[kirklancaster]

Christian children KICKED OUT of school for refusing to wear hijab or recite Koran

CHRISTIAN children are being deprived of their education and being ousted from schools for refusing to wear a hijab, it has been revealed.

Schools across Egypt are forcing girls of every religion to wear the Muslim headscarf and children of both sexes are being punished if they cannot quote the Koran off by heart.

Even Muslim girls who refuse to wear a hijab are being forced out of school in a country where Coptic Christians have previously been able to live free of persecution.

Rahman Salem, 12, was ordered to leave her lesson and banned from taking part in any activities at her school in the Delta, northern Egypt.

Other pupils gave her nasty looks and started leaving the Muslim girl out over the incident.

She said: "I was made to stand all alone in the school courtyard.

“The headmistress later came to me and said: ‘Here in school, you put on the headscarf. Outside, you may do as you wish.’

"No girl can show up with her hair showing. They all have to wear the hijab.

"Christian girls have to wear the hijab. As soon as the end-of-day bell rings, they start taking it off.”

I was told ‘Stop being an idiot! Don’t you want your daughter to be decent?’
Says Mother

"I was shocked when other mothers stopped me at the gate. ‘What’s that? How can your daughter show up like this?’

“I re-inspected my daughter’s uniform, and incredulously asked what was wrong. ‘Her head and neck have to be strictly covered!’"

Last month another school in the same province of Sharqia put in force rules to make all female students wear a hijab, with the al-Nassiriya School’s headteacher posting a large sign saying Islam dress is now part of the girls’ uniform.

And Christian seven-year-old Viola Samir told how her Islamic religious studies teacher held eight Christian pupils in her class of 35 children back.

The teacher then beat anyone who had not learnt the Koran off by heart.

Usually, Christian students in Egypt move to a different classroom during religious studies classes where they learn about Christianity while Muslims stay and learn about Islam.

Viola’s father told Christian persecution website, World Watch Monitor: "When my daughter told the teacher that the extra texts were not part of the Arabic curriculum [which all students have to learn], she was severely punished by her teacher.

"The Christian religious studies teacher complained to the headmaster, but he took no disciplinary action against the Muslim teacher.

“In the end, the teacher allowed the Christian children to leave the class to join their Christian studies class.”

Another parent in a different school in the same town of Samalout, 155 miles from Cairo, said his 11-year-old son son was caned for not reciting verses from the Koran.

He said: “"Once, the teacher, Mohamed, caned Abanob on the back of his hands, afterwards forcing him to stand with his face to the board and both arms up in the air for the entire length of the lesson.

“My son had failed to repeat the Koranic text by heart when prompted to.”

All the parents said their children now hate going to school and are often absent due to bullying from both teachers and children.

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[arista]

Yes its going backwards

Should be a main news story.

[jaxie]

It's such a shame as Egypt was quite a moderate country on religion. It's like going back to the dark ages. Though it sounds like parents need to stand up for their children's rights more. Any teacher who beat or caned my child and made them stand up with their arms up for hours would be having a visit from me and he police.

An outrageous way to treat children.

Waiting to be told that it's acceptable because it's Islam and that we should give them some money towards new canes because the naughty Christians are breaking theirs.

[Withano]

This is obviously terrible..

Naming no names, but theres a few on here who thought the burqa should be banned in the UK, it'll be interesting to see if they have a problem with Christians being told how to dress..

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

This is obviously terrible..

Naming no names, but theres a few on here who thought the burqa should be banned in the UK, it'll be interesting to see if they have a problem with Christians being told how to dress..

Actually it should probably be banned everywhere because it is religious oppression of women. As should any religious doctrine telling people to stone other human beings for perceived wrongs/immodesty, telling people what to wear and that they aren't allowed to use contraceptives etc.

Unfortunately there are people who think that is all OK in the name of religion because some man told everyone god said it.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Actually it should probably be banned everywhere because it is religious oppression of women. As should any religious doctrine telling people to stone other human beings for perceived wrongs/immodesty, telling people what to wear and that they aren't allowed to use contraceptives etc.

