[user104658]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I'm sorry but I find it quite baffling how people want to put this horrible bitch in a mental hospital, it's not mentioned anywhere she wasn't mentally sound - if she had have been I'm pretty sure they would have mentioned it along side her alcoholism. It's a pretty straightforward case of major neglect and cruelty. Yes it sounds like she's had a bad time with her mum passing but that's no excuse to leave pets to starve to death...she managed to put a bottle to her mouth she could have managed to feed an animal and there is no excuse in my eyes.

I find it baffling that people are still talking about "making excuses" when its been outright stated several times throughout this thread that it's not about excusing her actions.

Actually, no, I don't find it baffling... because this brand of ignorance is entirely run-of-the-mill.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Experiences vary of course but this woman has received a fairly short sentence and I imagine she will serve it at quite a low security prison where there tends to be a lot of opportunities for inmates. Even if she does not receive help while in prison there are plenty of services and medication available to anyone suffering from alcoholism or depression, it isn't necessary to consign someone to a psych ward.

You say that as if we're talking about padded rooms and straight jackets in a 1950's style asylum . "Oh gosh no, don't condemn someone to the horrors of a psych ward, that's barbaric, they'll fare much better in min-sec with the junkies".

[AnnieK]

Wow..just wow...the amount of baiting and plain nastiness in this thread is quie amazing. I suffer from depression (medicated)...have done for many years, I also nursed my mum during this depression whilst she was dying, sorted her affairs and got my dad settled etc....I never once let my house go, starved my cats or neglected my son. A lot of people here seem to think depression and mental illness is a "get out of jail" card. It's not, it's something you live with...I have days where getting out of bed is the absolute worst thing I can think of, days when I feel everyone would be better off without me etc etc....it takes everything I can do to shower but if this woman was that low in my opinion, she should have sought help....there s no excuse or justification to subject anything, or anyone to the horrors these animals suffered. Should she be in prison.....yes again imo, closely monitored and provided the medication she needs. She shouldn't be in a hospital system that is buckled at best where people are waiting for treatment without having committed crimes

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Wow..just wow...the amount of baiting and plain nastiness in this thread is quie amazing. I suffer from depression (medicated)...have done for many years, I also nursed my mum during this depression whilst she was dying, sorted her affairs and got my dad settled etc....I never once let my house go, starved my cats or neglected my son. A lot of people here seem to think depression and mental illness is a "get out of jail" card. It's not, it's something you live with...I have days where getting out of bed is the absolute worst thing I can think of, days when I feel everyone would be better off without me etc etc....it takes everything I can do to shower but if this woman was that low in my opinion, she should have sought help....there s no excuse or justification to subject anything, or anyone to the horrors these animals suffered. Should she be in prison.....yes again imo, closely monitored and provided the medication she needs. She shouldn't be in a hospital system that is buckled at best where people are waiting for treatment without having committed crimes

Great post Annie

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

On the contrary, it was probably her mother's illness and her responsibility for her that tipped her over the edge. This is fairly common.

In fact, my own mother never really recovered from caring for her own mother in our home as she died, and it was a huge contributing factor in sparking her own severe mental health issues and alcoholism that eventually killed her too.

mate, i need to stop and think before i reply to that. so i won't.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I'm sorry but I find it quite baffling how people want to put this horrible bitch in a mental hospital, it's not mentioned anywhere she wasn't mentally sound - if she had have been I'm pretty sure they would have mentioned it along side her alcoholism. It's a pretty straightforward case of major neglect and cruelty. Yes it sounds like she's had a bad time with her mum passing but that's no excuse to leave pets to starve to death...she managed to put a bottle to her mouth she could have managed to feed an animal and there is no excuse in my eyes.

****the dug!, am getting ****ed.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Wow..just wow...the amount of baiting and plain nastiness in this thread is quie amazing. I suffer from depression (medicated)...have done for many years, I also nursed my mum during this depression whilst she was dying, sorted her affairs and got my dad settled etc....I never once let my house go, starved my cats or neglected my son. A lot of people here seem to think depression and mental illness is a "get out of jail" card. It's not, it's something you live with...I have days where getting out of bed is the absolute worst thing I can think of, days when I feel everyone would be better off without me etc etc....it takes everything I can do to shower but if this woman was that low in my opinion, she should have sought help....there s no excuse or justification to subject anything, or anyone to the horrors these animals suffered. Should she be in prison.....yes again imo, closely monitored and provided the medication she needs. She shouldn't be in a hospital system that is buckled at best where people are waiting for treatment without having committed crimes

It's not about making excuses for this woman or get out of jail free cards, for the 700 billionth time. I honestly give up, I'm convinced people simply are not reading the posts.

