[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

Only Brillo wasn't baiting. Your first post on here was baiting with 'So Brillo then' before she even got here, which she ignored. Brillo's first post was reasonable and the first one to respond to it was Withano. Those are the facts and it is typical of what usually happens.

I didn't say Brillo was baiting, Brillo doesn't really bait. LT was baiting. LT is usually baiting but for some reason we love him anyway .

I was probably baiting a bit with my first post but it's relevant to the thread and it's in the spirit of calling a spade a spade. Brillo is an old member who was banned under another username and came back but it gets consistently glossed over (both by staff and by Brillo herself who, to my knowledge, has never even outright confirmed it even though its fairly common knowledge) - which is what the thread was about. People like to skirt around things because of the whole "don't talk about other members" thing and it gets boring.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I didn't say Brillo was baiting, Brillo doesn't really bait. LT was baiting. LT is usually baiting but for some reason we love him anyway .

I was probably baiting a bit with my first post but it's relevant to the thread and it's in the spirit of calling a spade a spade. Brillo is an old member who was banned under another username and came back but it gets consistently glossed over (both by staff and by Brillo herself who, to my knowledge, has never even outright confirmed it even though its fairly common knowledge) - which is what the thread was about. People like to skirt around things because of the whole "don't talk about other members" thing and it gets boring.

But why does it matter and why does it have to be confirmed? I don't get it.

[Withano]

If you guys want serious debates to be, ignoring the OP and patting each other on the back and talking about the injustices you think you face every single day, then sure, continue I guess.

I'll continue to remind you to talk about the OP if you dont mind cos I do quite like the subforum, I'll just be less persistent next time. There seems to be a quite firm gang who just dont enjoy discussion, unless they change it about themselves or other forum members. Its kinda tragic.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

If you guys want serious debates to be, ignoring the OP and patting each other on the back and talking about the injustices you think you face every single day, then sure, continue I guess.

I'll continue to remind you to talk about the OP if you dont mind cos I do quite like the subforum, I'll just be less persistent next time. There seems to be a quite firm gang who just dont enjoy discussion, unless they change it about themselves or other forum members. Its kinda tragic.

Talking of gangs - what about those that dish it out but can't take it back and then try to play the innocent and accuse others who aren't afraid to point out what they see as inappropriate behaviour as 'gangs'. It takes one to know one. Another fail. Digging a bigger hole than ever now. Now that is TRAGIC.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Withano

If you guys want serious debates to be, ignoring the OP and patting each other on the back and talking about the injustices you think you face every single day, then sure, continue I guess.

I'll continue to remind you to talk about the OP if you dont mind cos I do quite like the subforum, I'll just be less persistent next time. There seems to be a quite firm gang who just dont enjoy discussion, unless they change it about themselves or other forum members. Its kinda tragic.

Way to twist things Withano, I am not part of a gang,how childish,I am probably just part of a group of people who can see that sometimes ,some posters are treated quite harshly, I would be the same if someone was doing it to you,we all have faults,no harm in admitting it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Way to twist things Withano, I am not part of a gang,how childish,I am probably just part of a group of people who can see that sometimes ,some posters are treated quite harshly, I would be the same if someone was doing it to you,we all have faults,no harm in admitting it.

100 per cent

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Ok.

Right i have been here nearly nine years...in the past ive been accused of trolling and the likes...

Still here though....however!

I am a bit suspicious of people being banned parmniontly but managing to make another account or people managing to make accounts for off season or on season.....


Whats folks views on this?

What exactly are you suspicious of and how does it affect your use of the forum?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What exactly are you suspicious of and how does it affect your use of the forum?

It annoys me that an obvious multi or pre banned member can come back on...hide behind a new name...then insult members posts they didnt get on with in the first place....it happened to me i think and it makes you feel like the forum is against you..when infact its just someone who shouldnt even be here.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It annoys me that an obvious multi or pre banned member can come back on...hide behind a new name...then insult members posts they didnt get on with in the first place....it happened to me i think and it makes you feel like the forum is against you..when infact its just someone who shouldnt even be here.

I don't know which member you're talking about Parmnion but have you reported them or PMd a mod or admin with your suspicions that they might be a multi?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't know which member you're talking about Parmnion but have you reported them or PMd a mod or admin with your suspicions that they might be a multi?

No..im not feeling hard done by from the mods today so ive let them be.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It annoys me that an obvious multi or pre banned member can come back on...hide behind a new name...then insult members posts they didnt get on with in the first place....it happened to me i think and it makes you feel like the forum is against you..when infact its just someone who shouldnt even be here.

I get you now

[Jack_]

I don't actually care about banned members returning, but I do have a problem with them pretending to be new members and not acknowledging who they actually are. That IS baiting, and I think the mods should enforce a rule that if you want to return you're not allowed to lie, so that everything is completely transparent.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't actually care about banned members returning, but I do have a problem with them pretending to be new members and not acknowledging who they actually are. That IS baiting, and I think the mods should enforce a rule that if you want to return you're not allowed to lie, so that everything is completely transparent.

Some people probably just want a fresh start and has anyone lied about who they are just lately? If they have I must have missed it, but if you didn't like that person,if they said who they are people would automatically dislike them again whether they had changed or not ,so I'm not so sure,I mean most of our usernames are not actually who we are. I don't mind anyone returning either.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't actually care about banned members returning, but I do have a problem with them pretending to be new members and not acknowledging who they actually are. That IS baiting, and I think the mods should enforce a rule that if you want to return you're not allowed to lie, so that everything is completely transparent.

Did someone lie then - do you know something we don't know.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't actually care about banned members returning, but I do have a problem with them pretending to be new members and not acknowledging who they actually are. That IS baiting, and I think the mods should enforce a rule that if you want to return you're not allowed to lie, so that everything is completely transparent.

