[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Sorry. I lost my cool bc of the pride thread. Shouldn't have taken it out on you.

No worries

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

.....child abuse, sexism, cruelty, the lot

So your kids didn’t get their first communion or confirmation?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Catholicism for me, the real McCoy. Sentimental reasons and aesthetics. Proper organ music, old churches full of art, saints, incence, vestments, the lot.

Me

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So your kids didn’t get their first communion or confirmation?

Yes they did and I really regret it, I didn't want them to be the odd ones out in school and have to make them sit out all the time that **** takes up in school, a lot of time. If I had my time over I would have done things a lot differently

[Niamh.]

I did actually have a conversation with Luke about it when he got to 6th class though and I told him I'd rather he didn't make his confirmation but it was up to him and he wanted to do.it for 2 reasons, 1 because he didn't want to be sitting alone in class doing work while the others did confirmation stuff and 2 money money money. So yeah take it out if STATE run schools and watch those numbers drop

[Livia]

If I had to pick a good bunch of Christians, I'm going with the Salvation Army. They do so much for others, especially homeless people. They really do seem to have the courage of their convictions.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I did actually have a conversation with Luke about it when he got to 6th class though and I told him I'd rather he didn't make his confirmation but it was up to him and he wanted to do.it for 2 reasons, 1 because he didn't want to be sitting alone in class doing work while the others did confirmation stuff and 2 money money money. So yeah take it out if STATE run schools and watch those numbers drop

So it was his choice, it’s the same for many kids, mine did their confirmation at 15 but they chose to do it, neither go to church now and thats fine, they didn’t attend a catholic secondary school either and that was their choice also, the idea that children who are baptised are forever indoctrinated is a false assumption usually perpetrated by non christians

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So it was his choice, it’s the same for many kids, mine did their confirmation at 15 but they chose to do it, neither go to church now and thats fine, they didn’t attend a catholic secondary school either and that was their choice also, the idea that children who are baptised are forever indoctrinated is a false assumption usually perpetrated by non christians

Yeah it was his choice but influenced heavily by the fact that everyone else in his class was doing it Atleast with the secondary schools here now, eventhough they're mostly Catholic ethos too they now have Religion as a factual based subject (along with the "normal" religion class) My daughter actually had to do a religion exam for her Junior Cert which i thought was strange but it was on a few religions not just Catholicism

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So it was his choice, it’s the same for many kids, mine did their confirmation at 15 but they chose to do it, neither go to church now and thats fine, they didn’t attend a catholic secondary school either and that was their choice also, the idea that children who are baptised are forever indoctrinated is a false assumption usually perpetrated by non christians

[Niamh.]

Well Christians are hardly going to be saying it are they?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So it was his choice, it’s the same for many kids, mine did their confirmation at 15 but they chose to do it, neither go to church now and thats fine, they didn’t attend a catholic secondary school either and that was their choice also, the idea that children who are baptised are forever indoctrinated is a false assumption usually perpetrated by non christians

Thankfully in the modern world, the availability of information means that (probably most at this point) are not "indoctrinated"... But that doesn't mean it isn't an attempt to do so? I certainly don't assume that children raised in a religion are forever doomed to stick with it; my dad was raised strictly Catholic and is non-religious, and my wife was also Catholic schooled from age 5 to 16 and has (more or less) the same religious stance as me.

[Maru]

Usually it's harder to keep someone involved church rather than the latter. Unless the church makes them accumulate a **** ton of debt to sell books or threaten to force their family members cut them off for the rest of eternity if they can't keep paying or won't sign a billion year contract to do hard labor for them... Just sayin'...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

If I had to pick a good bunch of Christians, I'm going with the Salvation Army. They do so much for others, especially homeless people. They really do seem to have the courage of their convictions.

I agree, Liv. They are 'Living' Christians - Deeds Not Just Words.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or Mormons is another who practice what they preach in respect of others.

I have had answered the door to Mormon 'Cold-Callers' numerous times over the years at various properties which I was renovating, and within minutes of chatting to them, once they learnt that I was refurbing, they have always genuinely volunteered to return in work clothes with other members of their church to give me' a hand'.

I have always declined these kind offers but it has stayed with me that - like the 'Sally Army - THIS is more in keeping with Christ's teachings than any 'hollow' words from a pulpit.

[bots]

I've always enjoyed Madonna's interpretation

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Thankfully in the modern world, the availability of information means that (probably most at this point) are not "indoctrinated"... But that doesn't mean it isn't an attempt to do so? I certainly don't assume that children raised in a religion are forever doomed to stick with it; my dad was raised strictly Catholic and is non-religious, and my wife was also Catholic schooled from age 5 to 16 and has (more or less) the same religious stance as me.

No it is not an attempt to do so at all lol, more often that not getting a child baptised is a family tradition and sending them to catholic school is down to the school doing well in league tables, but I would agree that Islam has an indoctrination element to it

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No it is not an attempt to do so at all lol, more often that not getting a child baptised is a family tradition and sending them to catholic school is down to the school doing well in league tables, but I would agree that Islam has an indoctrination element to it

Understatement of the millennium?

[Kizzy]

The Salvation army wouldn't have me because I'm not a Christian

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I agree, Liv. They are 'Living' Christians - Deeds Not Just Words.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or Mormons is another who practice what they preach in respect of others.

I have had answered the door to Mormon 'Cold-Callers' numerous times over the years at various properties which I was renovating, and within minutes of chatting to them, once they learnt that I was refurbing, they have always genuinely volunteered to return in work clothes with other members of their church to give me' a hand'.

I have always declined these kind offers but it has stayed with me that - like the 'Sally Army - THIS is more in keeping with Christ's teachings than any 'hollow' words from a pulpit.

But you're against indoctrination and or polygamy?... ok.

[armand.kay]

Well I was raised as a catholic gal

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

But you're against indoctrination and or polygamy?... ok.

What the hell are you referring to?

Because I may recognise and admire one or more qualities in an organisation it does not follow that I 'blind' myself to all its many faults - I am NOT a Labour supporter.

[Redway]

Bumpity-bump,

I did say at the time that I liked Catholic Churches just for the whole aesthetic surrounding it but that was the start and end of it. Beyond that and one or two other things I’m not a fan of what Catholics do in the church.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yep no one cares what stuff people believe but get it out of schools, politics and off Radio 2 and 4

This thread is weirdly relatable to stuff happening now, one thing defeated and replaced so quickly in my lifetime

[Niamh.]

People are idiots is what I'm learning in my life...

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

But you're against indoctrination and or polygamy?... ok.

Even if Kirk came out tomorrow morning now to say that he wasn’t, he’d still be talking in the way that you will not like.

Long time, Kizzy. Where are you?