[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It honestly causes me despair at how willing people are to **** themselves over because a newspaper told them they should hate Corbyn.

lol thats the ONLY argument the left ever use....we bankrupted the country? no blame the daily mail...we invaded iraq illegally and killed a million innocents....? no blame the daily mail......we had the filthiest hospitals in europe? no blame the daily mail....we had record public debts over a trillion...no blame the daily mail....sold us out to europe ...blame the daily mail...deregulated the banks...blame the daily mail.....lol what a joke they are....hardly anyone even reads the daily mail lol...but most people who dont vote labour can do basic maths

[bots]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's a disgusting and corrupt thing that she's done. She has wasted £1bn that could have been spent elsewhere in order to stay in power.

I pity anyone that even tries to defend that.

1bn is easily worth it to keep Corbyn away from power. Job done.

[Smithy]

it definitely will not educate you

[jet]

Originally Posted by Smithy

it definitely will not educate you

They got enough right about Corbyn. But of course if you don't like what you read then it can't be true, right? The deaf, dumb and blind following of the man is pretty horrifying really.

[reece(:]

A very divisive move for NI by May

[smudgie]

The £billion is for infrastructure across the whole of NI.
That in itself should be pleasing to both sides and hopefully get them back around the table for the talks.

[reece(:]

Looks like the magic money tree came through for the Cons in the end!

[joeysteele]

Both the DUP and Sinn Féinn are sectarian Parties.
They can support who they wish with elected MPs or support no one.
What no sectarian set of bigots should have is any influence over a national UK govt.
None whatsoever.

If they vote with the Cons in parliament when there,fair enough.
No deals,no bribes,no money however for said votes.

Sectarian bigots holding a govt to ransom,I'd rather another election than ever entertain any sectarian party.

[jaxie]

The fact that a deal has been so slow and what it does to May's credibiliy aside, I fail to understand why anyone would think an area of the UK that desperately needs more cash getting some is a dreadful thing. No matter how they got it. Good luck to them for squeezing a little extra cash for their country. I wouldn't call some much needed investment into any area of the UK that benefits all the citizens there a waste. No one bats an eye when Scotland demands.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jaxie

The fact that a deal has been so slow and what it does to May's credibiliy aside, I fail to understand why anyone would think an area of the UK that desperately needs more cash getting some is a dreadful thing. No matter how they got it. Good luck to them for squeezing a little extra cash for their country. I wouldn't call some much needed investment into any area of the UK that benefits all the citizens there a waste. No one bats an eye when Scotland demands.

They don't indeed. Throwing their toys out of the pram again - as they were screaming with glee when they thought a deal wouldn't happen. They got it wrong again.

[MTVN]

Sinn Fein were the official political party of the IRA. The DUP are not and never have been the official political party of any loyalist paramilitary and the DUP today is a far different beast to the DUP in its early days under Ian Paisley. If they have some history with ex-loyalist terrorists that is because it is impossible to be involved in Northern Irish politics and be wholly cut off from the violence that existed there for years and years. This is a very good article on the issue:

Otherwise reputable Twitter accounts from serious journalists eagerly shared as fact pictures of UDA paramilitary murals that had been crudely photoshopped to include images of the DUP. Cartoons of Arlene Foster, the DUP leader, routinely depicted her as a grotesque vision of an Orangeman – in the case of the Times cartoonist, Peter Brookes, an Orangeman with heavy stubble: it was a 21st century take on those notorious 19th century Punch images of the cringing Catholic Irishman with a stovepipe hat and shillelagh, except this time the targets were Protestant and Unionist.

Foster’s meeting with the UDA leader Jackie McDonald was brandished by no less than the deputy editor of The Guardian as firm evidence that she is a terrorist sympathiser – despite the fact that McDonald, now a veteran alumnus of the peace process, is a friend of the former Irish president Mary McAleese, and was pictured warmly shaking hands with Jonathan Powell – Tony Blair’s former chief of staff – in 2015, when Powell flew over to set up the “Loyalist Communities Council” with the UVF and UDA.

The continuing inclusion of former paramilitaries – with their terrible pasts and often questionable present – at virtually all costs is the central tenet of the peace process. The DUP needs to be more robust in facing down the loyalist paramilitaries, particularly in South Belfast. But if the proximity of paramilitaries to government continues to make you uneasy, as it does me, there will be very little practical place for you in Northern Ireland politics as currently constructed.

Foster is, in fact, a member of the Church of Ireland who happily drinks alcohol and only joined the DUP in 2004. She spent the day before the election in Messines, Belgium with the outgoing Taoiseach Enda Kenny, commemorating a WWI battle in which unionist and Irish nationalist soldiers fought side by side. When necessary, she has attended local events alongside the Sinn Fein MLA Sean Lynch, a former close comrade of the late IRA man Seamus McElwain, whom Foster believes attempted to murder her policeman father and succeeded in wounding him. How many armchair pundits have had to negotiate such a complex past and present?