Also, Annie, honestly it's wonderful that you are in control of your depression, although unfortunate that you have to suffer it at all.

However I think you should know (and tbh probably already do know) that it's not a "one size fits all" condition and there are plenty of people out there who are not lucky enough to have a handle on it. Something being true for you, as someone suffering from depression, is not necessarily true for everyone else. Especially as - and I'm going to be frank here - it seems like you are an educated and intelligent person and those qualities are a huge part of what would give you the self-awareness required to seek help. These things don't discriminate, however, and are in fact even more prevalent in lower socio-economic groups, who have lower levels of education and introspection in general, and wouldn't have a clue where to even start when it comes to seeking help before it's too late.

Which is WHY

...here we go again, god help me...

It is important to understand this woman's state of mind and how she got to that point. NOT to excuse her, NOT as a get out of jail free card, NOT to say that what she did was in any way OK, but to help identify these issues and intervene early in future BEFORE they / another person / an animal ends up suffering.

This actual specific woman - can she be helped? God's honest opinion, probably not. So whatever, lock her up... do whatever... it doesn't really matter, so long as there's still an effort to understand what actually happened and what lead to it. The major problem with insisting blue-in-the-face that someone who does something like this is "just scum", "just evil", "just lazy", "just" and brushing their perfectly evident psychological issues under the carpet (because what? Because "the system" didn't notice? No ****, they don't notice anything!) is that nothing changes and these incidents continue to happen.

"Burn the witch" saves fewer people / animals in future than "What happened to this woman". Yet narrow-minded people, in their anger, want to focus only on punishment at the expense of understanding even though it saves FEWER of the animals they're so up-in-arms about? Meh.

I just don't know why I bother, I already know that this is going to fly straight over the heads of anyone who didn't already "get it", and no doubt will only prompt another dozen "...but it's not an excuse!!121!1!" responses. Complete and utter waste of time. Stupid TS.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And how exactly do people become "scum"? Are they born "scum"? Are they just "scummy babies"?

You live in a world where the answer to that question is " don't know don't care punish the scum". If the question is asked at all. Which seems doubtful.

I'd rather live in a world where we look for solutions to stop people ending up like this is the first place than one where we see the aftermath and grab our pitchforks. That's why it's important to acknowledge that this woman is clearly a psychological mess. Not to "excuse her". Nothing to do with her. But so that we understand it in an effort to stop others from becoming the same.

So, not looking for a visa to t'otherworld I'm afraid. Even if it does seem like a simpler existence. Easy answers with predefined boundaries, etc.

doing scummy things makes you scum.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Wow..just wow...the amount of baiting and plain nastiness in this thread is quie amazing. I suffer from depression (medicated)...have done for many years, I also nursed my mum during this depression whilst she was dying, sorted her affairs and got my dad settled etc....I never once let my house go, starved my cats or neglected my son. A lot of people here seem to think depression and mental illness is a "get out of jail" card. It's not, it's something you live with...I have days where getting out of bed is the absolute worst thing I can think of, days when I feel everyone would be better off without me etc etc....it takes everything I can do to shower but if this woman was that low in my opinion, she should have sought help....there s no excuse or justification to subject anything, or anyone to the horrors these animals suffered. Should she be in prison.....yes again imo, closely monitored and provided the medication she needs. She shouldn't be in a hospital system that is buckled at best where people are waiting for treatment without having committed crimes

do what i did, get a dog and cuddle it.xx

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

doing scummy things makes you scum.

And what makes you do scummy things? ..."being scum" by any chance?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not about making excuses for this woman or get out of jail free cards, for the 700 billionth time. I honestly give up, I'm convinced people simply are not reading the posts.

Also, Annie, honestly it's wonderful that you are in control of your depression, although unfortunate that you have to suffer it at all.

However I think you should know (and tbh probably already do know) that it's not a "one size fits all" condition and there are plenty of people out there who are not lucky enough to have a handle on it. Something being true for you, as someone suffering from depression, is not necessarily true for everyone else. Especially as - and I'm going to be frank here - it seems like you are an educated and intelligent person and those qualities are a huge part of what would give you the self-awareness required to seek help. These things don't discriminate, however, and are in fact even more prevalent in lower socio-economic groups, who have lower levels of education and introspection in general, and wouldn't have a clue where to even start when it comes to seeking help before it's too late.

Which is WHY

...here we go again, god help me...

It is important to understand this woman's state of mind and how she got to that point. NOT to excuse her, NOT as a get out of jail free card, NOT to say that what she did was in any way OK, but to help identify these issues and intervene early in future BEFORE they / another person / an animal ends up suffering.

