[Cal.]

There will always be a public vote involved as that is how Channel 5 make a profit from the show. There probably won't even be a new format - now they've announced there's 2 gardens it'll probably be two seperate houses with two seperate casts with two people evicted every week for a couple of weeks before the houses are merged together in the final few weeks. It's been rumoured on and off since the first series.

[TomC]

Who said the BBCAN format isn't entertaining Greg? It clearly is, possibly more so, as there is a new element added to the show.

And I wholeheartedly agree with Jack; you can implement bits of strategy to the current format, but you can't involve the public on a format that is based on gameplay. Otherwise there is no point in 'playing a game' as your game could be ruined at any point by an external force over which you have control. It literally doesn't work.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by TomC

Who said the BBCAN format isn't entertaining Greg? It clearly is, possibly more so, as there is a new element added to the show.

And I wholeheartedly agree with Jack; you can implement bits of strategy to the current format, but you can't involve the public on a format that is based on gameplay. Otherwise there is no point in 'playing a game' as your game could be ruined at any point by an external force over which you have control. It literally doesn't work.

You really are not getting my point. It does not matter if someone's game could be ruined by the public. My point is that aspects from BBUS could add to the entertainment value of BBUK. Whether or not letting the public vote in evictions enables housemates to "play the game well" is irrelevant.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Greg!

You really are not getting my point. It does not matter if someone's game could be ruined by the public. My point is that aspects from BBUS could add to the entertainment value of BBUK. Whether or not letting the public vote in evictions enables housemates to "play the game well" is irrelevant.

So then why did you say this?

Originally Posted by TomC

^ You can't have a strategy based game and public decisions as well, like Jack said.

Originally Posted by Greg!

Yes you can?

You can think someone's game being ruined is entertaining - I don't necessarily disagree, but the point both of us are making is that you cannot make BBUK a strategic game if the overall control of who's evicted is left up to the public. That's what you disputed.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Jack_

You can think someone's game being ruined is entertaining - I don't necessarily disagree, but the point both of us are making is that you cannot make BBUK a strategic game if the overall control of who's evicted is left up to the public. That's what you disputed.

Lol I've never said that I want BBUK to be a "strategic game". All I'm saying is that elements of the North American BB format could be added to BBUK to freshen it up a bit and make it more enjoyable to watch. I don't understand what you're not getting and why you're so pressed?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Lol I've never said that I want BBUK to be a "strategic game". All I'm saying is that elements of the North American BB format could be added to BBUK to freshen it up a bit and make it more enjoyable to watch. I don't understand what you're not getting and why you're so pressed?

I never said you said that either I'm completely aware of what you're saying, but when me and Tom were discussing how it's not possible to have a strategic format if you still keep the public vote as they cancel each other out, you quoted him and said 'yes it is'

That's what we've been discussing the whole time. Not whether we should make it a strategic game, not whether ruining someone's strategy is entertaining, the fact that you cannot make BBUK a strategic game if you still have a public vote. You said you can? I'm not pressed in the slightest, just really confused why you're not seeing what you wrote yourself

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

There will always be a public vote involved as that is how Channel 5 make a profit from the show. There probably won't even be a new format - now they've announced there's 2 gardens it'll probably be two seperate houses with two seperate casts with two people evicted every week for a couple of weeks before the houses are merged together in the final few weeks. It's been rumoured on and off since the first series.

this is probably the truth tbh.

[Nerd]

I think a good way of keeping public involved but having US/CAN rules would be to have the HoH nominate three houseguests, and then have a Viewer's Veto to save one of the three before the normal PoV competition resumes.

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Nerd

I think a good way of keeping public involved but having US/CAN rules would be to have the HoH nominate three houseguests, and then have a Viewer's Veto to save one of the three before the normal PoV competition resumes.

I actually really like this. It doesn't actually interfere much as still if the HMs campaign well enough inside the house they can stay.

[Greg!]

but that's just my opinion

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Greg!

You really are not getting my point. It does not matter if someone's game could be ruined by the public. What matters is that aspects from BBUS could add to the entertainment value of BBUK. Whether or not letting the public vote in evictions enables housemates to "play the game well" is irrelevant.

You never actually said you wanted to 'add elements of BBUS to BBUK' though, you said you wanted to involve the public in the BBUS format, which as I've said, wouldn't work. If that wasn't what you were meaning, you should have made yourself clearer.

