[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jigs

then explain why the case against them was dropped due to inconclusive evidence/DNA?

I refuse to believe the only reason they're still walking free is because they paid everyone out.

I get that's an easy conclusion to reach for you conspiracists but you're talking about the idea of me being insensitive to Maddie's potential loss of life whilst gladly contributing to the media firestorm that has ruined the rest of her families'~

LOTS of evidence to them being 100% guilty, but not the right sort of evidence YET

Im far from a Sun reader who have fallen for the 3 card trick !

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jigs

then explain why the case against them was dropped due to inconclusive evidence/DNA?

I refuse to believe the only reason they're still walking free is because they paid everyone out.

I get that's an easy conclusion to reach for you conspiracists but you're talking about the idea of me being insensitive to Maddie's potential loss of life whilst gladly contributing to the media firestorm that has ruined the rest of her families'~

That's not an answer to the post you quoted of mine. The Dogs indicated how they were trained to indicate, these particular dogs were very experienced and highly successful at what they've been trained to do so your suggestion that they were just randomly barking is bizarre

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jigs

because this case has been tainted by a plethora of pseudo-criminologists who come forth and spread falsities for their own personal notoriety/gain. People like to gain purpose by thinking they know exactly what they're talking about, judging by some of the users in this thread.......

Truth is, 99% of what we hear about Madeleine is hearsay and rumour. People read the Sun newspaper and watch a Maddie docuseries on Netflix and suddenly have all the evidence, it seems.

Chuff literally posted a link to the actual Police files, everything is in there. Goncalo Amarals book was allowed to go ahead by a court decision because the judge ruled that everything he claimed was true and already available for people to view in the Police files

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jigs

because this case has been tainted by a plethora of pseudo-criminologists who come forth and spread falsities for their own personal notoriety/gain. People like to gain purpose by thinking they know exactly what they're talking about, judging by some of the users in this thread.......

Truth is, 99% of what we hear about Madeleine is hearsay and rumour. People read the Sun newspaper and watch a Maddie docuseries on Netflix and suddenly have all the evidence, it seems.

Tea

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Chuff literally posted a link to the actual Police files, everything is in there. Goncalo Amarals book was allowed to go ahead by a court decision because the judge ruled that everything he claimed was true and already available for people to view in the Police files

Too much like hard work to look Niamh

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

LOTS of evidence to them being 100% guilty

Well, that's not technically true is it or they'd be in jail.

[Jigs]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Chuff literally posted a link to the actual Police files, everything is in there. Goncalo Amarals book was allowed to go ahead by a court decision because the judge ruled that everything he claimed was true and already available for people to view in the Police files

In that case, I think your issues need to be redirected to members of the World's police forces who have failed to act on this seemingly obvious case of murder, instead of people in this thread who disagree with your opinion.

The police have been following up leads/sightings for over a decade and she still hasn't been found. Considering the McCann parents have been at the epicenter of the entire series of investigative endeavors for the entirety of this period and still haven't been incriminated with concrete evidence surely goes to suggest that police forces across the globe have been sleeping on these leads. OR!!! PERHAPS!!! The McCann parents genuinely had no involvement in this abduction/murder whatsoever! Imagine!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

What baffles me is if the police have all this information,why have they not been hauled into a court and questioned under oath ?

There is evidence, but not enough to secure a guilty verdict. One things for sure, there is more pointing towards parental involvement than there is to a random stranger.

[Jigs]

tbh I'll go on record having said that I don't like Kate and Gerry as people. I think the way they've portrayed themselves since May 2007 hasn't been entirely endearing to say the very least. But if you really think they're the perpetrators in this crime then perhaps you should be approaching the Met police with all this concrete evidence you have instead of pasting public police reports on the forum to belittle those with different beliefs regarding the case :-)

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jigs

because this case has been tainted by a plethora of pseudo-criminologists who come forth and spread falsities for their own personal notoriety/gain. People like to gain purpose by thinking they know exactly what they're talking about, judging by some of the users in this thread.......

