[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Why?

What will that achieve?

Round my way people go bashing down the doors of local paedophiles!

Surely them being taxi drivers and that, an outraged and indignified local community someone would do something...but no....why?

Because not everyone is thick enough nor chavvy enough to try to engage in vigilantism?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Lies

Hmm. I've seen this post somewhere else today.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Why? Why should we have to go round cap in hand to their communities.

What will that achieve?

Well, if you don't try to fundamentally change the root of problems then the problem just continues to perpetuate itself?

Would you rather break down the doors of pedophiles forever more?

Or actually find a solution that can really reduce the potential for abuse of children to occur in the future?

Which is more valuable?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Hmm. I've seen this post somewhere else today.

No you haven't and if you think that was lies you really are dumb

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No you haven't and if you think that was lies you really are dumb

Chuff posted it earlier in another thread.

If I think what was lies? You're the one using the word.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Because not everyone is thick enough nor chavvy enough to try to engage in vigilantism?

What if it was a close relative like a daughter or little sister it had happened to..or what if say a brother had committed the crime.....would it be understandable that someone had had a lapsed moment by resorting to looking thick and chavvy...or should they not be so silly to let their raw emotions get the better of them...?

What do you think ts....should we still go into a community and integrate within that community that hide and protect these perpetratuers.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Cherie

it's a bit deeper than going around abusing teens, it an attitudinal problem that they see white girls as easy? why aren't they abusing young girls from their own community?

Spot on Cherie. It is an attitudinal and cultural problem being tolerated and excused in a country generally appalled by such behaviour all in the name of the usual nausiating and cowardly PC.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Spot on Cherie. It is an attitudinal and cultural problem being tolerated and excused in a country generally appalled by such behaviour all in the name of the usual nausiating and cowardly PC.

This is the point isn't is who made excuses for Rolf, Max et al, no one, who tried to engage them or rehabilitate them and they will be rightly shunned by society Some of those involved in the Rotherham scandal have been released and have disappeared back into their community, meanwhile the community nurse who acted as whisleblower was sacked, what a wonderful world we live in

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

This is the point isn't is who made excuses for Rolf, Max et al, no one, who tried to engage them or rehabilitate them and they will be rightly shunned by society Some of those involved in the Rotherham scandal have been released and have disappeared back into their community, meanwhile the community nurse who acted as whisleblower was sacked, what a wonderful world we live in

Who is making excuses for the criminals or talking about engaging with or rehabilitating the people who actually committed these crimes? The point is to engage with and not alienate immigrant communities so that pockets of subculture that feel above the law don't develop in the first place. I can see that some people find the entire concept very difficult to understand, so I guess therein lies the problem.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Who is making excuses for the criminals or talking about engaging with or rehabilitating the people who actually committed these crimes? The point is to engage with and not alienate immigrant communities so that pockets of subculture that feel above the law don't develop in the first place. I can see that some people find the entire concept very difficult to understand, so I guess therein lies the problem.

These are all British born men, I'm pretty sure they understand Western culture well enough, do they not know right from wrong? are they driven to do this because they are alienated, they do it because they are enabled and therein lies the problem.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What if it was a close relative like a daughter or little sister it had happened to..or what if say a brother had committed the crime.....would it be understandable that someone had had a lapsed moment by resorting to looking thick and chavvy...or should they not be so silly to let their raw emotions get the better of them...?

Thats not what you asked the first time; you stated that "round 'ere the public goes and kicks in the doors of local paedophiles!!".

I have full sympathy for victims of crime, or anyone directly related to the victims of crime, seeking retribution. That's a million miles away from a gang of random local Tommy Robinson wannabes swarming a house "Coz he's a filfy nonce it sez so in The Sun!".

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Who is making excuses for the criminals or talking about engaging with or rehabilitating the people who actually committed these crimes? The point is to engage with and not alienate immigrant communities so that pockets of subculture that feel above the law don't develop in the first place. I can see that some people find the entire concept very difficult to understand, so I guess therein lies the problem.

Disagreeing with your points/views does not equate to 'very difficult to understand'. Rather arrogant point of view in my view.