Unfortunately there are people who think that is all OK in the name of religion because some man told everyone god said it.

But youre not really saying burquas are forced on women by men therefore they should be banned and they should take them off immediately. That would be hypocritical. Youre not really saying that Brits can force dresscodes off people but Egyptians may not do the opposite. That would also be hypocritical.

So what are you really saying, that post didnt come off well.

I think your point is that 'anti-religion' is superior to 'any religion' therefore act like me. But thats a bit too dark of a discussion for me to have. Live and let live etc. Lets not force the burquas off people, lets not force burquas on people, lets sympathise and join in outrage when people try to enforce one rule or the other.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

But youre not really saying burquas are forced on women by men therefore they should be banned and they should take them off immediately. That would be hypocritical. Youre not really saying that Brits can force dresscodes off people but Egyptians may not do the opposite. That would also be hypocritical.

So what are you really saying, that post didnt come off well.

What I'm saying is forcing anyone to wear a religious uniform is wrong. Brainwashing people into wearing a religious uniform is also wrong. Personally I think the world would be a happier place without silly made up religious rules.

Unfortunately stopping the use of religious uniform would probably require banning it which in a sense would also be forcing it to end. In an ideal world people get to choose, in reality very few do. Bear in mind my use of the word probably. Probably for the greater good religious uniform ought to banned. In reality that is difficult to do without taking away the right to choose. What I think might be the better route isn't necessary the route that can be taken. However I do think there might be a case with regard hidden faces and head to floor covering with regard hidden terrorism/crime.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

What I'm saying is forcing anyone to wear a religious uniform is wrong. Brainwashing people into wearing a religious uniform is also wrong. Personally I think the world would be a happier place without silly made up religious rules.

Unfortunately stopping the use of religious uniform would probably require banning it which in a sense would also be forcing it to end. In an ideal world people get to choose, in reality very few do. Bear in mind my use of the word probably. Probably for the greater good religious uniform ought to banned. In reality that is difficult to do without taking away the right to choose. What I think might be the better route isn't necessary the route that can be taken. However I do think there might be a case with regard hidden faces and head to floor covering with regard hidden terrorism/crime.

Alright, I just think its a bit hypocritical.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Actually it should probably be banned everywhere because it is religious oppression of women. As should any religious doctrine telling people to stone other human beings for perceived wrongs/immodesty, telling people what to wear and that they aren't allowed to use contraceptives etc.

Unfortunately there are people who think that is all OK in the name of religion because some man told everyone god said it.

Well said Jaxie.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Withano

The point of the thread is that it is awful that Christian children in Egypt are being told how to dress..

An additional point that I made is that it will be ironic if those who believe burquas should be banned would become outraged at this, as they would be blissfully unaware that they would be contradicting themselves.

Telling Christians which items of clothing to wear is disgusting, similarly it os disgusting to tell anybody of any religion which articles of clothing to not wear. Anybody who hates one but preaches the other is contradicting themselves and are hypocritical.

You are not missing THE point Withano - you are missing lots of points. But before I expound, here is an image showing just what a Burqa is along with other traditional forms of coverings for Muslim women:

As can CLEARLY be seen, the BURQA is SINISTER and COVERS the ENTIRE wearer - to the point where identification of GENDER is impossible let alone identity of the wearer.

Nearly as bad, from a CONCEALMENT perspective, is the NIQAB, with the CHADOR - when it is worn high up the face so that only the eyes are revealed - as it is more often than not, being just as bad from the same perspective .

The HIJAB and KHIMAR, are on a par with the HABITS, COIFS, WIMPLES and VEILS worn by CHRISTIAN NUNS, and as such pose NO identification problems.

And IDENTIFICATION is THE issue here Withano.

NO ONE ever proposed banning ANY form of Muslim women's dress UNTIL Muslim Terrorists declared HOLY WAR upon the entire world and began to wreak the most evil campaign of death and destruction in it.

