[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

so instead of fighting to change our own government , give up and try to change an unelected parliament of 30 countries and 500 million+ people and tens of thosuands of politcians?
lol

totally illogical and totally undemocratic and wholly ineffective

keep sovereignty and keep democracy and simply fight the government on every single issue...thats how democracy works, you should throw it away for ANYTHING....least of all a wasteful bankrupt corporate cartel of unelected crooks

If we, as the UK, have thrown anything away it has been done and allowed to be done by the govts we elected here in the UK of all persuasions.

I do not blame the EU for that,I blame those govts,which in fact,the current one, no matter its heartlessness and extreme policies, I cannot get rid of either,under this outdated electoral system and while the far South only of England remains a virtual one party State and getting even worse as to that.

I have issues with the EU and want it reformed, the UK cannot reform it any more if out of it,however I hate far more most of what the last 4 elected UK govts have done over the last 15 years, than anything the EU has.

I wouldn't actually be that confident if I was you that even by leaving you would get back what you hope for as to immigration or other conditions.

The UK may on paper gain around £170 million a week, a pittance in govt monetary terms.
What it then possibly would lose in real success,credibility,status and influence in the World, not just as to the EU, could be far bigger.

There you have my opinion anyway, and just before you come back at me and say it, I am sure what I have said is just more of what you would term as nonsense from me.

However we will see, and I would like to see some sort of insurance that if all goes wrong once out, the leave campaigns are held accountably responsible for same for their misleading of the voters on this issue.