[poppsywoppsy]

I think Sian had to find something to make her relevant as her showmance had just been kicked out of the door and her mate Brooke had just had a go at Lewis, telling lies about the conversation.

Also Cian was beefing about him as well for knocking back his attempt on Cameron.

Also, I notice there seems to be a pattern on here that those who support the most outrageous housemates in whatever atrocious behaviour they do.

When they are kicked out, they then support the next disliked and will defend them to the death, never acknowledge their faults and big up their dire acts.

It's like being a rebel just for the sake of it. It is noticeable that it is the same posters though, bless their little cotton socks.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I think Sian had to find something to make her relevant as her showmance had just been kicked out of the door and her mate Brooke had just had a go at Lewis, telling lies about the conversation.

Also Cian was beefing about him as well for knocking back his attempt on Cameron.

Also, I notice there seems to be a pattern on here that those who support the most outrageous housemates in whatever atrocious behaviour they do.

When they are kicked out, they then support the next disliked and will defend them to the death, never acknowledge their faults and big up their dire acts.

It's like being a rebel just for the sake of it. It is noticeable that it is the same posters though, bless their little cotton socks.

We are not here to discuss members Pops

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

We are not here to discuss members Pops

As there were several posts about this previous to mine, I wrote my take on it too.

Level playing field or just for some,

[Vicky.]

This forum would cease to exist if we never said anything bad about the housemates. I would say a good 80%+ of posts are negative about someone.

[Amy Jade]

He wasn't having a panick attack. Anyone who says he was has seriously never seen someone actually suffer from one. He was only gasping for air by the door but as soon as BB called him to the cockpit (which is a smaller room) he stopped immediately and went into a full on rant about how he deserved a better seat.

It was completely and utterly fake and anyone who buys it must be a cold callers wet dream.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

He wasn't having a panick attack. Anyone who says he was has seriously never seen someone actually suffer from one. He was only gasping for air by the door but as soon as BB called him to the cockpit (which is a smaller room) he stopped immediately and went into a full on rant about how he deserved a better seat.

It was completely and utterly fake and anyone who buys it must be a cold callers wet dream.

I have had several panic attacks which randomly hit and I thought the opposite to your comments.

How can anyone judge another's feelings through a TV screen and edited hi lights?

I thought initially that he looked really stressed, but it obviously had been dealt with by the time he went back to his seat the time span of which we were not told.

Not good to take everything at face value, we BB viewers know it is all smoke and mirrors.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

He wasn't having a panick attack. Anyone who says he was has seriously never seen someone actually suffer from one. He was only gasping for air by the door but as soon as BB called him to the cockpit (which is a smaller room) he stopped immediately and went into a full on rant about how he deserved a better seat.

It was completely and utterly fake and anyone who buys it must be a cold callers wet dream.

Exactly. The heavy breathing and such was put on as it stopped immediately. And was all over not getting a first class seat, rather than anxiety. He stropped as Akeem got the seat he thought he deserved. I would personally have picked him for first class given he had to deal with the baby, but they did not pick him, which he should have accepted...the tantrum over not getting his way was just ridiculous, and for people to claim he was actually anxious rather than pissed off..well...they see what they want to.

As I said earlier, as someone who suffers panic attacks, I found his faking anxiety to try and get his own way to be really really low.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Exactly. The heavy breathing and such was put on as it stopped immediately. And was all over not getting a first class seat, rather than anxiety. He stropped as Akeem got the seat he thought he deserved. I would personally have picked him for first class given he had to deal with the baby, but they did not pick him, which he should have accepted...the tantrum over not getting his way was just ridiculous, and for people to claim he was actually anxious rather than pissed off..well...they see what they want to.

As I said earlier, as someone who suffers panic attacks, I found his faking anxiety to try and get his own way to be really really low.

Do you not think they could have taken him to the cockpit for his usual way of winding down.

Is it really too hard to envisage? Was not his behaviour you describe all part of having an anxiety attack when he felt out of his depth? Its what people do and a couple of opinions on panic attacks do not cover the whole spectrum.

I think sometimes ardent dislike of a housemate can overwhelm any sense of giving them the benefit of the doubt or get the wrong end of the stick.

Lewis has faults but no where near as many as has been leveled at him by the same posters who dislike him. Their overworked dislike just reaches new levels.

He is the polls favourite, so the majority of viewers do not hold him in such contempt, neither are they fools not to see his so called never ending faults.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Do you not think they could have taken him to the cockpit for his usual way of winding down.

Is it really too hard to envisage? Was not his behaviour you describe all part of having an anxiety attack when he felt out of his depth? Its what people do and a couple of opinions on panic attacks do not cover the whole spectrum.

I think sometimes ardent dislike of a housemate can overwhelm any sense of giving them the benefit of the doubt or get the wrong end of the stick.

Lewis has faults but no where near as many as has been leveled at him by the same posters who dislike him. Their overworked dislike just reaches new levels.

