can agree if it is prohibited in the eyes of god or not so it's a perfect get out clause to use to mask bigotry.

Most walked out before he finished. I think I would have stayed until the end & then challenged him.

Kizzy · 10-01-2016, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarryn

Most walked out before he finished. I think I would have stayed until the end & then challenged him.

No they didn't, he stated it during the task and reiterated it for Emma.

jet · 10-01-2016, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarryn

Most walked out before he finished. I think I would have stayed until the end & then challenged him.

I think it was his attitude though. He was giving a speech all about me me me - not explaining his views at all and trying to defuse the situation but reinforcing those views. Then he said if anyone had questions to put up their hands and he would give them 15 minutes of question time. I mean, who does he think he is, their headmaster? He was being so arrogant and patronizing. I know I would have walked out with them.

Tom4784 · 10-01-2016, 01:33 PM

The reaction is justified. He's a homophobic disablist creeper that blames everyone else for his own actions and hasn't taken responsibility for anything he has said. When he had the chance to clear the air he just went on a ridiculously self indulgent speech trying to justify his hate.

An awful human being through and through.

sampvt · 10-01-2016, 01:34 PM

The bible promotes the sancity of marriage between a man and a woman. Im guessing that anything outside that alliance isn't regarded as correct, hence the twisted views of many clergy and church ministers. On side will argue its wrong, the other will argue its not that clear so because its not that clear, it cant be right and even though its not that wrong, it suits our agenda so away we go, Bull****, Religion is the cause of nearly all wars and killings so why let a good point get in the way of an argument.

Love is all that matters and a bit f paper or a church indoctrination is totally irrelevant. What I don't understand is why so many gays discount the church as archaic, yet fight for the right to be married in one. Religion is not the law and too many people let religion rule their lives. Bloody daft if you ask me as some people use religion as a way to explain away their own inadequacies and others discount it as BS.

Kizzy · 10-01-2016, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sampvt

The bible promotes the sancity of marriage between a man and a woman. Im guessing that anything outside that alliance isn't regarded as correct, hence the twisted views of many clergy and church ministers. On side will argue its wrong, the other will argue its not that clear so because its not that clear, it cant be right and even though its not that wrong, it suits our agenda so away we go, Bull****, Religion is the cause of nearly all wars and killings so why let a good point get in the way of an argument.

Love is all that matters and a bit f paper or a church indoctrination is totally irrelevant. What I don't understand is why so many gays discount the church as archaic, yet fight for the right to be married in one. Religion is not the law and too many people let religion rule their lives. Bloody daft if you ask me as some people use religion as a way to explain away their own inadequacies and others discount it as BS.

I agree with you Sam to a point, many wish to be married in the eyes of god, though the ideals foisted on the church personally I don't think have anything to do with spiritual aherance and more to do with social control.

Kazanne · 10-01-2016, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sampvt

The bible promotes the sancity of marriage between a man and a woman. Im guessing that anything outside that alliance isn't regarded as correct, hence the twisted views of many clergy and church ministers. On side will argue its wrong, the other will argue its not that clear so because its not that clear, it cant be right and even though its not that wrong, it suits our agenda so away we go, Bull****, Religion is the cause of nearly all wars and killings so why let a good point get in the way of an argument.

Love is all that matters and a bit f paper or a church indoctrination is totally irrelevant. What I don't understand is why so many gays discount the church as archaic, yet fight for the right to be married in one. Religion is not the law and too many people let religion rule their lives. Bloody daft if you ask me as some people use religion as a way to explain away their own inadequacies and others discount it as BS.

Very good point about the marriage in church Sam,never thought of it that way before.

Tom4784 · 10-01-2016, 01:45 PM

Like most bigots, he was just using religion as an excuse to justify his bigotry.

Tarryn · 10-01-2016, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Like most bigots, he was just using religion as an excuse to justify his bigotry.

I'm not a bigot yet believe in God.
Not everybody is filled with hatred.

Tom4784 · 10-01-2016, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarryn

I'm not a bigot yet believe in God.
Not everybody is filled with hatred.

You misread what I said, I was not saying that all religious people are bigots, just that bigots like Winston use religion as an excuse for their actions.

Tarryn · 10-01-2016, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

You misread what I said, I was not saying that all religious people are bigots, just that bigots like Winston use religion as an excuse for their actions.

Sorry I thought you were directing it at me.
People like Winston will always use something to justify being hateful.
I really wish he had never gone in the house.

Parmy · 10-01-2016, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

You misread what I said, I was not saying that all religious people are bigots, just that bigots like Winston use religion as an excuse for their actions.

Most bigots have probably never been in church since the last wedding they attended, unless its the church representatives themselves.