[Livia]

My brother was stopped and searched countless times when we were younger and living in London. He never once asked "is it because I'm Jewish?". The fact is that knife crime and other violent crimes are, in a lot of cases, black on black crime.

I'd like to see more black police officers and more accountability from the families of underage young people caught up in this kind of life. Everyone gets blamed, the government, the police... but never the parents or parent that is responsible for their child till they're 18.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

My brother was stopped and searched countless times when we were younger and living in London. He never once asked "is it because I'm Jewish?". The fact is that knife crime and other violent crimes are, in a lot of cases, black on black crime.

I'd like to see more black police officers and more accountability from the families of underage young people caught up in this kind of life. Everyone gets blamed, the government, the police... but never the parents or parent that is responsible for their child till they're 18.

It annoys me when everyone gets blamed other than the culprits themselves,when they are found to be carrying weapons they should be given more than a slap on the wrist,and their parents brought to book too.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Livia

My brother was stopped and searched countless times when we were younger and living in London. He never once asked "is it because I'm Jewish?". The fact is that knife crime and other violent crimes are, in a lot of cases, black on black crime.

I'd like to see more black police officers and more accountability from the families of underage young people caught up in this kind of life. Everyone gets blamed, the government, the police... but never the parents or parent that is responsible for their child till they're 18.

Completely agree. Taking personal responsibility for you and yours instead of trying to blame others all the time is commendable. Get fed-up with those constantly blaming everyone but themselves.

[Withano]

Lets be real though, theres a very direct link between recent police budget cuts, and the recent increased knife crime. You guys are looking too far for a solution, sometimes, it really is the obvious one.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Lets be real though, theres a very direct link between recent police budget cuts, and the recent increased knife crime. You guys are looking too far for a solution, sometimes, it really is the obvious one.

Yeah the obvious one to most is the attitudes of those that carry and use them. They are ultimately to blame.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Yeah the obvious one to most is the attitudes of those that carry and use them. They are ultimately to blame.

I have no idea how this is supposed to make sense sorry.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Withano

I have no idea how this is supposed to make sense sorry.

You obvioysly think brillo means the blacks.....


I think they mean the gangs and the scum that carry knives.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You obvioysly think brillo means the blacks.....


I think they mean the gangs and the scum that carry knives.

I meant anyone who carries a knife with the intention of using it.

[Parmy]

Oh they will riot in the end, rather than address the issues closer to home.

[Livia]

Don't stop and search anyone then. Let them all stab each other. Is that your answer, TS? Pussyfoot around while young people are cutting holes in each other.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Don't stop and search anyone then. Let them all stab each other. Is that your answer, TS? Pussyfoot around while young people are cutting holes in each other.

No, stop and search people if there is good reason to do so, such as indication that something is being concealed, a tip off, or other suspicious behavior, just like pulling over a car. As I've already said three or four times on this thread.

Will we put cameras in your living room too, Livia?

[chuff me dizzy]

Top and bottom of it all is the police are too scared of being called racist ,so they've got sloppy ,time to toughen up, and seeing as most of these stabbings are being done by black youths with covered faces ,its THEM the police must target and if the do gooders moan then so be it

[Livia]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Top and bottom of it all is the police are too scared of being called racist ,so they've got sloppy ,time to toughen up, and seeing as most of these stabbings are being done by black youths with covered faces ,its THEM the police must target and if the do gooders moan then so be it

I agree. And many of the people who called for an end to stop and search are the same people now saying it should be widened. And if the black community is being targeted, well, the fact is that it is mostly black people who are stabbing each other.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I agree. And many of the people who called for an end to stop and search are the same people now saying it should be widened. And if the black community is being targeted, well, the fact is that it is mostly black people who are stabbing each other.

Yes thats spot on

[user104658]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Top and bottom of it all is the police are too scared of being called racist ,so they've got sloppy ,time to toughen up, and seeing as most of these stabbings are being done by black youths with covered faces ,its THEM the police must target and if the do gooders moan then so be it

If someone is behaving suspiciously / covering their face / clearly concealing something then by all means, treat that person with suspicion, no matter who they are or what colour they are. Perhaps police are stand-offish if it then seems like they're targeting a disproportionate number of one group, worried of being accused of racial profiling even if they are not.

