[Jamie89]

Like I said I wasn't trying to start a debate about the pronouns it was just a suggestion to make things a bit less confusing that's all, my main point is the stuff I posted about the competence of the person carrying out the role.

[Vicky.]

And gender identity is utter bollocks. People can not 'feel male' or 'feel female'. They just are male or female. One can have absolutely no idea of how the other 'feels' anymore than a human can know how a donkey feels. They may be feminine or masculine, neither of which has anything to do with sex really.

Though as an athiest, I don't believe in souls anyway. So don't believe any of the 'born in the wrong body' stuff anyway. Which is lucky as 'born in the wrong body' is transphobic these days anyways As are most beliefs that differ in any way from from 'transwomen are female and transmen are male' and 'biology is irrelevant'

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

And gender identity is utter bollocks. People can not 'feel male' or 'feel female'. They just are male or female. One can have absolutely no idea of how the other 'feels' anymore than a human can know how a donkey feels. They may be feminine or masculine, neither of which has anything to do with sex really.

My point with mentioning gender identity though was that it isn't a factor in any of this because although Lily has an opposing view to yours, that view doesn't conflict with the responsibilities of this role?

[Vicky.]

Part of the role, is to sort out womens issues. Not just recruit women to the party.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Part of the role, is to sort out womens issues. Not just recruit women to the party.

The only thing I really have to go on is the link I posted before so I'm not really sure what this pertains to?

[Vicky.]

Just realised, your link specificaly states 'The women’s officer must be a woman.'

[Vicky.]

Also they were not elected by the general public, and it looks increasingly like they won because they were a Momentum member.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

They helped to get a previous womens officer removed for 'transphobia' (officially the person resigned, but after a huge smear campaign against her). The transphobia was basically saying that female people have different life experiences to male people and have different needs. Being gender critical and thinking that men are not women is not transphobia.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/l...1c343ae147a9a9


They have now been elected into the same position that they got an actual female sacked from. Despite being a 19 year old male person.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...f6558d7a1be5ba



Feminist indeed. Removing a female from their position for looking out for the rights of females, and taking a job thats meant to be for ****ing females when actually male. Yes, saying we are 'limited' by our biology is wrong as being male or female does not stop one doing what they wish to do on the whole, or dressing how they want to dress. This does not mean biology is irrelevant and males are females, or vice versa. Its not anti-feminist to point out that males and females have their own separate issues that do not affect the other group. And that sex is relevant in many areas of life.

Misogynistic prick too by all accounts. Here is one of his youtube videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6N_bv3BMgA&app=desktop

Being a woman is all about makeup and pretty things, yet again basically. Nothing to do with, you know, being female Females are just hysterical and transphobic for not wanting people with dicks in the loos, changing rooms and such. As you know, having a dick does not mean one is not female (save the intersex replies please, its incredibly rare and nothing to do with trans)

Labour are dangerous close to losing my vote over this issue. Not just this appointment but a general view of this topic. I know Labour are liberal by nature. But they genuinely seem to not be able to see that this ideology is both misogynistic and homophobic overall

At least Jess Phillips seems to get it. I am hoping she can convince the rest of the MPs
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_...nder-bill?pg=1

Check the replies to jess' tweet. Death threats galore. And a cult-like chant of 'transwomen ARE women'. Bull. Woman is an adult human female, and I am sick of trying to be polite on this matter tbh.

https://twitter.com/jessphillips/sta...93574011191296

Cannot believe only the times dare to report on this. Its pathetic really.

Utter rubbish. People can keep Corbyn’s crazy labour ideology. The prospect of a government like that getting into power is madness - full of total crackpots.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

to be fair, he is more qualified for the role than Dianne Abbot is for hers

A sexist comment followed by the obligatory joker .....oy vey.

[Cherie]

This is quite a read, apart from anything else is a 19 year old whatever sex they are qualified to hold this office, you would have thought some life experience would be required for this post?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Abortion

Misogyny

Pay gap
Menstrual health
FGM
Pregnancy
Miscarriage
Stillbirth
Childbirth
Breastfeeding
Hysterectomy



Not the Truth's Google searches finally being released under the freedom of information act?

