[smudgie]

Who knew...Maggie could be so bitter.
It's a chuffing reality game show, she will still have been paid so no need for the foot stamping.

[GoldHeart]

What on Earth ?!!! what's Ann got to do with the Rochdale abuse?!. Shouldn't the topic be about blaming Ann for Maggie being evicted seen as she put her up for eviction.

[AnnieK]

If Maggie felt so strongly about it she should have pressed Ann for answers, she was a copper....they know how to interrogate and interview people. Whatever her reasons for only bringing it up now, she had plenty of opportunity. What she did in Rochdale was amazing, no doubt about that and there were plenty of government and department al **** ups but a reality show is not the place to air those grievances for a multitude of reasons

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

If Maggie felt so strongly about it she should have pressed Ann for answers, she was a copper....they know how to interrogate and interview people. Whatever her reasons for only bringing it up now, she had plenty of opportunity. What she did in Rochdale was amazing, no doubt about that and there were plenty of government and department al **** ups but a reality show is not the place to air those grievances for a multitude of reasons

Omg !!! did Maggie kick off then?? . I'm surprised it wasn't a heated debate in the house between her and Ann ,but as usual nobody says anything to Ann's face .

Maybe she's more upset about Ann nominating her and her anger has gone towards Ann's politics as well .

But the Rochdale abuse scandal has nothing to do with CBB , so seems weird that she'd choose to bring it up .

[JerseyWins]

Maggie

Irrelevant and then she comes out with that wtf

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Maggie

Irrelevant and then she comes out with that wtf

It makes me wish she spoke with Ann though . Everyone gets courage when they're not around Ann anymore.

I can understand wanting an easy life in the house with peace and quiet,but this all seems strange now . Why didn't Maggie get this off her chest whilst in the house.

[JerseyWins]

Yeah that would've been good to see how it would've played out in the house.

Maybe it's in the next episode before they re-show the eviction?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Yeah that would've been good to see how it would've played out in the house.

Maybe it's in the next episode before they re-show the eviction?

I doubt it

[poppsywoppsy]

I only just watched BBBOTS and turned it off after Maggie's unfairness at Ann.

Perhaps Ann did not think CBB was the place to discuss the Rochdale happenings.

Why did Maggie not bring it up with Ann if she had these questions and gave Ann a chance to answer?

If Ann hadn't nominated Maggie, would she still be accusing Ann?

Ann might have been under orders from her superiors not to comment at the time. She was Shadow Home Secretary, not THE Home Secretary.

It smacks of sour grapes from Maggie because Ann reasonings were disagreeable to her and shows an irrational side to Maggie not seen before.

Also Ann does not sit easily with sexual matters being discussed in public, it just might be another reason for her reticence.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Yes, she is completely to blame and should be held fully accountable

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I only just watched BBBOTS and turned it off after Maggie's unfairness at Ann.

Perhaps Ann did not think CBB was the place to discuss the Rochdale happenings.

Why did Maggie not bring it up with Ann if she had these questions and gave Ann a chance to answer?

If Ann hadn't nominated Maggie, would she still be accusing Ann?

Ann might have been under orders from her superiors not to comment at the time. She was Shadow Home Secretary, not THE Home Secretary.

It smacks of sour grapes from Maggie because Ann reasonings were disagreeable to her and shows an irrational side to Maggie not seen before.

Also Ann does not sit easily with sexual matters being discussed in public, it just might be another reason for her reticence.

You've made good points.

But I think if Maggie quietly sat somewhere with Ann and just asked her about it she would of answered,Ann has talked about loads of stuff she doesn't like.

She even talked about prison abuse briefly . And that was with a few people in the discussion.

And we know Maggie isn't quiet as in the first week she piped up about religion when Ann said she was Catholic and they both clashed a bit .

I think maybe Maggie is mostly upset about being nominated,and Ann could of had a better excuse , why single Maggie out for laughing at the men ?? When all the women were laughing EXCEPT for Ann herself who was cringing .

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

So it wasn't Ann's responsibility to do anything about it, but could she have done something about it? Genuine question, I'm not sure about much of this tbh, and that seems to be what Maggie was getting at... she's just stated on BOTS with some certainty that Ann could have done something to stop it.