To engage is and should be a two-way process and many are simply fed up with with the onus of responsibility being dumped on those on one side of the equation all the time.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

These are all British born men, I'm pretty sure they understand Western culture well enough, do they not know right from wrong? are they driven to do this because they are alienated, they do it because they are enabled and therein lies the problem.

I didn't say they are doing it because they are alienated ffs! I'm saying the communities are alienated and that alienation shifts them out of sync with wider society, and that disconnect allows groups of disturbed and abhorrent individuals to feel that they can do whatever they want.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I didn't say they are doing it because they are alienated ffs! I'm saying the communities are alienated and that alienation shifts them out of sync with wider society, and that disconnect allows groups of disturbed and abhorrent individuals to feel that they can do whatever they want.

Its takes two to integrate, I work with a lot of Asian women and they all click together, yes they are polite and will chat in the staff room but when it comes to out of work activities they are generally not that inclusive. My sons went to predominantly Asian schools, the kids never came to our home even though they were invited and, my sons were never invited back , they don't want to integrate as they don't want inter racial marriages, I think you live in some kind of bubble up there in the Highlands in all honesty,

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Its takes two to integrate, I work with a lot of Asian women and they all click together, yes they are polite and will chat in the staff room but when it comes to out of work activities they are generally not that inclusive. My sons went to predominantly Asian schools, the kids never came to our home even though they were invited and, my sons were never invited back , they don't want to integrate as they don't want inter racial marriages, I think you live in some kind of bubble up there in the Highlands in all honesty,

Oh well then Cherie I guess you're right, it's hopeless and we shouldn't even try, blergh, yuck, dirty paedo Muslims etc.

Is this how it works? Am I doing it right? Is this helping?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh well then Cherie I guess you're right, it's hopeless and we shouldn't even try, blergh, yuck, dirty paedo Muslims etc.

Is this how it works? Am I doing it right? Is this helping?

don't be ridiculous, as usual you are trying to ridicule me, but I'm living in a multicultural, predominately Asian area and you are not so why can't you respect my perspective? lovely people mostly but they keep you at arms length, and do not want to mix, simples.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Its takes two to integrate, I work with a lot of Asian women and they all click together, yes they are polite and will chat in the staff room but when it comes to out of work activities they are generally not that inclusive. My sons went to predominantly Asian schools, the kids never came to our home even though they were invited and, my sons were never invited back , they don't want to integrate as they don't want inter racial marriages, I think you live in some kind of bubble up there in the Highlands in all honesty,

I agree and think those who say we should try are living in a bubble. The country as a whole has tried but there comes a time for personal and community responsibility from those on both sides.

If communities want to integrate they will. There is strength in numbers so I see no reason why communities that want to integrate can't. They have each other and a lot of support from both our laws and those on the left.

It is all nonsense and to keep trying to blame everyone other than those that don't want to integrate is simply diversion tactics.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

don't be ridiculous, as usual you are trying to ridicule me, but I'm living in a multicultural, predominately Asian area and you are not so why can't you respect my perspective? lovely people mostly but they keep you at arms length, and do not want to mix, simples.

And a huge part of the reason they don't want to mix is because there are certain perceptions of them, they feel under suspicion, and excluded going back generations. You're actually supporting my point rather than countering it; that even the "nice, polite, friendly" members of these communities are segregated, whether that's by themselves or not, and this is the problem that needs to be addressed.

I didn't say that they're begging to integrate or that the division is all one-sided, the reasons are totally irrelevant, it's still a problem and addressing that problem is the best (and ONLY) way to fix many of the criminal issues.

Reserving the right to "get angry and mouth off about Muslims" is counter-productive, compounds the problem, and eventually, leads to more victims.

So like I said, I guess it depends on whether you want to try to be part of the solution, or are willing to "wallow in outrage" as part of the problem .

Also as a final note; no I don't currently live in a particularly multicultural area but I have only been living in the village I'm in now for 3 years. I've moved around a lot, mostly central belt Scotland and have also lived in the north of England near Manchester. I've also never lived anywhere near "the highlands". Do you imagine that central belt Scotland has no racial diversity? . My aunt lived on a street in central Glasgow where she was legitimately the only white woman.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And a huge part of the reason they don't want to mix is because there are certain perceptions of them, they feel under suspicion, and excluded going back generations. You're actually supporting my point rather than countering it; that even the "nice, polite, friendly" members of these communities are segregated, whether that's by themselves or not, and this is the problem that needs to be addressed.