THEN and only THEN, did it not only become VITAL for the Security Forces of EVERY country in the world, to be able to readily IDENTIFY any MUSLIM, but it also became NECESSARY to put the worried minds of the citizens of those countries at rest.

UNIDENTIFIED people inside Burqas and Niqabs and Chadors, moving FREELY through the crowded Malls and Streets of our inner cities in ever INCREASING numbers, DO NOT placate anxious citizens nor alleviate their fears - perfectly understandable fears given the carnage inflicted upon ORDINARY, UNARMED, INNOCENT CIVILIANS by these terrorist cowards in many Cities throughout the world.

So there is no correlation between any call by the Security Forces or citizens of any free Western Democracy for the very sinister - and franky ludicrous - Burqa to be banned and this IMPOSING of Muslim dress and Muslim ideology on young schoolchildren who are not of that culture and not of that faith, at the cost of their own culture and faith, and with barbaric punishments for non-compliance.

There is also no correlation between the Burqa, Niqab, and Chador and the attire of Christian Nuns.

A Nun's attire does not fully conceal her gender nor her identity, and the Roman Catholic Church has not declared war on ALL Mankind, and is not currently committing atrocities within most countries of the world, and even in the comparatively rare incidents of evil Christian Extremist factions having committed atrocities in the name of God - there is NO evidence that Nuns have assisted them by concealing weapons and bombs beneath their habits.

Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of some Burqa and Niqab wearing Muslim women.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You are not missing THE point Withano - you are missing lots of points. But before I expound, here is an image showing just what a Burqa is along with other traditional forms of coverings for Muslim women:

As can CLEARLY be seen, the BURQA is SINISTER and COVERS the ENTIRE wearer - to the point where identification of GENDER is impossible let alone identity of the wearer.

Nearly as bad, from a CONCEALMENT perspective, is the NIQAB, with the CHADOR - when it is worn high up the face so that only the eyes are revealed - as it is more often than not, being just as bad from the same perspective .

The HIJAB and KHIMAR, are on a par with the HABITS, COIFS, WIMPLES and VEILS worn by CHRISTIAN NUNS, and as such pose NO identification problems.

And IDENTIFICATION is THE issue here Withano.

NO ONE ever proposed banning ANY form of Muslim women's dress UNTIL Muslim Terrorists declared HOLY WAR upon the entire world and began to wreak the most evil campaign of death and destruction in it.

THEN and only THEN, did it not only become VITAL for the Security Forces of EVERY country in the world, to be able to readily IDENTIFY any MUSLIM, but it also became NECESSARY to put the worried minds of the citizens of those countries at rest.

UNIDENTIFIED people inside Burqas and Niqabs and Chadors, moving FREELY through the crowded Malls and Streets of our inner cities in ever INCREASING numbers, DO NOT placate anxious citizens nor alleviate their fears - perfectly understandable fears given the carnage inflicted upon ORDINARY, UNARMED, INNOCENT CIVILIANS by these terrorist cowards in many Cities throughout the world.

So there is no correlation between any call by the Security Forces or citizens of any free Western Democracy for the very sinister - and franky ludicrous - Burqa to be banned and this IMPOSING of Muslim dress and Muslim ideology on young schoolchildren who are not of that culture and not of that faith, at the cost of their own culture and faith, and with barbaric punishments for non-compliance.

There is also no correlation between the Burqa, Niqab, and Chador and the attire of Christian Nuns.

A Nun's attire does not fully conceal her gender nor her identity, and the Roman Catholic Church has not declared war on ALL Mankind, and is not currently committing atrocities within most countries of the world, and even in the comparatively rare incidents of evil Christian Extremist factions having committed atrocities in the name of God - there is NO evidence that Nuns have assisted them by concealing weapons and bombs beneath their habits.

Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of some Burqa and Niqab wearing Muslim women.

