[DemolitionRed]

And note, since we now have fixed-term Parliaments in Westminster, Ms May requires a two-thirds majority, or a motion of no confidence in her Government, to get her way on this. It's a reckless gamble; she has a majority barely in double figures.

[Ronald.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And note, since we now have fixed-term Parliaments in Westminster, Ms May requires a two-thirds majority, or a motion of no confidence in her Government, to get her way on this. It's a reckless gamble; she has a majority barely in double figures.

I don't think it's in any of the oppositions' interests to vote against this? R.

[DemolitionRed]

And will we miss the NHS when we have to pay Ł70 for a prescription and afford medical insurance higher than the average mortgage? It may sound daft now but those times are nearly with us.

[smudgie]

Labour and Lib Dem are all for the election, so no problem there.

[reece(:]

Hasn't she ever so incessantly insisted that a snap election was not needed, can't trust a word this woman says.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Hasn't she ever so incessantly insisted that a snap election was not needed, can't trust a word this woman says.

She's a bloody alien lookalike snake!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Greg!

She's a bloody alien lookalike snake!

Preferable to the evil Scottish goblin if you really want to get so childish about it.

[Braden]

Even though this election probably won't result in how I wish, I'm still really excited to vote again

[Ronald.]

Originally Posted by Braden

Even though this election probably won't result in how I wish, I'm still really excited to vote again

Me too! I love election period. The debates, staying up late to watch the results come in.... R.

[Wizard.]

The Challenge impact?

[joeysteele]

She just cannot be believed on anything she says.
Really the election could have been the same day as the local elections,had she thought this sooner.
Her constant insistence of no early election now just slung out shows how untrustworthy she and her cabinet are.

Of course this election is an opportunist one from her angle,no other reason for it.
She has an overall majority now, she can usually rely too on the Conservative 'poodle' party,namely the N Irish DUP s votes.

For me, I would love to see this move really backfire on her and this smug,arrogant govt.
What a result if she actually has taken voters too much for granted with her deceit this time,and the end result is she loses her overall majority at least.
If the polling narrows and the Lib Dems start taking back seats they had before.
That could be very likely achievable.

Really however,no way can this woman's word be trusted,it couldn't before,all her time as an awful Home Secretary.
If it's possible her word has become even more meaningless after her incredible and massive u turn on this unnecessary election.
Which will likely open up the nasty elements of division,seen just last year in the EU referendum again too.

[Livia]

More planned parenthood is what's needed I reckon.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

More planned parenthood is what's needed I reckon.

I don't think that's the answer tbh. There's a real culture of social welfare as a lifestyle for some people and getting pregnant, getting a house from the state etc etc seems to be a part of that. It's a maddening attitude when you're working your ass off to pay taxes etc and you see these people who's whole way of life seems to be to scam the system and live off the state for their whole life but I personally believe it's working on changing those peoples attitudes and outlook on life is the only way it would get better. It's like they have this idea ingrained in them that this is the only way they can live their life, there's no motivation from parents or teachers or their communities to encourage them to strive for more or to tell them that that is even possible, that's what I've seen in my experience anyway

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think that's the answer tbh. There's a real culture of social welfare as a lifestyle for some people and getting pregnant, getting a house from the state etc etc seems to be a part of that. It's a maddening attitude when you're working your ass off to pay taxes etc and you see these people who's whole way of life seems to be to scam the system and live off the state for their whole life but I personally believe it's working on changing those peoples attitudes and outlook on life is the only way it would get better. It's like they have this idea ingrained in them that this is the only way they can live their life, there's no motivation from parents or teachers or their communities to encourage them to strive for more or to tell them that that is even possible, that's what I've seen in my experience anyway

Great post Naimh. I agree with every word except that there is no motivation, there is. I had a couple of wonderful teachers at school who were life changing.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Great post Naimh. I agree with every word except that there is no motivation, there is. I had a couple of wonderful teachers at school who were life changing.