Truth is, 99% of what we hear about Madeleine is hearsay and rumour. People read the Sun newspaper and watch a Maddie docuseries on Netflix and suddenly have all the evidence, it seems.

I know another case just like that.

[Vicky.]

Er, the point of a forum is discussions. Do you think that whenever people disagree they should just..not say it?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Jigs

In that case, I think your issues need to be redirected to members of the World's police forces who have failed to act on this seemingly obvious case of murder, instead of people in this thread who disagree with your opinion.

The police have been following up leads/sightings for over a decade and she still hasn't been found. Considering the McCann parents have been at the epicenter of the entire series of investigative endeavors for the entirety of this period and still haven't been incriminated with concrete evidence surely goes to suggest that police forces across the globe have been sleeping on these leads. OR!!! PERHAPS!!! The McCann parents genuinely had no involvement in this abduction/murder whatsoever! Imagine!

Any comment on them going out and leaving 3 babies unattended so they could eat and drink with their friends? Leaving those babies so some person could come in and abduct her? I lean towards her being abducted more than killed BUT I hold the parents to serious account for facilitating that.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Er, the point of a forum is discussions. Do you think that whenever people disagree they should just..not say it?

Yep. Another thread on here turned into a "If you don't believe the party line, shut up, I want the thread to not be bothered with it!"

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Any comment on them going out and leaving 3 babies unattended so they could eat and drink with their friends? Leaving those babies so some person could come in and abduct her? I lean towards her being abducted more than killed BUT I hold the parents to serious account for facilitating that.

This.

No matter what happened to Maddie, they're responsible for it.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yep. Another thread on here turned into a "If you don't believe the party line, shut up, I want the thread to not be bothered with it!"

I find it seriously bizarre when people kick off about others posting a different opinion..seems to happen everywhere. Or say that if you think the opposite of the police, then speak to the police not on a thread about it! Argue, passionately, whatever, but moaning that people disagree with you?! Even if near all people in the discussion disagree..like, thats not being 'shouted down'..its just having a minority opinion. It happens. If people just didn't post whenever they disagreed, then the forum would die even quicker than it already is, and all forums would be obsolete.

FWIW, I think the exact same of the discussion in the MJ thread tbh, however I promised myself I wouldn't post in there except like..as a mod telling people go get back on topic. I won't post anything else as the whole threads annoying me too much I was annoyed with myself for 're-getting' into the conversation after saying I would leave it so nope, not going back there

[Jigs]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Er, the point of a forum is discussions. Do you think that whenever people disagree they should just..not say it?

That's not really my point but sure, go off

If members within this thread feel they hold the key to this investigation then they're telling the wrong people is my point

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jigs

That's not really my point but sure, go off

If members within this thread feel they hold the key to this investigation then they're telling the wrong people is my point

So what I said, no point talking about the topic if you disagree with the abduction theory and anything you have to say on the matter should be directed at the police. Which is..daft to say the least.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I find it seriously bizarre when people kick off about others posting a different opinion..seems to happen everywhere. Or say that if you think the opposite of the police, then speak to the police not on a thread about it! Argue, passionately, whatever, but moaning that people disagree with you?! Even if near all people in the discussion disagree..like, thats not being 'shouted down'..its just having a minority opinion. It happens. If people just didn't post whenever they disagreed, then the forum would die even quicker than it already is, and all forums would be obsolete.

FWIW, I think the exact same of the discussion in the MJ thread tbh, however I promised myself I wouldn't post in there except like..as a mod telling people go get back on topic. I won't post anything else as the whole threads annoying me too much I was annoyed with myself for 're-getting' into the conversation after saying I would leave it so nope, not going back there

Probably wise.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jigs

That's not really my point but sure, go off

If members within this thread feel they hold the key to this investigation then they're telling the wrong people is my point

It's a discussion.

It's like telling anyone who ever came to the forum for Big Brother they're in the wrong place, they need to go and give their opinions/theories to the housemates themselves.