He is the polls favourite, so the majority of viewers do not hold him in such contempt, neither are they fools not to see his so called never ending faults.

Given we can only comment on what BB actually show, as so many people keep saying, I don't really get why when it comes to Lewis, we have to imagine all kinds of things that could maybe, possibly have gone on off camera

Why is that?

Even if he was taken somewhere to calm down and they just edited it out...he was literally heavy breathing and such, over not getting a comfier seat with nicer meals! He was stropping over Akeem getting a privilege instead of him. Like, how this can be seen as a positive, I don't know

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Given we can only comment on what BB actually show, as so many people keep saying, I don't really get why when it comes to Lewis, we have to imagine all kinds of things that could maybe, possibly have gone on off camera

Why is that?

Even if he was taken somewhere to calm down and they just edited it out...he was literally heavy breathing and such, over not getting a comfier seat with nicer meals! He was stropping over Akeem getting a privilege instead of him. Like, how this can be seen as a positive, I don't know

Because you have said it was not possible that he calmed down, without allowing any other possibilities even knowing how highly edited BB is.

Are you then saying we have to believe it isn't and everything is as it is shown, which is patently not the case.

He was stropping over Akeem's seat, correct and winding himself up, you have seen him doing it many times before, then sit there over thinking before having his meltdown/attack. Then the thought of 7 hours sent him over the edge.

No one is saying it is positive, we are not bigging him up, he is his own worst enemy at times but I am saying, we don't know for certain and it has been just another stick for his detractors to beat him with.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Do you not think they could have taken him to the cockpit for his usual way of winding down.

Is it really too hard to envisage? Was not his behaviour you describe all part of having an anxiety attack when he felt out of his depth? Its what people do and a couple of opinions on panic attacks do not cover the whole spectrum.

I think sometimes ardent dislike of a housemate can overwhelm any sense of giving them the benefit of the doubt or get the wrong end of the stick.

Lewis has faults but no where near as many as has been leveled at him by the same posters who dislike him. Their overworked dislike just reaches new levels.

He is the polls favourite, so the majority of viewers do not hold him in such contempt, neither are they fools not to see his so called never ending faults.

Well said Poppsy...

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Exactly. The heavy breathing and such was put on as it stopped immediately. And was all over not getting a first class seat, rather than anxiety. He stropped as Akeem got the seat he thought he deserved. I would personally have picked him for first class given he had to deal with the baby, but they did not pick him, which he should have accepted...the tantrum over not getting his way was just ridiculous, and for people to claim he was actually anxious rather than pissed off..well...they see what they want to.

As I said earlier, as someone who suffers panic attacks, I found his faking anxiety to try and get his own way to be really really low.

I 100% agree. I haven't ever seen someones 'panic attack' subside like his did as soon as he got attention and although everyone reacts differently it was all too convenient to me. It was an act and nothing will change my opinion.

I honestly for the life of me can't understand how anyone can either but hey ho it is what it is!

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I 100% agree. I haven't ever seen someones 'panic attack' subside like his did as soon as he got attention and although everyone reacts differently it was all too convenient to me. It was an act and nothing will change my opinion.

I honestly for the life of me can't understand how anyone can either but hey ho it is what it is!

As you haven't seen the panic attack subside or know the timeline or what went on in the cockpit, it won't be too hard to understand when others ask that there could be a different view without resorting to name calling.

[Vanessa]

To me Lewis looked like he was panicking and getting worked up. We already know he suffers from anxiety, eo i don't think he's making this up.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

As you haven't seen the panic attack subside or know the timeline or what went on in the cockpit, it won't be too hard to understand when others ask that there could be a different view without resorting to name calling.

Sian was there though wasn't she and she agreed with me and nobody else seemed to feel the need to defend him even his 'little brother' Cameron.

They all knew it was a put on

[rusticgal]

When someone gets exasperated or flies off the handle as they come down from it they can react in many ways. Like Kenally cried after her outburst..some people just take deep breaths...I've done both. I neither suffer from anxiety attacks or panic attacks...and neither of these were mentioned apart from people on this forum.

Anyway think we've done this to death...I'm moving on.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

When someone gets exasperated or flies off the handle as they come down from it they can react in many ways. Like Kenally cried after her outburst..some people just take deep breaths...I've done both. I neither suffer from anxiety attacks or panic attacks...and neither of these were mentioned apart from people on this forum.

Anyway think we've done this to death...I'm moving on.

Well said

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I 100% agree. I haven't ever seen someones 'panic attack' subside like his did as soon as he got attention and although everyone reacts differently it was all too convenient to me. It was an act and nothing will change my opinion.

I honestly for the life of me can't understand how anyone can either but hey ho it is what it is!

