[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Joey there are 12 days to go before the vote. My vote will cancel out your vote and visa versa so why not just chill out on this whole issue and just let the rest of the people in the UK decide. No need to be knocking on doors in the hope that you are gonna change someones mind. Remember your mind can't be changed on this issue as can't mine and i am certain many people have already made their minds up on this issue so there's too cannot be changed so you knocking on their door is only gonna annoy them.

How offensive.
That is impertinent,out of line and out of order,Kindly don't tell me what to do.
What has it got to do with you what other members do when it is asked of them.

I am member of the Labour party,and proud to be so, I will go out canvassing with Conservatives, Lib dems, UKIP and all other parties which also are doing if I have the time and am asked to.

You would likely, then again not, be amazed at the people who have been grateful for us at their doors and the numbers that come up to us at the street stalls too.I will do all I can to present my view as to why I want to stay in to anyone undecided, 'if' they wish me to.

It doesn't annoy anyone at all I have found and really don't dare start presuming I would do anything to annoy anyone either.

I will do with my time and my life what I want to do, with thankfully no assistance needed from you at all.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

How offensive.
That is impertinent,out of line and out of order,Kindly don't tell me what to do.
What has it got to do with you what other members do when it is asked of them.

I am member of the Labour party,and proud to be so, I will go out canvassing with Conservatives, Lib dems, UKIP and all other parties which also are doing if I have the time and am asked to.

You would likely, then again not, be amazed at the people who have been grateful for us at their doors and the numbers that come up to us at the street stalls too.I will do all I can to present my view as to why I want to stay in to anyone undecided, 'if' they wish me to.

It doesn't annoy anyone at all I have found and really don't dare start presuming I would do anything to annoy anyone either.

I will do with my time and my life what I want to do, with thankfully no assistance needed from you at all.

That is where you and me differ. I am not out to convince anyone to vote either IN or OUT of the EU. That is each persons personal choice. It's called democracy and i believe that people should be allowed to make up their own minds without having someone bang on their door force feeding them lies and scare stories in order to alter a vote.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

KIZZY - the first article by John King which I posted, and the second article by him which you posted, says it ALL really if we are truthful.

This issue of the UK's membership of the EU transcends British domestic political parties and the decision we all have to make on the 23rd of June is the THE most vitaly important decision we will ever have to make in the past 50 years.

Genuine socialists say it, and HONEST capitalists who have no covert vested interests say it - WE HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE corrupt, money-draining shambles that is the EU if we are to survive as a country.

Your excellent article by King not only ANSWERS all those sneering but misguided 'Remain' supporters who unfairly label anyone who is genuinely concerned about the untenable levels of unscreened immigration to this tiny island as xenophobic or racist or 'Little Englanders', it also explains just why they are misguided.

It not only explains WHY it is perfectly alright to be Patriotic, but it also defines the difference between Patriotism and Nationalism - which is not alright.

"England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during “God Save the King” than of stealing from a poor box."

The darling of the TRUE left - Owen Jones advocates Brexit and says that by Brexiting the left can reconnect with working-class communities it lost touch with long ago.

Kate Hoey and Gisela Stuart - both Brexiteers - are more honourable than a thousand Jeremy Corbyns and John McDonnells - because they are TRUE to their left wing socialist Tony Benn/Michael Foot principles.

A 56 per cent majority of 2015 Labour voters – seen as pivotal to the result – support the 'REMAIN' campaign whilst 62 per cent of Tory voters want 'OUT', which is WHY the despicable, self-serving, great deceiver David Cameron NEEDS the support of Labour voters to succeed in his plot to keep the UK in the EU.

How truly bitterly ironic will it be, if the majority of Tories - the perceived party of Business and Profits - vote to leave the corporatist, anti-democratic, anti-socialist, anti-proletariat EU, while Labour KEEP US IN?

I for one, will NEVER forgive the Labour Party should Labour votes enable Cameron to succeed.

Here is another excellent explanatory article by Brendan O'Neill - The Left Wing Editor of 'Spiked':

The strange death of left-wing Euroscepticism
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http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04...uroscepticism/

and another:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...u-british-left

Where is my post?... :/

[erinp5]

Remain .

[Johnnyuk123]

Latest poll says 55% will vote to leave the EU.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

That is where you and me differ. I am not out to convince anyone to vote either IN or OUT of the EU. That is each persons personal choice. It's called democracy and i believe that people should be allowed to make up their own minds without having someone bang on their door force feeding them lies and scare stories in order to alter a vote.

I give my view to them when asked, we only ask initially if they have decided to vote.
If they wish to ask us anything they can.
Just as in any campaign, referendum or election.