Bizarre.

[Jigs]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I find it seriously bizarre when people kick off about others posting a different opinion..seems to happen everywhere. Or say that if you think the opposite of the police, then speak to the police not on a thread about it! Argue, passionately, whatever, but moaning that people disagree with you?! Even if near all people in the discussion disagree..like, thats not being 'shouted down'..its just having a minority opinion. It happens. If people just didn't post whenever they disagreed, then the forum would die even quicker than it already is, and all forums would be obsolete.

FWIW, I think the exact same of the discussion in the MJ thread tbh, however I promised myself I wouldn't post in there except like..as a mod telling people go get back on topic. I won't post anything else as the whole threads annoying me too much I was annoyed with myself for 're-getting' into the conversation after saying I would leave it so nope, not going back there

Direct yourself to the previous page where I was told I was making myself look silly because I chose to doubt the concreteness of the cadaver dogs pls!!!!

I don't have any qualms with people disbelieving the abduction theory, I just disagree that we should be using public police files to incriminate the McCann parents as definitive perpetrators when those police files are not only in existence but very easily accessible and they still haven't amounted to any conclusion. Like ok yes we realise that the cadaver dogs barked in Madeleine's room but this was 12 years ago and the discussion regarding this entire investigation is still so open-ended that it's crazy to me anyone would think that this one piece of information is all that we need to pay attention to.

[Vicky.]

Also my main theory is drugged and covered up.

But I think there is a lot to the theory of 'woke and wandered' and was met with an accident tbh. Which is why it struck me as so odd the whole 'they have taken her' thing. I thought one of my kids had disappeared from my house not long back and immediately I panicked that they had got out of the house. I did not, at any stage think they had been abducted from my house. It would surely be one of the LAST things you would think of...especially given how often kids do diddle off somewhere.

The panic I had in those 10 mins was unbelievable..til I saw the little **** hiding under her bed with a huge grin

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

What baffles me is if the police have all this information,why have they not been hauled into a court and questioned under oath ?

As I said in an earlier comment for some reason they are being protected, it started with Tony Blair after Gordon Brown asked him to intervene, then has been carried on since, THIS is the root of why they have never been charged with Maddies death ,and until the root reason has been uncovered the McCanns will continue to walk free

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jigs

Direct yourself to the previous page where I was told I was making myself look silly because I chose to doubt the concreteness of the cadaver dogs pls!!!!

I don't have any qualms with people disbelieving the abduction theory, I just disagree that we should be using public police files to incriminate the McCann parents as definitive perpetrators when those police files are not only in existence but very easily accessible and they still haven't amounted to any conclusion. Like ok yes we realise that the cadaver dogs barked in Madeleine's room but this was 12 years ago and the discussion regarding this entire investigation is still so open-ended that it's crazy to me anyone would think that this one piece of information is all that we need to pay attention to.

Nobody's suggested it's the only piece of information to pay attention to. They use it, coupled with everything else, to come to a very possible conclusion. That's literally the point.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jigs

In that case, I think your issues need to be redirected to members of the World's police forces who have failed to act on this seemingly obvious case of murder, instead of people in this thread who disagree with your opinion.

The police have been following up leads/sightings for over a decade and she still hasn't been found. Considering the McCann parents have been at the epicenter of the entire series of investigative endeavors for the entirety of this period and still haven't been incriminated with concrete evidence surely goes to suggest that police forces across the globe have been sleeping on these leads. OR!!! PERHAPS!!! The McCann parents genuinely had no involvement in this abduction/murder whatsoever! Imagine!

Oh I'm sorry for having an opinion on a topic in a Debate forum, how silly of me

Maybe they are innocent and maybe they're not but to say the fact that the PJ didn't have enough evidence to charge them means they're innocent is simply not correct.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jigs

Direct yourself to the previous page where I was told I was making myself look silly because I chose to doubt the concreteness of the cadaver dogs pls!!!!

Well, I think that was more the way it came across, than you thinking the dogs could be wrong