Honestly Jamie,I don't get why Maggie seems to hold Ann responsible.
Ann was a shadow Home Secretary but the Cons were thrown out in 1997.

Ann wasn't MP for Rochdale,she represented a Southern seat.
She was in the shadow cabinet.
As Diane Abbott is now,who takes much notice of what Diane says now.

Labour were in power when this came about,for me it is Labour's Home Secretary of the time to be held account for it.

It may be Maggie doesn't care for Ann,Ann was a stern uncompromising Home secretary when in govt up to 1997.
That was well before this scandal however.

Goodness me,I love an opportunity to get at the Conservatives but it's only fair to lay blame for things going wrong in their time and not for things they would likely have no influence on.
In answer to your question,I doubt anyone would have listened to Ann or any other Conservative on this one.
So no,I cannot see how Ann could have done much at all,if anything since she and her Party were out,and well out of power at the time.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Riley.

Well should she? Maggie implies Ann could’ve done something about it. Maybe she hates Maggie out of guilt.

No she was
not aware of it

Maggie should have asked her for Ann's view?

[arista]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Who knew...Maggie could be so bitter.
It's a chuffing reality game show, she will still have been paid so no need for the foot stamping.

From former Police Top Lady
Angry at Ann's former job.

But Maggie should have asked her outright..................

[Withano]

Ann directly, no. All MP's collectively, in part yes. But I'd say Maggie was being too harsh.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Honestly Jamie,I don't get why Maggie seems to hold Ann responsible.
Ann was a shadow Home Secretary but the Cons were thrown out in 1997.

Ann wasn't MP for Rochdale,she represented a Southern seat.
She was in the shadow cabinet.
As Diane Abbott is now,who takes much notice of what Diane says now.

Labour were in power when this came about,for me it is Labour's Home Secretary of the time to be held account for it.

It may be Maggie doesn't care for Ann,Ann was a stern uncompromising Home secretary when in govt up to 1997.
That was well before this scandal however.

Goodness me,I love an opportunity to get at the Conservatives but it's only fair to lay blame for things going wrong in their time and not for things they would likely have no influence on.
In answer to your question,I doubt anyone would have listened to Ann or any other Conservative on this one.
So no,I cannot see how Ann could have done much at all,if anything since she and her Party were out,and well out of power at the time.

Thanks for clarifying that Joey,I really think it's a low blow from Maggie,I know what Maggie did was commendable,but it was her job and nothing at all to do with CBB,seems she is more bitter at her nom than I thought.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

You've made good points.

But I think if Maggie quietly sat somewhere with Ann and just asked her about it she would of answered,Ann has talked about loads of stuff she doesn't like.

She even talked about prison abuse briefly . And that was with a few people in the discussion.

And we know Maggie isn't quiet as in the first week she piped up about religion when Ann said she was Catholic and they both clashed a bit .

I think maybe Maggie is mostly upset about being nominated,and Ann could of had a better excuse , why single Maggie out for laughing at the men ?? When all the women were laughing EXCEPT for Ann herself who was cringing .

Yes, to the last paragraph, it could have been gameplaying on Ann's behalf as much as she said it wasn't personal.

Jess was the main culprit if you look at it as a reason for nomination.

Maggie seemed to bring a lot of anger into CBB, against those she deems responsible for ignoring the Rochdale abuses, rightly so but was it the right topic for a light entertainment reality show?

Yes, she was brought into the house, in the Year of the Woman because of it but to expect others had to discuss it with her and if not blamed because they were a politician at the time, is a bit rich.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Honestly Jamie,I don't get why Maggie seems to hold Ann responsible.
Ann was a shadow Home Secretary but the Cons were thrown out in 1997.

Ann wasn't MP for Rochdale,she represented a Southern seat.
She was in the shadow cabinet.
As Diane Abbott is now,who takes much notice of what Diane says now.

Labour were in power when this came about,for me it is Labour's Home Secretary of the time to be held account for it.