The same people who are defending him were dragging Janice Dickinson's panic attack so Even though this one obviously appears disingenuous

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by reece(:

The same people who are defending him were dragging Janice Dickinson's panic attack so Even though this one obviously appears disingenuous

Musn't have fancied Janice?

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

He wasn't having a panick attack. Anyone who says he was has seriously never seen someone actually suffer from one. He was only gasping for air by the door but as soon as BB called him to the cockpit (which is a smaller room) he stopped immediately and went into a full on rant about how he deserved a better seat.

It was completely and utterly fake and anyone who buys it must be a cold callers wet dream.

Why do you have to slander and name call people who don't agree with you......

[user104658]

He didn't say he was having a panic attack, he said it was making his anxiety bad, and that can be completely invisible. Not only that but with Lewis F it isn't even invisible; he quite clearly suffers from anxiety.

Also anyone who has ever experienced that sort of generalised anxiety will know that the prospect of sitting for 5+ hours with nothing to do for distraction can be outright torture. I fully understand why he was saying "I can't do this". It's also why he said he would have been fine sat with Cameron, as being sat with a friend and able to have a laugh and a chat helps massively with anxiety.

Very little empathy from Sian, but not surprising as tbqfh I don't think she has the mental processing power required to feel anxious about anything.

Not much empathy on here either, which is a shame.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

He didn't say he was having a panic attack, he said it was making his anxiety bad, and that can be completely invisible. Not only that but with Lewis F it isn't even invisible; he quite clearly suffers from anxiety.

Also anyone who has ever experienced that sort of generalised anxiety will know that the prospect of sitting for 5+ hours with nothing to do for distraction can be outright torture. I fully understand why he was saying "I can't do this". It's also why he said he would have been fine sat with Cameron, as being sat with a friend and able to have a laugh and a chat helps massively with anxiety.

Very little empathy from Sian, but not surprising as tbqfh I don't think she has the mental processing power required to feel anxious about anything.

Not much empathy on here either, which is a shame.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

He didn't say he was having a panic attack, he said it was making his anxiety bad, and that can be completely invisible. Not only that but with Lewis F it isn't even invisible; he quite clearly suffers from anxiety.

Also anyone who has ever experienced that sort of generalised anxiety will know that the prospect of sitting for 5+ hours with nothing to do for distraction can be outright torture. I fully understand why he was saying "I can't do this". It's also why he said he would have been fine sat with Cameron, as being sat with a friend and able to have a laugh and a chat helps massively with anxiety.

Very little empathy from Sian, but not surprising as tbqfh I don't think she has the mental processing power required to feel anxious about anything.

Not much empathy on here either, which is a shame.

Well said TS....

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

He didn't say he was having a panic attack, he said it was making his anxiety bad, and that can be completely invisible. Not only that but with Lewis F it isn't even invisible; he quite clearly suffers from anxiety.

Also anyone who has ever experienced that sort of generalised anxiety will know that the prospect of sitting for 5+ hours with nothing to do for distraction can be outright torture. I fully understand why he was saying "I can't do this". It's also why he said he would have been fine sat with Cameron, as being sat with a friend and able to have a laugh and a chat helps massively with anxiety.

Very little empathy from Sian, but not surprising as tbqfh I don't think she has the mental processing power required to feel anxious about anything.

Not much empathy on here either, which is a shame.

...while I’m of similar thoughts with most of what you say, TS...I do completely understand any lack of empathy also and why some feel as they do...Lewis obviously does suffer anxiety issues but he also has very little self awareness...in that when Kay was experiencing anxiety..?...he told her she was unstable, he pushed and pushed her with very little empathy and compassion at all and queried why she would choose to come into the house with her ‘instabilities’...well doesn’t that equally apply to him then, she could get anxious and upset over a chicken sandwich, he could get anxious and upset in that long seating time etc..although really it applies to neither because neither could ever know the effects that specifics would have have on them and their anxieties and they both wanted this overall experience anyway...with Kenaley in the pool..?...he said her behaviour was oppressive ..he used that discriptive and yet the very same discriptive could be used of his own behaviour, surely as his anxieties will have an oppressing effect in that confined space...and when he was talking about Cameron coming out and having declared it to him personally..?...he very much was displaying self awareness there because it was something he wanted self acknowledgement for.....but the more negative stuff he just doesn’t see...which many people don’t see those things in themselves for sure...but he’s just so, so vocal and animated in pointing what he feels are negatives with others and judges so much for those negatives...so yeah, I can completely understand why the empathy isn’t there for someone who often hasn’t appeared to display empathy but has been very loud and proud to be pointing out what he feels is having a huge effect on the house...

[Cherie]

He said it himself, he kicked off over not getting the front seat, he felt he was more entitled to it than Akeem or Cameron, it was nothing to do with anxiety. If he was anxious why would he be less anxious sitting in front, it wasn't as if he couldn't get out of his seat and stretch his legs, I would be interested to know if he has ever flown for real for 7 hours, and if so does he have to be in first class