I think it should be on a case by case basis rather than blanket saying who they are. Otherwise, old resentments could surface immediately if there are members who remember them from before they were banned. People change and grow up but if they have to admit who they are immediately then they will not be able to demonstrate they have moved on.

Not quite sure why it is baiting if they try and remain anonymous

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Some people probably just want a fresh start and has anyone lied about who they are just lately? If they have I must have missed it, but if you didn't like that person,if they said who they are people would automatically dislike them again whether they had changed or not ,so I'm not so sure,I mean most of our usernames are not actually who we are. I don't mind anyone returning either.

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I think it should be on a case by case basis rather than blanket saying who they are. Otherwise, old resentments could surface immediately if there are members who remember them from before they were banned. People change and grow up but if they have to admit who they are immediately then they will not be able to demonstrate they have moved on.

Not quite sure why it is baiting if they try and remain anonymous

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[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Some people probably just want a fresh start and has anyone lied about who they are just lately? If they have I must have missed it, but if you didn't like that person,if they said who they are people would automatically dislike them again whether they had changed or not ,so I'm not so sure,I mean most of our usernames are not actually who we are. I don't mind anyone returning either.

Yes.

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I think it should be on a case by case basis rather than blanket saying who they are. Otherwise, old resentments could surface immediately if there are members who remember them from before they were banned. People change and grow up but if they have to admit who they are immediately then they will not be able to demonstrate they have moved on.

Not quite sure why it is baiting if they try and remain anonymous

I do understand the arguments in bold, but I'm not sure I agree. If anything, people having to admit to or use their old usernames would be able to prove they've changed even more so than if they weren't. If you knew it was them, and you could see they were changing, that seems a lot better to me in demonstrating someone's moved on than pretending they don't have a clue what you're on about. Stacey for example I don't think has ever denied she's back on the forum, but she has been remorseful and I'm sure most people would agree, has integrated herself well again.

It's baiting because if everybody knows which previously banned member you are and you continue to pretend otherwise, that is undoubtedly going to rub people up the wrong way - particularly if there's ill feeling there. If you just went 'yeah, it's me, sorry for what happened before, hopefully I can prove I've changed' then I'm sure many people (maybe some through gritted teeth) would be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I don't think lying helps anyone.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes.



I do understand the arguments in bold, but I'm not sure I agree. If anything, people having to admit to or use their old usernames would be able to prove they've changed even more so than if they weren't. If you knew it was them, and you could see they were changing, that seems a lot better to me in demonstrating someone's moved on than pretending they don't have a clue what you're on about. Stacey for example I don't think has ever denied she's back on the forum, but she has been remorseful and I'm sure most people would agree, has integrated herself well again.

It's baiting because if everybody knows which previously banned member you are and you continue to pretend otherwise, that is undoubtedly going to rub people up the wrong way - particularly if there's ill feeling there. If you just went 'yeah, it's me, sorry for what happened before, hopefully I can prove I've changed' then I'm sure many people (maybe some through gritted teeth) would be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I don't think lying helps anyone.

That assumes they were banned fairly in the first place and that other posters had no part to play in that who may not have been honest about their role in the issues. That would be no surprise.

Not everyone who has actually been banned necessarily was the guilty, or only guilty party. We are not always dealing with honest and reasonable people on this site and those who escaped a ban for whatever reason are never going to admit to their own bad behaviour. All these assumptions get on my wick as people seem to have no clue as to what some posters on here can be like.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't actually care about banned members returning, but I do have a problem with them pretending to be new members and not acknowledging who they actually are. That IS baiting, and I think the mods should enforce a rule that if you want to return you're not allowed to lie, so that everything is completely transparent.

Jack said it better cherie.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Ok.

Right i have been here nearly nine years...in the past ive been accused of trolling and the likes...

Still here though....however!

I am a bit suspicious of people being banned parmniontly but managing to make another account or people managing to make accounts for off season or on season.....


Whats folks views on this?

The thing is people don't get permanently banned anymore (I think I'm right in saying that) so it's not really as much of an issue as it might be otherwise. And like Withano said, if a multi starts causing trouble they'll just be banned again. So I don't have a problem with it personally. Then again I've never been personally targeted by anyone on here so I can understand why other people might have a problem with it depending on who the multi is.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

The thing is people don't get permanently banned anymore (I think I'm right in saying that) so it's not really as much of an issue as it might be otherwise. And like Withano said, if a multi starts causing trouble they'll just be banned again. So I don't have a problem with it personally. Then again I've never been personally targeted by anyone on here so I can understand why other people might have a problem with it depending on who the multi is.

The Truth got permanently banned not long ago, but that whole situation is a total mess and does include a large element of mod bias. In my opinion. I know they have their own justifications for it, but it is what it is.

[Jamie89]

Also, there's always the ignore function, so if there's someone on the forum who people would like to be banned but they aren't going to be, ban them yourself

[smudgie]

I sometimes wonder if someone who is new is actually somebody else, not someone banned, just someone that has been here a good while then wants to go incognito for some reason.
Same style of posting, knows too much about other members views etc yet only been here for a week or two.
They are very transparent or I am far too paranoid and need more meds.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I sometimes wonder if someone who is new is actually somebody else, not someone banned, just someone that has been here a good while then wants to go incognito for some reason.
Same style of posting, knows too much about other members views etc yet only been here for a week or two.
They are very transparent or I am far too paranoid and need more meds.

This is what enspired the thread.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I refuse to be a mere baiter

i demand to be a WUM, Troll AND a baiter

the holy trinity of forum scum like wot i is