Now you are accusing me of telling lies to people at their doors.
Really I am sick of this baiting of me from you,you have done it on more than one occasion,cut it out right now because really I do not even wish to converse with you, you are totally offensive and disrespectful.

What right have you at all to tell other members what they should and should not do in their personal lives off here.
Sheer ignorance.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I give my view to them when asked, we only ask initially if they have decided to vote.
If they wish to ask us anything they can.
Just as in any campaign, referendum or election.

Really I am sick of this baiting of me from you,you have done it on more than one occasion,cut it out right now because really I do not even wish to converse with you, you are totally offensive and disrespectful.

What right have you to tell other members what they should and should not do in their personal lives off here.
Sheer ignorance.

I'm sorry but do not go to the (i am baiting you default option again in here) you've done this to death with The Truth and Kirk and others as your get out clause for not being able to answer simple questions posed to you from them. That IS offensive.
The fact that you feel the need to bang on peoples door to gain votes for the remain party speaks volumes. But again DO NOT implicate that me or anyone on here who is for the brexit is baiting you because that is a total cop out.

[Adamw92]

Still undecided

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Collaborate to remain but apply the Leave campaign's controlled border idea.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I'm sorry but do not go to the (i am baiting you default option again in here) you've done this to death with The Truth and Kirk and others as your get out clause for not being able to answer simple questions posed to you from them. That IS offensive.
The fact that you feel the need to bang on peoples door to gain votes for the remain party speaks volumes. But again DO NOT implicate that me or anyone on here who is for the brexit is baiting you because that is a total cop out.

We find the leave side knocking on doors too, you are grossly offensive.

You know what, I am sick to death of you and your nastiness, I will not discuss with you the truth or Kirk, indeed you should not be either,however I actually do have respect for Kirk anyway.

There you are have it your way, I refuse to spend another day on this forum with you.
I just hope one day you are seen for what you are as to your baiting and insults to other members.
Good riddance I say,the sooner I never have to read your prejudiced insults and disrespect to other members,especially myself, the better.

You are in my view anyway,plain ignorant.

[jaxie]

This is an interesting article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36500747

Particularly this bit: "In is in. Out is out. One has to respect the sovereignty of the British people."
For some business leaders sympathetic to Brexit - and close to the Prime Minister - this is a problem.
They agree that leaving the single market could result in significant economic headwinds.
But, they tell me, there is a solution - the UK remaining in the single market but without the need for full free movement as presently constituted.
And they are in discussions with German businesses to make the case for a different structure if the vote goes their way.
It would work like this:
Britain votes to leave the EU.
Negotiations begin on Britain's new relationship with the EU.
The UK offers to maintain at least part of its contribution to the EU budget - at present about Ł8.5bn a year including rebates and EU support for British agriculture and research.
In return, Britain withdraws from the free movement of people requirements but allows for a lesser "free movement of labour" which allows for workers from the EU to come to the UK with a firm job offer.
One senior City figure I spoke to who is pro-Brexit said that German businesses were "petrified" of the UK leaving the single market.
He argued that "Mittelstand" firms - the medium sized companies that are the engine room of the German economy - would demand that political leaders do a deal to allow goods unfettered access to the UK.
And vice versa.

So you see there are options and deals to be done, deals that will never be done if we don't leave, deals that are much more palatable to us as a people. If people vote remain, this will never happen. There will be no options, no negotiations, the UK will be expected to toe the line. Leave is not the land of doubt some people think it is, already negotiations are going on in secret. You can bet on that.

Other EU countries are also concerned about the economic effect on their domestic economy if the UK leaves, and, those sympathetic to Brexit believe, politicians would be under similar business pressure to "do a free trade deal".
A little noticed study in the Netherlands by the country's Bureau for Economic Analysis said this: "By 2030, the costs for the Netherlands [of Brexit] could run up to 1.2% of GDP, or 10 billion euros.
"And, if we also assume innovation is trade‐induced as recent examples in the literature have shown, then the Brexit‐related costs of 10 billion euros could increase by another 65%."
The report suggests that if the UK does vote to leave there would need to be some form of free trade agreement, although not with all the advantages of the present single market.
"It would not be able to completely restore the current full access to the internal market," the report says.
"[But] should the EU and the UK reach a free trade agreement, the economic consequences of a Brexit for the Netherlands would be reduced by 20% [in the] absence of trade tariffs for goods traded between the EU and the UK."

[Kizzy]

We don't have a sovereign..... we have a figurehead that is all, purely for decoration 'sovereignty' for the UK would mean one thing...Autocracy.