I didn't say that they're begging to integrate or that the division is all one-sided, the reasons are totally irrelevant, it's still a problem and addressing that problem is the best (and ONLY) way to fix many of the criminal issues.

Reserving the right to "get angry and mouth off about Muslims" is counter-productive, compounds the problem, and eventually, leads to more victims.

So like I said, I guess it depends on whether you want to try to be part of the solution, or are willing to "wallow in outrage" as part of the problem .

Also as a final note; no I don't currently live in a particularly multicultural area but I have only been living in the village I'm in now for 3 years. I've moved around a lot, mostly central belt Scotland and have also lived in the north of England near Manchester. I've also never lived anywhere near "the highlands". Do you imagine that central belt Scotland has no racial diversity? . My aunt lived on a street in central Glasgow where she was legitimately the only white woman.

No you really aren't getting it, again you are ridiculing me I am far from wallowing in outrage I am simply pointing out some actual facts and realities about living in a multicultural society, ask you Aunt did she ever get invited to an Asian wedding/mehndi, because i haven't, they are segregated by their culture, what is the solution? I invited an Indian friend round recently and her husband was on the phone 5 minutes after she got in the door telling her to go home to the kids, obviously his mother who lives with them was on the phone to him as he was at work, that is what we are up against, I could go on with lots of examples like people speaking in their own language in the staff room at work even though they are all English born but you don't want to hear it, and of course I know don't live in the Highlands, talk about taking stuff I say so literally again in a clear attempt to ridicule, you talk about SD not being the same your constant ridiculing of people whose opinions you feel are beneath you are more of a problem than anything else that gets posted on here.

[Cherie]

I'd also love to hear what you personally are doing to foster integration?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I'd also love to hear what you personally are doing to foster integration?

The absolute bare minimum that everyone should be doing; refusing to engage in prejudice and the "subtle" blame-language used by hateful individuals, and calling it out when I see it.

I'm not saying that everyone should be out organising mixers to promote integration, I'm just saying at the very least, don't promote division? "But they're doing it too" isn't really a good enough reason?

As for the longer post above - no one is ridiculing you, Cherie, I don't particularly like being accused of it, so if you can't debate without taking criticism as a personal slight, or sureness of opinion as "a superiority complex", then I have no real interest in debating further with you.

I'm sure we can still chat in other sections .

[Cherie]

you are ridiculing me with posts like this

Oh well then Cherie I guess you're right, it's hopeless and we shouldn't even try, blergh, yuck, dirty paedo Muslims etc.

and making out I have some anti muslim agenda where nothing could be further from the truth, I don't care who lives next to me as long as they are a decent neighbour, but at the same time I won't shy away from confronting things that happen within a culture for fear of being seen as racist, and i wont pretend things aren't happening that I see right before my eyes to preserve the status quo, I don't give two figs whether you debate with me or not but stop trying to paint me as something I am not just to justify your position.

[Alf]

Cherie, you should try taking negative about Christians and Jesus Christ, they'll all be on your side then.

Or talk negatively about the Royal Family and the Royalists, and they'll all be your best friend and join in with you.

But Islam is a no go. It's top of the league in the prejudice hierarchy (at the moment). It trumps every other.

Trump and his supporters are fair game for a bashing, try that one.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Alf

Cherie, you should try taking negative about Christians and Jesus Christ, they'll all be on your side then.

Or talk negatively about the Royal Family and the Royalists, and they'll all be your best friend and join in with you.

But Islam is a no go. It's top of the league in the prejudice hierarchy (at the moment). It trumps every other.

Trump and his supporters are fair game for a bashing, try that one.

'Prejudice hierarchy' is correct - indeed the latest PC fad. To treat one religion as above criticism is madness and should never be condoned. I for one will never bow down to such PC nonsence. If something is worthy of criticism then it must be challenged.