None of this is relevant to your OP kirk. Ive not brought up nuns, and I agree there is little or no connection to make there.

Your OP, (you may have forgotten because the thread has taken a new life of its own) was about Christian children being forced to wear specific articles of clothing. I believe everyone thus far has agreed this is wrong. I also believe that the post that I quoted here is the first to create a link between the childrens clothing and terrorism in the thread.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You are not missing THE point Withano - you are missing lots of points. But before I expound, here is an image showing just what a Burqa is along with other traditional forms of coverings for Muslim women:

As can CLEARLY be seen, the BURQA is SINISTER and COVERS the ENTIRE wearer - to the point where identification of GENDER is impossible let alone identity of the wearer.

Nearly as bad, from a CONCEALMENT perspective, is the NIQAB, with the CHADOR - when it is worn high up the face so that only the eyes are revealed - as it is more often than not, being just as bad from the same perspective .

The HIJAB and KHIMAR, are on a par with the HABITS, COIFS, WIMPLES and VEILS worn by CHRISTIAN NUNS, and as such pose NO identification problems.

And IDENTIFICATION is THE issue here Withano.

NO ONE ever proposed banning ANY form of Muslim women's dress UNTIL Muslim Terrorists declared HOLY WAR upon the entire world and began to wreak the most evil campaign of death and destruction in it.

THEN and only THEN, did it not only become VITAL for the Security Forces of EVERY country in the world, to be able to readily IDENTIFY any MUSLIM, but it also became NECESSARY to put the worried minds of the citizens of those countries at rest.

UNIDENTIFIED people inside Burqas and Niqabs and Chadors, moving FREELY through the crowded Malls and Streets of our inner cities in ever INCREASING numbers, DO NOT placate anxious citizens nor alleviate their fears - perfectly understandable fears given the carnage inflicted upon ORDINARY, UNARMED, INNOCENT CIVILIANS by these terrorist cowards in many Cities throughout the world.

So there is no correlation between any call by the Security Forces or citizens of any free Western Democracy for the very sinister - and franky ludicrous - Burqa to be banned and this IMPOSING of Muslim dress and Muslim ideology on young schoolchildren who are not of that culture and not of that faith, at the cost of their own culture and faith, and with barbaric punishments for non-compliance.

There is also no correlation between the Burqa, Niqab, and Chador and the attire of Christian Nuns.

A Nun's attire does not fully conceal her gender nor her identity, and the Roman Catholic Church has not declared war on ALL Mankind, and is not currently committing atrocities within most countries of the world, and even in the comparatively rare incidents of evil Christian Extremist factions having committed atrocities in the name of God - there is NO evidence that Nuns have assisted them by concealing weapons and bombs beneath their habits.

Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of some Burqa and Niqab wearing Muslim women.

This is why I love Kirk Lancaster.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You are not missing THE point Withano - you are missing lots of points. But before I expound, here is an image showing just what a Burqa is along with other traditional forms of coverings for Muslim women:

As can CLEARLY be seen, the BURQA is SINISTER and COVERS the ENTIRE wearer - to the point where identification of GENDER is impossible let alone identity of the wearer.

Nearly as bad, from a CONCEALMENT perspective, is the NIQAB, with the CHADOR - when it is worn high up the face so that only the eyes are revealed - as it is more often than not, being just as bad from the same perspective .

The HIJAB and KHIMAR, are on a par with the HABITS, COIFS, WIMPLES and VEILS worn by CHRISTIAN NUNS, and as such pose NO identification problems.

And IDENTIFICATION is THE issue here Withano.

NO ONE ever proposed banning ANY form of Muslim women's dress UNTIL Muslim Terrorists declared HOLY WAR upon the entire world and began to wreak the most evil campaign of death and destruction in it.

THEN and only THEN, did it not only become VITAL for the Security Forces of EVERY country in the world, to be able to readily IDENTIFY any MUSLIM, but it also became NECESSARY to put the worried minds of the citizens of those countries at rest.