I've re-ordered it. Now it's a to do list. ... ....

[joeysteele]

Personally my view is that if I wished to know anything as to things concerning only and affecting women Then I'd ask women.

So for me this is an unwise appointment even moreso as to the age too.

As to crackpots however to the generalisation of fit to govern.
I would say the UK has a great number of likely crackpots already governing it now.

For me this appointment is unwise however

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Just realised, your link specificaly states 'The women’s officer must be a woman.'

Sounds logical to me.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

A sexist comment followed by the obligatory joker .....oy vey.

A little cultural misappropriation there. I'll overlook it for the sake of the thread, though.

I have known several Women's Officers in various jobs. I have never met one who is male. It's hilarious really. I mean, think of the face of the average 19 year old male when the conversation gets around to menstruation. I can't see him joining in the conversation, really. More hilarious that there are posts in this thread claiming he might have been "the right person for the job".

[user104658]

Surely even if you take gender out of the equation entirely... it's ridiculous to think that ANY 19 year old is qualified for this position . I would at least very much hope that very few 19 year old females have the sort of life experience required to tackle this role??

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Surely even if you take gender out of the equation entirely... it's ridiculous to think that ANY 19 year old is qualified for this position . I would at least very much hope that very few 19 year old females have the sort of life experience required to tackle this role??

Yes exactly. Seems more like Politicians doing it to be "right on" more than because this person was best for the job. Like Vicky said how can they be right for the job when they don't even believe basic biology is relevant?

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Surely even if you take gender out of the equation entirely... it's ridiculous to think that ANY 19 year old is qualified for this position . I would at least very much hope that very few 19 year old females have the sort of life experience required to tackle this role??

Indeed.
Any 19 year old that understands the menopause is a ruddy genius, never mind a young lad.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Indeed.
Any 19 year old that understands the menopause is a ruddy genius, never mind a young lad.

No one understands the menopause, it's an urban legend.

[bots]

it just spells out how little regard the people who appointed him have for the role. It says more about them than anything else

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it just spells out how little regard the people who appointed him have for the role. It says more about them than anything else

Well exactly, even if it is open to all, it should surely go to someone with a wealth of political experience and who has demonstrated over many years that they understand the role and the issues that need to be tackled within that role. Handing any political position to someone straight out of school, or even straight out of University, has to be a massive misstep?

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well exactly, even if it is open to all, it should surely go to someone with a wealth of political experience and who has demonstrated over many years that they understand the role and the issues that need to be tackled within that role. Handing any political position to someone straight out of school, or even straight out of University, has to be a massive misstep?

*cough* keeping the voters happy in this case.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

A 19 year old boy representing womens needs ...................oy vey

Its a Ex -Boy

Now Woman..........................................

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

Its a Ex -Boy

Now Woman..........................................

Male transwoman*

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

Its a Ex -Boy

Now Woman..........................................

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Male transwoman*

This.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Livia

A little cultural misappropriation there. I'll overlook it for the sake of the thread, though.

I have known several Women's Officers in various jobs. I have never met one who is male. It's hilarious really. I mean, think of the face of the average 19 year old male when the conversation gets around to menstruation. I can't see him joining in the conversation, really. More hilarious that there are posts in this thread claiming he might have been "the right person for the job".

Why is that hilarious? This thread is about somebody's job role and people don't seem to want to discuss what the actual role will involve and what education and training and experience Lily might have in relation to that. Yes 19 seems really young, and someone who isn't biologically a woman taking on a womans role of course sounds bizarre on the face of it. But can we not look at it any deeper that? People are bringing up things like menstruation/womens rights and issues/things that can only affect a biological female and stating that the person in this role needs to have first hand experience of these things, but I haven't seen anything that relates to womens rights and womens personal issues in the actual role description, and surely that should be the center of what this debate is about? I find it bizarre that that is being ignored and replaced with issues that from what I've read don't seem to factor into the role, and that people who want to actually consider and discuss those things should be mocked for it? That when discussing someone's job role the idea that they might be competent at it is something that shouldn't even be considered because on the surface it seems unusual, and that because it hasn't happened before it's something that should never happen.