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Crimson Dynamo · 07-07-2016, 03:27 PM

The public want perfection from the police but do not lay the blame at the scum crims who keep committing crimes and shooting people

AnnieK · 07-07-2016, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The public want perfection from the police but do not lay the blame at the scum crims who keep committing crimes and shooting people

They had a back light out on their car.....not exactly the crime of the century

or worth the title of scum crim

Crimson Dynamo · 07-07-2016, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK

They had a back light out on their car.....not exactly the crime of the century

or worth the title of scum crim

i was not referring to this case as we have no details about it other than a video made by that woman

Niamh. · 08-07-2016, 09:58 AM

Just reading a bit more on that second story LT posted, the guy that was shots 4 year old daughter was in the car and saw it all too, poor kid

Crimson Dynamo · 08-07-2016, 02:52 PM

"According to The Advocate, a warrant had been issued for Sterling’s arrest in 2015 after he failed to register as a sex offender for charges dating back to 2000. He also spent five years in prison beginning in 2009 for drug-related crimes.!"

SO the cops had every right to be very wary about this man and the fact he was armed

user104658 · 08-07-2016, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"According to The Advocate, a warrant had been issued for Sterling’s arrest in 2015 after he failed to register as a sex offender for charges dating back to 2000. He also spent five years in prison beginning in 2009 for drug-related crimes.!"

SO the cops had every right to be very wary about this man and the fact he was armed

When does "wary" become "shoot him lots just incase"? The police are supposed to stay cool, rational and professional in these situations... That is what they are paid for and - importantly - that is what they signed up to be. We're not talking about a civilian protecting himself or his family... Being a police officer is a job that has certain inherent risks when it comes to doing it properly and those risk are accepted by implication when someone chooses the job. "Yeah I signed up but I'm going to be on the super-safe side and shoot first ask questions later just incase" is not a valid defense here.

Neither is "but he was a bad guy anyway", to be clear. Laying down justice is, as you are so fond of saying, up to a court of law. No one should be advocating judge dredd style trigger happy cops where anything goes so long as the victims are "baddies", it is a terrible idea.

Niamh. · 08-07-2016, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

When does "wary" become "shoot him lots just incase"? The police are supposed to stay cool, rational and professional in these situations... That is what they are paid for and - importantly - that is what they signed up to be. We're not talking about a civilian protecting himself or his family... Being a police officer is a job that has certain inherent risks when it comes to doing it properly and those risk are accepted by implication when someone chooses the job. "Yeah I signed up but I'm going to be on the super-safe side and shoot first ask questions later just incase" is not a valid defense here.

Neither is "but he was a bad guy anyway", to be clear. Laying down justice is, as you are so fond of saying, up to a court of law. No one should be advocating judge dredd style trigger happy cops where anything goes so long as the victims are "baddies", it is a terrible idea.

Not to mention, no matter what this guy may have done, there was a 4 year old child in the car as well, totally innocent of anything

Macie Lightfoot · 08-07-2016, 03:34 PM

Alton Sterling wasn't even the person they were called to the scene about in the first place

Crimson Dynamo · 08-07-2016, 03:45 PM

The Dallas incident will just make Law Enforcement Officers more cautious

I feel sorry for all the Police and their families

user104658 · 08-07-2016, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The Dallas incident will just make Law Enforcement Officers more cautious

I feel sorry for all the Police and their families

Of course it will. NM is right when he says it's mainly about fear. These kids join the police and straight away are bombarded with "horror stories" that make them fear for their lives and that sinks in so they start seeing any black face as having the potential to be their own horror story. Make no mistake though; the fact that it is fear based does NOT mean it isn't racism!

So they treat people like a lethal threat from the word go and end up twitchy, shooting first, further alienating groups of people, which leads to more violence, which is used to confirm the horror stories ("see? Didn't I warn you about them?") and so next time, the Cop has even more prejudice and is even more likely to shoot first and fast.

It is a cycle of violence but the professionals HAVE TO be the ones to put an end to it. They can be better trained, they can be better picked in the first place, they can be better prepared to resolve situations without violence whenever possible. It HAS to lie with the cops. You can't try to make the responsibility to end the cycle lie with random civilians who are NOT hired or trained or prepared, it's madness.

Northern Monkey · 08-07-2016, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Of course it will. NM is right when he says it's mainly about fear. These kids join the police and straight away are bombarded with "horror stories" that make them fear for their lives and that sinks in so they start seeing any black face as having the potential to be their own horror story. Make no mistake though; the fact that it is fear based does NOT mean it isn't racism!

So they treat people like a lethal threat from the word go and end up twitchy, shooting first, further alienating groups of people, which leads to more violence, which is used to confirm the horror stories ("see? Didn't I warn you about them?") and so next time, the Cop has even more prejudice and is even more likely to shoot first and fast.

It is a cycle of violence but the professionals HAVE TO be the ones to put an end to it. They can be better trained, they can be better picked in the first place, they can be better prepared to resolve situations without violence whenever possible. It HAS to lie with the cops. You can't try to make the responsibility to end the cycle lie with random civilians who are NOT hired or trained or prepared, it's madness.

True.I don't think cops are literally going out saying 'lets go shoot some black guys' but they are scared and twitchy af when they do pullover or stop a black guy.As for who is to blame for this cycle well black communities have been shooting the crap out of each other for decades and the police have been racist in the past so who knows but it needs to be calmed down by the proffessionals.

Northern Monkey · 08-07-2016, 03:49 PM

It's unfortunately a vicious circle of death and i can't see how it can end.The police are scared of the black guys and the black guys are scared of the police and everyone's got guns at the ready.Scary stuff.

Jack_ · 08-07-2016, 04:05 PM

I don't know why people entertain LT's BS when he doesn't believe a word he's saying

Crimson Dynamo · 08-07-2016, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't know why people entertain LT's BS when he doesn't believe a word he's saying

Incorrect

Thankfully I can watch a video and realise that it is one view and it may be fictional

Jack_ · 08-07-2016, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Incorrect

Thankfully I can watch a video and realise that it is one view and it may be fictional

Whatever you say LT

Cherie · 10-07-2016, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't know why people entertain LT's BS when he doesn't believe a word he's saying

Breath taking stance from a "liberal"

Jack_ · 10-07-2016, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Breath taking stance from a "liberal"

Elaborate

Cherie · 10-07-2016, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

Elaborate

liberal
ˈlɪb(ə)r(ə)l/
adjective
1.
willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.

Dismissing someone's views as trolling is as far from liberal as you can get

Jack_ · 10-07-2016, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

liberal
ˈlɪb(ə)r(ə)l/
adjective
1.
willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.

Dismissing someone's views as trolling is as far from liberal as you can get

Not exactly, do I accept that there are people who don't believe police brutality and institutionalised racism in the US is a problem? Obviously. But LeatherTrumpet isn't one of them, nor does he really believe Kate McCann is some wonderful woman either

He's entitled to post what he wants, that is being a liberal. And I'm entitled to say I believe he's being disingenuous, that's also liberal

user104658 · 10-07-2016, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

liberal
ˈlɪb(ə)r(ə)l/
adjective
1.
willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.

Dismissing someone's views as trolling is as far from liberal as you can get

Not if it is legitimately trolling.

That said I don't think LT is (always) trolling, he has his moments but mostly he just has a few "sticky points" that he adheres to with bizarre stubbornness.