But that doesn't translate into "Just search more people at random, especially black kids!" if there's no indication that there's a good reason to do so?

The racial profiling of people who are doing nothing but minding their own business is a very real problem, and it LEADS to even bigger problems. Pretending that this isn't the case is just stubborn and dangerous.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Top and bottom of it all is the police are too scared of being called racist ,so they've got sloppy ,time to toughen up, and seeing as most of these stabbings are being done by black youths with covered faces ,its THEM the police must target and if the do gooders moan then so be it

Yay! Racial profiling!

It's very easy to be for Stop and Search when you're white and won't be affected by it. It's incredibly easy to preach the restrictions of people's right to freedom and privacy when it's not your own rights at risk.

It's bad enough to throw away your rights for a false sense of freedom but to endorse throwing away rights of an entire race just because of prejudice is a whole other level. It's completely and utterly wrong.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yay! Racial profiling!

It's very easy to be for Stop and Search when you're white and won't be affected by it. It's incredibly easy to preach the restrictions of people's right to freedom and privacy when it's not your own rights at risk.

It's bad enough to throw away your rights for a false sense of freedom but to endorse throwing away rights of an entire race just because of prejudice is a whole other level. It's completely and utterly wrong.

An entire race..just what is your game?


You know as well as i do that old helena or comfort wont be getting stopped in her way back from sainsburys...niether will suited up desmond on his way to and from work....

The people who will will be riding mopeds..or hanging about in small gangs all hooded up.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No, stop and search people if there is good reason to do so, such as indication that something is being concealed, a tip off, or other suspicious behavior, just like pulling over a car. As I've already said three or four times on this thread.

Will we put cameras in your living room too, Livia?

What the hell has that got to do with anything?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

What the hell has that got to do with anything?

You would be much safer in your home if there was a camera in your living room hooked up to the police.

I'm trying to illustrate that (I hope...) you WOULDN'T want that, even though it makes you safer, because it would be an invasion of privacy... so there clearly is "a line" somewhere, where we say "I don't want that to happen even though it would make everyone safer".

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You would be much safer in your home if there was a camera in your living room hooked up to the police.

I'm trying to illustrate that (I hope...) you WOULDN'T want that, even though it makes you safer, because it would be an invasion of privacy... so there clearly is "a line" somewhere, where we say "I don't want that to happen even though it would make everyone safer".

The occupants of my house are not trying to cut lumps off each other so your analogy is shaky at best.

Maybe the police could just say, deal with it yourselves then. Because you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

[Withano]

Most domestic violence and household murders are committed by the middle aged. I wonder if they’ll all be okay with police showing up at their house at random times to check everything is okay. Any middle aged person in the thread, particularly those that are in favour of stop and search wanna lemme know?

Just wondering if that will cross some sort of privacy infringement or not.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Most domestic violence and household murders are committed by the middle aged. I wonder if they’ll all be okay with police showing up at their house at random times to check everything is okay. Any middle aged person in the thread, particularly those that are in favour of stop and search wanna lemme know?

Just wondering if that will cross some sort of privacy infringement or not.

That analogy makes no sense whatsoever given homes are private property

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

That analogy makes no sense whatsoever given homes are private property

To make the analogy work then; would you be OK with middle aged couples being stopped at random by officers saying "We just want to check that you're not beating your wife, we'll need to check her over. I know it's intrusive but a lot of people are abused and we can catch a lot of offenders this way... If you have nothing to hide you won't mind."

Its an extreme example but it is similar logic, surely? I mean... Doing that probably WOULD catch abusers and stop them.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To make the analogy work then; would you be OK with middle aged couples being stopped at random by officers saying "We just want to check that you're not beating your wife, we'll need to check her over. I know it's intrusive but a lot of people are abused and we can catch a lot of offenders this way... If you have nothing to hide you won't mind."

Its an extreme example but it is similar logic, surely? I mean... Doing that probably WOULD catch abusers and stop them.

I shouldn't laugh that's actually an excellent example. I was kind of leaning towards thinking it should be allowed but that's made me rethink it I have to say

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I shouldn't laugh that's actually an excellent example. I was kind of leaning towards thinking it should be allowed but that's made me rethink it I have to say

The Gardai do a lot of stops in Ireland to try and bring down deaths on the roads, do you have an issue with being stopped?