It is relevant, whether the public can destroy a good gameplayer's chances. It's not fair. Hence why, for example, there is a huge uproar when one of the best dancers are voted out of Strictly.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by TomC

You never actually said you wanted to 'add elements of BBUS to BBUK' though, you said you wanted to involve the public in the BBUS format, which as I've said, wouldn't work. If that wasn't what you were meaning, you should have made yourself clearer.

Yes I did say that though?
Literally my first post on this topic was

I wouldn't mind if they introduced elements of BBUS or BBCAN but it needs to keep the public vote.

I made myself perfectly "clear" thanks

[Greg!]

Also why is it a necessity that the best game player wins? The winner should be the one who has been most entertaining imho

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Yes I did say that though?
Literally my first post on this topic was


I made myself perfectly "clear" thanks

That's my mistake, sorry, but you did go on to say that public vote and strategic gameplay can coexist which I still disagree with, for the reasons I've stated.

Originally Posted by Greg!

Also why is it a necessity that the best game player wins? The winner should be the one who has been most entertaining imho

Because the new format would be an actual competition based on strategic gameplay rather than a popularity contest.

[Greg!]

Well I could sit here and argue all night but it's clear we are not going to convince eachother lmao

[TomC]

I win

(Jk Sorry)

[Greg!]

All I'm saying is that mixing BBUK with certain aspects of BBUS (which by its very nature is strategic) could be entertaining and make the show feel a bit fresh and new.
Your point is that it wouldn't work because people's game plans could be ruined. But that's irrelevant to me and the vast majority of BBUK viewers who are interested in being entertained, not ensuring that someone's strategy goes to plan every week.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Greg!

All I'm saying is that mixing BBUK with certain aspects of BBUS (which by its very nature is strategic) could be entertaining and make the show feel a bit fresh and new.
Your point is that it wouldn't work because people's game plans could be ruined. But that's irrelevant to me and the vast majority of BBUK viewers who are interested in being entertained, not ensuring that someone's strategy goes to plan every week.

Noooo you're confusing it again

I get that you think implementing parts of the US format into the UK one would be entertaining and I get that you don't care if someone's strategy is ruined because of that.

All I'm asking is why you said 'yes you can' to Tom saying you can't make BBUK a strategic game if you still keep the public vote. In your last post you just said you don't think you can, I just wanna know why you said 'yes you can' if that's not what you believe?

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Noooo you're confusing it again

I get that you think implementing parts of the US format into the UK one would be entertaining and I get that you don't care if someone's strategy is ruined because of that.

All I'm asking is why you said 'yes you can' to Tom saying you can't make BBUK a strategic game if you still keep the public vote. In your last post you just said you don't think you can, I just wanna know why you said 'yes you can' if that's not what you believe?

He said having a public vote in a strategy based game wouldn't work. If BBUK had elements of BBUS in it then it could be classed as strategy based. So I said 'yes it can' or whatever because of the reasons I have stated many many many times on this thread.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Greg!

He said having a public vote in a strategy based game wouldn't work. If BBUK had elements of BBUS in it then it could be classed as strategy based. So I said 'yes it can' or whatever because of the reasons I have stated many many many times on this thread.

It can't though, if the control over who's evicted is left to the public it remains a popularity contest. If you can spend an entire week playing comps and strategising only to not have any say on who actually leaves and for it to be left on a whim for the public to decide, you cannot possibly form any sort of strategy.

All it would be would just be a more rigid version of what we have now, with an HoH nominating people for personal reasons. That is not a strategic based game in any shape or form whatsoever. You may think it'd be fine and entertaining like that, but it still doesn't make it strategic which is what we're arguing about

[Greg!]

Ok but I think it would work

[Greg!]

No hun I just can't be bothered repeating the same arguments over and over again x

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Greg!

He said having a public vote in a strategy based game wouldn't work. If BBUK had elements of BBUS in it then it could be classed as strategy based. So I said 'yes it can' or whatever because of the reasons I have stated many many many times on this thread.

No, bringing in elements of BBUS to the BBUK format doesn't make it 'strategy based'.

[Jack_]

Then why have you dragged this out for three pages?

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Then why have you dragged this out for three pages?

Because either you haven't been getting my point and I tried to explain it to you or you're just arguing with me for the sake of it. Either way there's no way we are going to convince eachother so I'm over it.