It may be Maggie doesn't care for Ann,Ann was a stern uncompromising Home secretary when in govt up to 1997.
That was well before this scandal however.

Goodness me,I love an opportunity to get at the Conservatives but it's only fair to lay blame for things going wrong in their time and not for things they would likely have no influence on.
In answer to your question,I doubt anyone would have listened to Ann or any other Conservative on this one.
So no,I cannot see how Ann could have done much at all,if anything since she and her Party were out,and well out of power at the time.

Thanks Joey that makes a lot of sense. I suppose Maggie is probably laying blame with government in general and Ann just happens to be the closest thing to a 'representative' of them in the house hence why Maggie is talking about her specifically, but yeah it would be pretty unfair for her to actually be blamed for any of it.

[jaxie]

A few facts. The Rochdale grooming case first came to light investigation wise in 2008 but Manchester police failed to investigate them properly for which they have apologised and it wasn't until 2012 and 2015 that there were convictions.

Ann was home secretary between 1995 and 1997. She was minister for prisons so was involved more in prisoners after conviction. She did not hold any government office after this, except in shadow as Labour were in power and was a regular back bench MP from 2001 until 2010 when she retired completely.

I like Ann as a housemate and think she is fascinating to watch. I feel she is being quite unfairly tarnished in this instance. I feel a bit sorry for her in regard never having had the opportunity to have children or love as she would have wished but as an atheist I hardly share her views which are mostly based on her religious beliefs.

Though in some cases I understand her argument and think the intention is sometimes misunderstood.

Like when she said with regard an equal age of consent for homosexuals: "I do not believe that issues of equality should override the imperatives of protecting the young." I don't agree but I can see where she is coming from.

After the murder of the two ten year olds from Soham in 2002 Ann spoke of her support for reintroducing the death penalty in cases of murder as it might be a deterrent. I think many people feel hanging wouldn't be a bad idea for child murderers. Within five years of the death penalty being abolished, the amount of murders doubled.

Apart from fox hunting, she has my support that she was a strong advocate for banning it.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Riley.

Well you would think she would’ve asked Maggie about it but she doesn’t want to draw attention to it because she knows she would face hot fire

Ann probably knows alllll about it. And blaming one solitary MP is ridiculous. You can't blame the police exclusively, you can't blame the lily-livered council exclusively... no one person or set of people were to blame it was a series of unforgivable failings by a series of agencies.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Ann probably knows alllll about it. And blaming one solitary MP is ridiculous. You can't blame the police exclusively, you can't blame the lily-livered council exclusively... no one person or set of people were to blame it was a series of unforgivable failings by a series of agencies.

I'm not saying she should be blamed, I'm saying can Maggie say it. And Ann probably does know about it but totally ignoring Maggie and not showing any interest in her work as a public police officer as Ann herself held public office just seems really odd to me.

[jaxie]

I am actually wondering if Maggie could face libel over what she said.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Riley.

I'm not saying she should be blamed, I'm saying can Maggie say it. And Ann probably does know about it but totally ignoring Maggie and not showing any interest in her work as a public police officer as Ann herself held public office just seems really odd to me.

Anne is restricted in what she can say by the official secrets act. She cant spout forth on any old topic. Also BB is hardly the platform to discuss such things

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

So it wasn't Ann's responsibility to do anything about it, but could she have done something about it? Genuine question, I'm not sure about much of this tbh, and that seems to be what Maggie was getting at... she's just stated on BOTS with some certainty that Ann could have done something to stop it.

What could she have done? She was not in a position of power... BUT there were PLENTY of MPs, 650 of them, actually sitting in the House at the time, from a variety of parties... Why aren't any of them to blame?

Honestly, this is one of the silliest discussions on here for a long time.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Riley.

I'm not saying she should be blamed, I'm saying can Maggie say it. And Ann probably does know about it but totally ignoring Maggie and not showing any interest in her work as a public police officer as Ann herself held public office just seems really odd to me.

Ann is in CBB a game show why do they need to air private stuff like that,there could be many reasons it wasn't mentioned and as someone said if it pissed Maggie off that much why didn't she mention it to Ann ? sorry but I just think this is sour grapes.on Maggies part