Full article: https://capx.co/criticism-of-the-dup...ght-hypocrisy/

[Alf]

Should have given May a majority, and this wouldn't be happening.

That's what was best for the country, going into the EU negotiations


But people voted tribally and not with their heads.



I'm not blaming anyone for how they voted, just giving you a reason for the current situation.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Alf

Should have given May a majority, and this wouldn't be happening.

That's what was best for the country, going into the EU negotiations


But people voted tribally and not with their heads.



I'm not blaming anyone for how they voted, just giving you a reason for the current situation.

Tribally is a good description - that is exactly what happened.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Alf

Should have given May a majority, and this wouldn't be happening.

That's what was best for the country, going into the EU negotiations


But people voted tribally and not with their heads.



I'm not blaming anyone for how they voted, just giving you a reason for the current situation.

So you believe those who'd used their brains and not tribal instincts would of voted Conservative. Please explain why? what are the Cons offering the nation it shackles?

It really is time we heard an answer to the above question because there is little to no talk on here about Tory government achievements.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

So you believe those who'd used their brains and not tribal instincts would of voted Conservative. Please explain why? what are the Cons offering the nation it shackles?

It really is time we heard an answer to the above question because there is little to no talk on here about Tory government achievements.

lol lowest unemployment rate in decades...more jobs created than the rest of europe put together in their 7 years in charge, deficit reduction....cleaned up the hospitals no more mrsa....strengthened the ombudsman and complaints procedures within hospitals to limit public sector cover ups...reduced tax for the poorest workers...gdp increase...democratic vote on europe....tightening up on anti terror laws at the borders....put corrupt bankers in jail unlike labour...fairer cap on benefits of £25,000 ...all that after taking over a bankrupted nation..granted theres lots of cock ups to say the least but thats some massive achievements after labours disasters

[Alf]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

So you believe those who'd used their brains and not tribal instincts would of voted Conservative. Please explain why? what are the Cons offering the nation it shackles?

It really is time we heard an answer to the above question because there is little to no talk on here about Tory government achievements.

This was an election to see who the people wanted, to lead us in carrying out what the country voted for last June.

May made her point clear, "out means out" "No deal is better than a bad deal"

Corbyn didn't even want to talk about it.


Don't get me wrong, May played a stinker. Until her shocking manifesto came out, she had a massive landslide. After those manifestos came out, people forgot about what was the point of the election, and went back to their tribes.

May probably shouldn't have even called an election. That and the shocking manifesto, definitely makes me wonder what her motives were.

[DemolitionRed]

Youtube video

[Crimson Dynamo]

Never mind the Brexit negotiations did the DUP just pull off the best bit of negotiation in UK political history?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Never mind the Brexit negotiations did the DUP just pull off the best bit of negotiation in UK political history?

Nah. They could have held out for more, and May was always going to give them whatever they wanted.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Never mind the Brexit negotiations did the DUP just pull off the best bit of negotiation in UK political history?

It's a great deal all round, not just for the DUP. A billion is a great deal to keep Stalin (I mean Corbyn) out of office.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's a great deal all round, not just for the DUP. A billion is a great deal to keep Stalin (I mean Corbyn) out of office.

I love how people are still desperately trying to twist all of this into a great achievement for the Tories, when the fact still stands that they would still be in a MUCH better position had they simply not called an election in the first place

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I love how people are still desperately trying to twist all of this into a great achievement for the Tories, when the fact still stands that they would still be in a MUCH better position had they simply not called an election in the first place

But we can't live our lives by if's and buts. Was done is done and we have to crack on.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

But we can't live our lives by if's and buts. Was done is done and we have to crack on.

We can't live life pretending that failures were achievements, either, though... or we run the risk of never learning from those failures. The Tories took a massive risk with this election and their gamble failed. The situation they have now with the DUP is not a good one, for anyone except the DUP, including the Tories. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Is it a better situation for the Tories / Tory supporters than Labour getting into power? Sure. But "better" doesn't necessarily mean "good". Getting chlamydia is "better" than getting syphilis... but no one's throwing a congratulations party for it.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's a great deal all round, not just for the DUP. A billion is a great deal to keep Stalin (I mean Corbyn) out of office.

it sure is. And to think that billion is going to the place which his IRA pals bombed the hell out of while he supported them. He must be fuming. Oh, the irony.

[Vicky.]

I find it amusing (in a sad way) that theres 'no magic money tree' that could give nurses a payrise so they don't need to use foodbanks, but there is a magic money tree that created 1b to keep May in power