UNIDENTIFIED people inside Burqas and Niqabs and Chadors, moving FREELY through the crowded Malls and Streets of our inner cities in ever INCREASING numbers, DO NOT placate anxious citizens nor alleviate their fears - perfectly understandable fears given the carnage inflicted upon ORDINARY, UNARMED, INNOCENT CIVILIANS by these terrorist cowards in many Cities throughout the world.

So there is no correlation between any call by the Security Forces or citizens of any free Western Democracy for the very sinister - and franky ludicrous - Burqa to be banned and this IMPOSING of Muslim dress and Muslim ideology on young schoolchildren who are not of that culture and not of that faith, at the cost of their own culture and faith, and with barbaric punishments for non-compliance.

There is also no correlation between the Burqa, Niqab, and Chador and the attire of Christian Nuns.

A Nun's attire does not fully conceal her gender nor her identity, and the Roman Catholic Church has not declared war on ALL Mankind, and is not currently committing atrocities within most countries of the world, and even in the comparatively rare incidents of evil Christian Extremist factions having committed atrocities in the name of God - there is NO evidence that Nuns have assisted them by concealing weapons and bombs beneath their habits.

Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of some Burqa and Niqab wearing Muslim women.

Great post
And very relevant since whenever a thread comes along showing just how backwards and nasty Islam can be there are inevitably always either apologists,excusers or comparisons made to try and deflect attention off the topic and attempts to denigrate Western countries and anyone who disagrees with this barbaric ideology.It beggers belief.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Great post
And very relevant since whenever a thread comes along showing just how backwards and nasty Islam can be there are inevitably always either apologists,excusers or comparisons made to try and deflect attention off the topic and attempts to denigrate Western countries and anyone who disagrees with this barbaric ideology.It beggers belief.

Well said

[Maru]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You are not missing THE point Withano - you are missing lots of points. But before I expound, here is an image showing just what a Burqa is along with other traditional forms of coverings for Muslim women:

As can CLEARLY be seen, the BURQA is SINISTER and COVERS the ENTIRE wearer - to the point where identification of GENDER is impossible let alone identity of the wearer.

Nearly as bad, from a CONCEALMENT perspective, is the NIQAB, with the CHADOR - when it is worn high up the face so that only the eyes are revealed - as it is more often than not, being just as bad from the same perspective .

The HIJAB and KHIMAR, are on a par with the HABITS, COIFS, WIMPLES and VEILS worn by CHRISTIAN NUNS, and as such pose NO identification problems.

And IDENTIFICATION is THE issue here Withano.

NO ONE ever proposed banning ANY form of Muslim women's dress UNTIL Muslim Terrorists declared HOLY WAR upon the entire world and began to wreak the most evil campaign of death and destruction in it.

THEN and only THEN, did it not only become VITAL for the Security Forces of EVERY country in the world, to be able to readily IDENTIFY any MUSLIM, but it also became NECESSARY to put the worried minds of the citizens of those countries at rest.

UNIDENTIFIED people inside Burqas and Niqabs and Chadors, moving FREELY through the crowded Malls and Streets of our inner cities in ever INCREASING numbers, DO NOT placate anxious citizens nor alleviate their fears - perfectly understandable fears given the carnage inflicted upon ORDINARY, UNARMED, INNOCENT CIVILIANS by these terrorist cowards in many Cities throughout the world.

So there is no correlation between any call by the Security Forces or citizens of any free Western Democracy for the very sinister - and franky ludicrous - Burqa to be banned and this IMPOSING of Muslim dress and Muslim ideology on young schoolchildren who are not of that culture and not of that faith, at the cost of their own culture and faith, and with barbaric punishments for non-compliance.

There is also no correlation between the Burqa, Niqab, and Chador and the attire of Christian Nuns.

A Nun's attire does not fully conceal her gender nor her identity, and the Roman Catholic Church has not declared war on ALL Mankind, and is not currently committing atrocities within most countries of the world, and even in the comparatively rare incidents of evil Christian Extremist factions having committed atrocities in the name of God - there is NO evidence that Nuns have assisted them by concealing weapons and bombs beneath their habits.

Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of some Burqa and Niqab wearing Muslim women.

Great rebuttal post, kirk

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Maru

Great rebuttal post, kirk

Great? Right, I would like some evidence of women carrying bombs and weapons beneath their clothing for this rebuttal to have any credence whatsoever.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Great? Right, I would like some evidence of women carrying bombs and weapons beneath their clothing for this rebuttal to have any credence whatsoever.

It's been on the news.

One that springs to mind is some of the girls kidnapped by Boko haram were drugged and sent off with suicide bombs under their clothes.

This is one but there are others.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...gerian-mother/

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Great? Right, I would like some evidence of women carrying bombs and weapons beneath their clothing for this rebuttal to have any credence whatsoever.

Here is the evidence which you ask for; there is a great wealth more, but I should think this will suffice:

25th Dec 2002: Two assailants in burqas threw a grenade among worshippers attending Christmas Day Mass in the village of Chianwala, Northwest of Lahore, killing three and wounding thirteen.

1st Oct 2007: Bomber kills 15 in Pakistan: A burqa-wearing suicide bomber of undetermined sex has killed at least 15 people and injuring 22 at a crowded police checkpoint in Bannu, near the North Waziristan tribal region, about 110 miles south of Peshawar.

4th Dec 2007: Woman blows self up at Pakistan army checkpoint: A woman in a burqa carrying a basket over her head, thought to be an Afghan in her 30s, blew herself in*Peshawar*as she approached a checkpost.

24th Dec 2007: Woman with bomb under her burqa caught in Afghanistan: Afghan intelligence agents in*Jalalabad detained a woman, 55, hiding a bomb under her burqa. She had been followed from Kunar after a tip-off before her arrest. An official in Kunar's intelligence department explained that "She was carrying the suicide waistcoat for the Taliban."

14th Aug 2008: Shi'i pilgrims in Iraq: Twin suicide bombings by burqa'ed women*killed 22 and wounded at least 73 Shi'i pilgrims in Iskandariyah, Iraq, as the pilgrims made their way to Karbala, the police chief of Babil province.

25th Dec 2010: Burqa'ed suicide bomber kills 41 in Pakistan: In what may be the largest death toll to date,*Pakistan's first female suicide bomber*approached a security checkpoint as United Nations officials distributed aid in Khar, Bajaur Agency, to over a thousand diplaced people. She first hurled a hand grenade, then detonated an explosive-laden vest. A senior tribal administration official, Sohail Khan, announced that "At least 41 people are dead and more than 60 wounded in the suicide bombing."

10th June 2011: Assassination of Somalia's interior minister: A covered woman (not clear what exactly she was wearing) hiding a bomb killed*Abdi Shakur Sheikh Hassan*in his house in Mogadishu. A niece of the minister, she apparently detonated her explosives after being stopped by security officers; her bomb may have detonated a larger bomb already placed inside the house.


19th August 2011: "Female bombers hit Pakistan police at blast site": The Associated Press reports from Peshawar that a "burqa-clad female suicide bomber attacked police at the scene of an earlier explosion in northwestern Pakistan on Thursday, twin strikes that killed five people and broke a relative lull in [Islamist] violence."

Specifics: "two women approached police guarding [a just-bombed] area. One of the females threw a grenade, then was able to partially detonate her suicide vest, said Shafqat Malik, a police officer with the bomb disposal unit. She appeared to be 16 or 17 years old, he said. "I thought the girl was pregnant as she was walking slowly with another woman. As I tried to push people away, suddenly a blast took place," said police officer Himayat Ullah, who was wounded in the attack.

27th Sept 2013: Burqa clad woman suicide bomber kills unknown number in Helmut Province, Afghanistan: The woman in a full-length burka walked calmly into the drab government office. She moved close to the desk behind which an administrator was shuffling his papers. Others queued around her. Suddenly, without warning, she detonated the suicide vest she was wearing. The explosion flashed a brilliant white on the grainy CCTV before the cameras cut out, obliterating everything – and everyone – in the room.