This actual specific woman - can she be helped? God's honest opinion, probably not. So whatever, lock her up... do whatever... it doesn't really matter, so long as there's still an effort to understand what actually happened and what lead to it. The major problem with insisting blue-in-the-face that someone who does something like this is "just scum", "just evil", "just lazy", "just" and brushing their perfectly evident psychological issues under the carpet (because what? Because "the system" didn't notice? No ****, they don't notice anything!) is that nothing changes and these incidents continue to happen.

"Burn the witch" saves fewer people / animals in future than "What happened to this woman". Yet narrow-minded people, in their anger, want to focus only on punishment at the expense of understanding even though it saves FEWER of the animals they're so up-in-arms about? Meh.

I just don't know why I bother, I already know that this is going to fly straight over the heads of anyone who didn't already "get it", and no doubt will only prompt another dozen "...but it's not an excuse!!121!1!" responses. Complete and utter waste of time. Stupid TS.

good read, but in this scummy gummy's case you got depression/mental issues etc muddled up with alcoholism.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And what makes you do scummy things? ..."being scum" by any chance?

are we discussing decomposing dogs or my nostrils?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

good read, but in this scummy gummy's case you got depression/mental issues etc muddled up with alcoholism.

No.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I'm sorry but I find it quite baffling how people want to put this horrible bitch in a mental hospital, it's not mentioned anywhere she wasn't mentally sound - if she had have been I'm pretty sure they would have mentioned it along side her alcoholism.

Sorry, you find someone with alcoholism "mentally sound"?

[Parmy]

come on t, she will have kicked that dog long before all the creepy house stuff. the old ugly alkie is only alive cause her mum sadly suffered from Alzheimer's

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Wow..just wow...the amount of baiting and plain nastiness in this thread is quie amazing. I suffer from depression (medicated)...have done for many years, I also nursed my mum during this depression whilst she was dying, sorted her affairs and got my dad settled etc....I never once let my house go, starved my cats or neglected my son. A lot of people here seem to think depression and mental illness is a "get out of jail" card. It's not, it's something you live with...I have days where getting out of bed is the absolute worst thing I can think of, days when I feel everyone would be better off without me etc etc....it takes everything I can do to shower but if this woman was that low in my opinion, she should have sought help....there s no excuse or justification to subject anything, or anyone to the horrors these animals suffered. Should she be in prison.....yes again imo, closely monitored and provided the medication she needs. She shouldn't be in a hospital system that is buckled at best where people are waiting for treatment without having committed crimes

Surely someone who has suffered depression would know that this BIB is not as simple as that.

I am someone who has suffered with it on and off for years and can honestly say plucking up the courage to talk to someone about it is probably the hardest thing I've ever done. Even admitting to myself that I had a problem was a big challenge before talking to anyone else.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

good read, but in this scummy gummy's case you got depression/mental issues etc muddled up with alcoholism.

Yes, because alcoholism and addiction aren't "mental issues"?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, because alcoholism and addiction aren't "mental issues"?

i have been diagnosed with depression and could lapse into the other easily but roll away.x





my dog tells me no.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, because alcoholism and addiction aren't "mental issues"?

Sadly, it's still the case that most people don't think that they are. People still want to believe that it's fundamentally a "choice". The reality is that most cases of true alcoholism are entirely wrapped up in depression and various anxiety disorders.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

i have been diagnosed with depression and could lapse into the other easily but roll away.x

You've not answered my question.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Wow..just wow...the amount of baiting and plain nastiness in this thread is quie amazing. I suffer from depression (medicated)...have done for many years, I also nursed my mum during this depression whilst she was dying, sorted her affairs and got my dad settled etc....I never once let my house go, starved my cats or neglected my son. A lot of people here seem to think depression and mental illness is a "get out of jail" card. It's not, it's something you live with...I have days where getting out of bed is the absolute worst thing I can think of, days when I feel everyone would be better off without me etc etc....it takes everything I can do to shower but if this woman was that low in my opinion, she should have sought help....there s no excuse or justification to subject anything, or anyone to the horrors these animals suffered. Should she be in prison.....yes again imo, closely monitored and provided the medication she needs. She shouldn't be in a hospital system that is buckled at best where people are waiting for treatment without having committed crimes

well said Annie.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You've not answered my question.

go to your DR and ask for whiskey because your head tells you.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

go to your DR and ask for whiskey because your head tells you.

Again, you've not answered the question.

I take it these random statements you make are some strange attempts at "humour"?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Again, you've not answered the question.

I take it these random statements you make are some strange attempts at "humour"?

you answered it yourself in your first response.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

you answered it yourself in your first response.

So you're not going to provide your opinion or expand on the point in discussion?

Almost as though you had a baseless "point" to begin with really.