That's wonderful for you Jaxie but not everyone does have those teachers who will take the time to motivate students and also even if there is sometimes influences from family and friends stops them from getting the message through as well. I do have masses of respect for anyone who manages to break that loop though, it takes a fierce strength and determination of character I think

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's wonderful for you Jaxie but not everyone does have those teachers who will take the time to motivate students and also even if there is sometimes influences from family and friends stops them from getting the message through as well. I do have masses of respect for anyone who manages to break that loop though, it takes a fierce strength and determination of character I think

I think part of the problem these days is teachers are so bogged down in paperwork that they don't have time to inspirational.

[smudgie]

I am oldish. ( not a pensioner)
I am disabled.
We are now a none working family.
I claimed PIP and was treat wonderfully, from my daughter making the first phone call to the lovely lady who came to visit me, absolutely no complaints.

Now I don't doubt that some people have it rough, and some appear to go through the mill from what has been said on here, but I have yet to meet anybody who has in my area ( that I know, obviously)
It must be down to the luck of the draw I guess.

[the truth]

let me think what a labour uk would look like hmm.....mountains of debts, over paid unsackable public sector bosses, endless waste on the roads , more filthy mismanaged hospitals, endless abuse cover ups, another collapsed housing bubble, dismantling of our nuclear subs, open borders, sell out to europe, abandonment of the industries, breeding for benefits culture, loss of civil liberties and free speech, mindless political correctness, spin doctors in the cabinet and of course illegal wars..all this and dianne abbott calling everyone who doesnt agree with her a racist ...bliss

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by the truth

let me think what a labour uk would look like hmm.....mountains of debts, over paid unsackable public sector bosses, endless waste on the roads , more filthy mismanaged hospitals, endless abuse cover ups, another collapsed housing bubble, dismantling of our nuclear subs, open borders, sell out to europe, abandonment of the industries, breeding for benefits culture, loss of civil liberties and free speech, mindless political correctness, spin doctors in the cabinet and of course illegal wars..all this and dianne abbott calling everyone who doesnt agree with her a racist ...bliss

Like a horror movie.

[DemolitionRed]

New Labour started tuition fees.
New Labour went to war in Iraq
New Labour scammed this country like the good neo-liberals they were and in doing so, set a fantastic precedence for a newly ellected Tory government.

Fortunately we no longer have a 'New Labour'... nothing like.

As for poverty. Modern day poverty looks somewhat different to the poverty our parents or grandparents had to endure. Its almost impossible to compare, especially in many boroughs of London where the average house price is Łhalf a million and the average rent of a one bed flat is probably more than you earn in a month unless your a professional.

If you bought your council house/flat in London back in the 70s-90s you will of paid a pittance for it. If you sold that same house/flat now and moved up north, you could afford a grand house standing in its own acres. Anyone who purchased property during the 70s 80s is laughing now but anyone who doesn't yet own property, will never (unless they inherit) have the same luck you had.

If salaries had risen along with house prices, a green collar worker would be earning Ł88k a year now instead of the pathetic Ł14k. Older people will try and tell you its all subjective... its not!

[DemolitionRed]

Journalism forums are all buzzing with the same topic. Not the election but the imminent announcement by the director of public prosecutions about election fraud.

It seems that up to 30 Tory MPs are to be handed to the CPS for election fraud in that they massively overspent their budgets at the last election and deliberately concealed it using methods that have been long employed but only recently uncovered by Channel 4 News and others.

If those MPs were prosecuted they would suspended from parliament and the Tory's overall majority would be wiped out. So May is banking on her present poll lead to increase the majority and also deselect those MPs under investigation before they cause her any serious damage.

This is going to get interesting...

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Journalism forums are all buzzing with the same topic. Not the election but the imminent announcement by the director of public prosecutions about election fraud.

It seems that up to 30 Tory MPs are to be handed to the CPS for election fraud in that they massively overspent their budgets at the last election and deliberately concealed it using methods that have been long employed but only recently uncovered by Channel 4 News and others.

If those MPs were prosecuted they would suspended from parliament and the Tory's overall majority would be wiped out. So May is banking on her present poll lead to increase the majority and also deselect those MPs under investigation before they cause her any serious damage.

This is going to get interesting...

Yeah Dennis Skinner brought it up in PMQ's today.May said something along the lines of she stands by her MP's or something.

[Kizzy]

Conning basts!