[smudgie]

Have already voted.
Out.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I'm sorry but do not go to the (i am baiting you default option again in here) you've done this to death with The Truth and Kirk and others as your get out clause for not being able to answer simple questions posed to you from them. That IS offensive.
The fact that you feel the need to bang on peoples door to gain votes for the remain party speaks volumes. But again DO NOT implicate that me or anyone on here who is for the brexit is baiting you because that is a total cop out.

johnny, you are out of order on this. Joey is heavily involved in politics, has been for a while, and he shouldn't be criticized for that

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

That is where you and me differ. I am not out to convince anyone to vote either IN or OUT of the EU. That is each persons personal choice. It's called democracy and i believe that people should be allowed to make up their own minds without having someone bang on their door force feeding them lies and scare stories in order to alter a vote.

So you would encourage people to vote in these Referendums and Elections without knowing all of the facts? This is why people like Joey are needed.

And also have you not read the Daily Mail? They spread lies for a living.

[_Tom_]

I don’t find anything wrong with canvassing, both Leave and Remain do this. From what I know it involves going door to door and asking the person if they are voting – and how they are voting. It’s less about convincing a person and more about being a presence – answering any questions they may have – engaging with the voting public.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by the truth

so instead of fighting to change our own government , give up and try to change an unelected parliament of 30 countries and 500 million+ people and tens of thosuands of politcians?
lol

totally illogical and totally undemocratic and wholly ineffective

keep sovereignty and keep democracy and simply fight the government on every single issue...thats how democracy works, you should throw it away for ANYTHING....least of all a wasteful bankrupt corporate cartel of unelected crooks

Good post

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

johnny, you are out of order on this. Joey is heavily involved in politics, has been for a while, and he shouldn't be criticized for that

I am heavily involved in music so does that mean people cannot dismiss any composition i compose? If Joey is in fact a politician then i am in fact Donald Duck.

[kirklancaster]

Here's a new song which I am recording in time to be played before the 23rd. Play the backing track and sing along to it as you dance. It's a lot more fun than listening to Cameron and Osborne's B.S 'Better Off In The EU' lies.

CAM THE SHAM AND THE SCAREHO'S

"Sullied Bullies"

Youtube video

Uno, dos, one, two, tres, quatro
Osborne told Cameron, he had a surprise.
“The pubic's started rumbling, all our fecking lies.”
We're Sullied Bullies, Sullied Bulliies,
Sullied Bullies, Sullied Bullies, Sullied Bullies.

Cameron told Osborne, "That's gonna hurt our campaign” .
“We need a diversion, so attack Boris again”.
We're Sullied Bullies, Sullied Bulliies,
Sullied Bullies, Sullied Bullies, Sullied Bullies.

Osborne told Cameron, "That's the thing to do.”
But we can still keep lying and scaring the uk too ."
We're Sullied Bullies, Sullied Bulliies,
Sullied Bullies, Sullied Bullies,Sullied Bullies.

[MB.]

Discussion seems to be split between the two threads for some reason, but The Sun are now officially in favour of Brexit, meaning a leave vote is almost a certainty

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I am heavily involved in music so does that mean people cannot dismiss any composition i compose? If Joey is in fact a politician then i am in fact Donald Duck.

Who said he was a politician? I think you're a duck.

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by MB.

Discussion seems to be split between the two threads for some reason, but The Sun are now officially in favour of Brexit, meaning a leave vote is almost a certainty

How depressing.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by _LucasMichael_

How depressing.

Reminds me of the quote:

I once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union. 'That’s easy,' he replied. 'When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.'

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Here's a new song which I am recording in time to be played before the 23rd. Play the backing track and sing along to it as you dance. It's a lot more fun than listening to Cameron and Osborne's B.S 'Better Off In The EU' lies.

CAM THE SHAM AND THE SCAREHO'S

"Sullied Bullies"

Youtube video

Uno, dos, one, two, tres, quatro
Osborne told Cameron, he had a surprise.
“The pubic's started rumbling, all our fecking lies.”
We're Sullied Bullies, Sullied Bulliies,
Sullied Bullies, Sullied Bullies, Sullied Bullies.

Cameron told Osborne, "That's gonna hurt our campaign” .
“We need a diversion, so attack Boris again”.
We're Sullied Bullies, Sullied Bulliies,
Sullied Bullies, Sullied Bullies, Sullied Bullies.

Osborne told Cameron, "That's the thing to do.”
But we can still keep lying and scaring the uk too ."
We're Sullied Bullies, Sullied Bulliies,
Sullied Bullies, Sullied Bullies,Sullied Bullies.

Hi Kirk,
That video link doesn't work. See if you can re upload it or something.
Anyway while your fixing the link you can always get in the party mood by watching this music video.

Youtube video

[Johnnyuk123]

Lies told to Norway before they rejected EU membership BREXIT VOTE EXIT

Youtube video