29th March 2014: Four Burqa clad Taliban attackers in Kabul: Four of the Taliban members who attacked Afghanistan's*Independent Election Commission*compound today, injuring two police officers, wore burqas. None survived the assault.

13th Aug 2014: Four suicide bombings in northern Nigeria by covered women: A series of suicide bombings carried out by young women carrying*explosives under their body coverings, has wracked northern Nigeria, Agence France-Presse reports. Four such attacks by teenagers took place in July, leaving at least 9 dead and dozens injured. The worst of them, a blast at Kano State Polytechnic on July 30 killed 6 and injured 20. Another took place at an upscale shopping mall.

AFP goes on:
A security source involved in forensic analysis of the Kano blasts noted:
"From our preliminary findings, all the female suicide bombers were between 14 and 16 years which gives an idea of the age group of the bombers."

1st Dec 2014: Murder in a toilet stall:*Ibolya Ryan, a Romanian-born 37-year-old American kindergarten teacher and mother of 11-year-old twin boys, was stabbed to death with a knife on Dec. 1 by a burqa-clad woman who awaited a kafir to attack in the*toilets of the Boutik Mall on Reem Island in Abu Dhabi, UAE. The killer fled scene in a niqab and black gloves.

June 29, 2015 update: An Abu Dhabi court found*Alaa Al Hashemi, 30, an Emirati subject and mother of six, guilty of murdering Ryan and it sentenced her to death by firing squad. In addition, Al Hashemi was convicted of making a bomb (that did not explode) with which she tried to blow up an apartment belonging to an Egyptian-American doctor; of using an online account to spread information ridiculing and harming Abu Dhabi; and of sending money to Al Qaeda in Yemen.*

July 13, 2015 update: Hashemi was*executed*by firing squad.

6th Jan 2015: Attack on Istanbul police station: A female suicide bomber*killed one police officer*and injured another in the Sultan Ahmet district of Istanbul.

Istanbul governor Vasip Sahin told Turkish TV. No group has yet said it was behind the attack, the second on police in a week. ... Mr Sahin said the woman, dressed in a niqab, entered the police station and told officers she had lost her wallet before detonating the bomb.

22nd Oct 2015: Burqa clad suicide bomber kills 11 worshippers in and injures 18 more in Shi'ite mosque in Pakistan: The suicide bomber who entered the*Imambargah Mosque*in Balochistan Province in southwestern Pakistan was wearing a burqa. Police said 11 died and 18 were wounded.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Maru

Great rebuttal post, kirk

Sincere thanks Maru - This is praise indeed coming from you. Thank you.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

The thread is about religious persecution.

Then as a person who believes the burqa should be banned worldwide, why do you think your arguments holds any weight?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Then as a person who believes the burqa should be banned worldwide, why do you think your arguments holds any weight?

Well actually you are misquoting me, I think all religious uniforms should be done away with for a happier world. I also think we'd be better off without religion.

I'm thinking that's probably not going to happen tomorrow but a girl can dream.

Why does my argument need to hold weight? Does it's ass look fat in this conversation?

[Firewire]

Do you think nuns opting to wear religious dress as well as covering their heads is oppression?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Do you think nuns opting to wear religious dress as well as covering their heads is oppression?

I do actually it's just another form of religious indoctrination.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I do actually it's just another form of religious indoctrination.

Even though it's by choice?

What about Sikh men who wear turbans? Are they oppressed?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Even though it's by choice?

What about Sikh men who wear turbans? Are they oppressed?

Is it a choice? Or has it been taught?

It doesn't matter what religion it is, religiois uniform is generally unhealthy interference by religion into people's daily lives. Although I don't know enough about Sikh's to say if they have been told they are immodest and will drive the opposite sex to rape and madness if they don't wear it.